osian
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It is very, very clever. Can't wait to see it in person.
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News EPCOT's Harmonious to be replaced with new nighttime spectacular Luminous
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It is very, very clever. Can't wait to see it in person.
pigglewiggle
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I wonder if they would be able to do something with the lights too in the gardens. At least while a Spaceship Earth show isn't playing.
The real question is does Epcot want to deal with POE?????? We all know Epcot blew the 40th........
trainplane3
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If we're lucky, we'll get Luminous B then. The current version good enough but if they could drop the forced IP songs then we would have an amazing show. This hardware is truly perfect for Epcot. We're so close to the perfect show, it just needs management to know we don't need IP.
And just think, this is the show we got with budget cuts and a rushed timeline. I really do wonder what the original trick this show was going to have that was cut nearly a year ago because that middle barge is so good. I still miss the globe and think every Epcot show should have one but surprise of "sphere of pyro" out of nowhere was so great.
Fun fact: They ran the Epcot anniversary tag for Moonlight magic a few months after the 40th. Quite funny but extremely disappointing.
TheEPCOTHistorian
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I truly think SSE becoming the globe is the only homage they added last minute.
Everything else, like the hello from each country, seem to be remnants from previous unfinished or short lived IllumiNations shows pre-Harmonious.
Nobody has mentioned the absolute chills inducing moment when the narration says "voices echo back, in chorus" and the pavilions light up in call/response with the music.
osian
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There's another moment that I need to look back at to see if I'm interpreting it the right way and whether it's in the relevant segment, but there's a single firework which shortly after fires again but is joined by a second. Then two become three.... (or is this obvious, I'm slow and everybody else has already realised it??
TheEPCOTHistorian
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I'll watch for this tonight. I noticed they fire two comets towards each other during romance and then only a single one during loss when it says "we find we are alone". Lots of visual storytelling through pyro.
I LOVE the blackout in the finale when it says "...in the great Symphony of Us" and the torches come back on with the rest of the lights around the park for the final boom..
I know....
lightningtap347
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Even with the inclusion of IP (which, dare I say worked in this implementation), this is just an all around better show than the two preceding it.
Better pyro, more heart (literally and figuratively), more powerful, and felt like a definite fit in EPCOT. Harmonius had more interesting tech, but was overall a worse show lacking heart and understanding of the location it was in.
EPCOT still needs more. More content, more countries, less alcohol and the crowd that's attracted by that. But I personally feel the EPCOT is a better park today than it has been in my entire lifetime (I have never experienced golden age EPCOT, sorry).
Better pyro, more heart (literally and figuratively), more powerful, and felt like a definite fit in EPCOT. Harmonius had more interesting tech, but was overall a worse show lacking heart and understanding of the location it was in.
EPCOT still needs more. More content, more countries, less alcohol and the crowd that's attracted by that. But I personally feel the EPCOT is a better park today than it has been in my entire lifetime (I have never experienced golden age EPCOT, sorry).
WorldExplorer
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It's too bad that Brother Bear is clearly on the ignore pile because I think almost every song in its soundtrack would have been a good fit for this show somewhere (excluding Transformation and Great Spirits).
Put in a spoiler tag to make the post not too long:
Welcome:
"We've everything we need, the moon, the sun
Ooh, there is more than enough here for everyone
All we have, we share
And all of us, we care
...
There's a bond between us nobody can explain
It's a celebration of life and seeing friends again
I'll be there for you
I know you'd be there for me too"
On My Way:
"'Cause there's nothing like seeing each other again
No matter what the distance between
And the stories that we tell will make you smile
Oh it really lifts my heart"
Even No Way Out could have been good for "loss" and the subsequent rising back up part:
"There's no way out of this dark place
No hope, no future
I know I can't be free
But I can't see another way
I can't face another day
...
I can't believe the words I hear
It's like an answer to a prayer
When I look around I see
This place, this time, this friend of mine"
"We've everything we need, the moon, the sun
Ooh, there is more than enough here for everyone
All we have, we share
And all of us, we care
...
There's a bond between us nobody can explain
It's a celebration of life and seeing friends again
I'll be there for you
I know you'd be there for me too"
On My Way:
"'Cause there's nothing like seeing each other again
No matter what the distance between
And the stories that we tell will make you smile
Oh it really lifts my heart"
Even No Way Out could have been good for "loss" and the subsequent rising back up part:
"There's no way out of this dark place
No hope, no future
I know I can't be free
But I can't see another way
I can't face another day
...
I can't believe the words I hear
It's like an answer to a prayer
When I look around I see
This place, this time, this friend of mine"
TheEPCOTHistorian
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This show needed Dos Oruguitas somewhere. Even in the post show, which is:
-Beating of our Hearts
-One Heart
-Remember Me (Natalia Lafourcade)
-One Little Spark
Remember Me is great but it's already in the show, and more about legacy. Dos Oruguitas is a beautiful story of human connection and the emotions we share with one another. Huge missed opportunity.
-Beating of our Hearts
-One Heart
-Remember Me (Natalia Lafourcade)
-One Little Spark
Remember Me is great but it's already in the show, and more about legacy. Dos Oruguitas is a beautiful story of human connection and the emotions we share with one another. Huge missed opportunity.
brb1006
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You've never seen Toy Story 2!?
Noted #1 Disney expert in the world, Sean Nyberg, may or may not have said Luminous is the greatest show ever produced in the history of the world. I haven't watched it myself.
GhostHost1000
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Second to Kitetails tho right?
OSUPhantom
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How often someone posts has no weight on the merit of their points. Having a high post count does not make a point stronger or more valid.You have one post in 5+ years and this is your choice for a second post? You get this and only this:
Earlie the Pearlie
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He's a little busy raving about Hulu
Would you walk into a party for a University of Cincinnati graduate where you knew no one and loudly proclaim that his or her degree was worthless and the attendees were a bunch of losers?
OSUPhantom
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Just because someone doesn’t post of this forums regularly doesn’t mean they don’t know what they’re talking about or their opinion isn’t valid.
JediMasterMatt
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It's mostly because of Epcot's history (for those of us that are old enough to remember or those versed enough in the lore of it). EPCOT Center opened with no characters except those created for the park. Since then, it's been a continual creep in their integration. As much as all of us old timers may moan about it, the masses have always been questioning where Mickey and the princesses are. It's Epcot's version of best intentions gone awry. Much like how MK originally wasn't going to have PotC as the Imagineers had bigger/different aspirations in mind with the Western River Expedition and Thunder Mesa. Unfortunately, the guests voted by their complaints and Pirates in truncated form was the result.
As to why the nighttime spectacular at Epcot is a sore spot in particular, it's because up until 2019, the nights at Epcot were exempt from Walt Disney Studios intersecting with the kiss goodnight at a park that did (still?) skew more towards a refuge from the fantasy's offered up by the Studio. While we lost the character battle in the 80's, the nights until Illuminations sunset were the last bastion of a time and place now lost to history.
As much as you read the thoughts of people here (a forum that Disney Parks fans seek out to read and even fewer create accounts and even fewer post their thoughts), we are the minority. Much like in the halcyon days of cable TV, where there were 300 channels and still people would claim - "nothing is on", the vast majority want the reassuring familiarity of the "known" experience instead of embracing what is unique and different. They go to WDW and they want to tune in (or toon in?) to the Mickey and Princess channel everywhere they go. Those that want to go Disney Parks to experience something that ONLY exists at a Disney Park have to come to grips that these days that means that "unique" experience is most likely going to come with a heavy coating of Disney IP gravy all over the top of it.
Since I'm typing away, I'll share my thoughts on Luminous based on what I've seen online. I'll see it in person next month. It's a course correction from the errors of Harmonious that is for certain. It swings the pendulum back towards what was once and not what is; but, still obviously has the overall mandate of including IP. I appreciate the return of a show based on tone and mood established by color and music in lieu of projected images. I also appreciate the symphonic score for the most part (have issues with the Toys execution as it's too similar to other shows) as it lends itself to being more adult in nature. The use of pyro, lasers, and fountains are good for the most part; but, they unfortunately "show their hand" too early and don't leave enough in the bag for a climax. This is something that HEA absolutely nails with Tink's flight as it has never been better in any show at MK. Here, the perimeter/seawall execution works best as a surprise and using it so early spoils that; but, using it as part of the nation's introductions is a great effect. Sadly, they don't have as much impact later in the show and the finale in my opinion is lacking because of it. Harmonious had the boom arm launchers and heavy perimeters to rely on and even that wasn't as effective as Illuminations flurry of roman candles lighting up World Showcase. If something like the roman candle barrage could be added to the outer ring of the new rafts, it would certainly help... if not that, then maybe just throw us old timers a bone and play Tapestry, Promise, or We Go On at some point in the post show.
THEMEPARKPIONEER
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I think this show may have been roughly planned already on the drawing board and scraped well before harmonious and before we have ever known about it. I thought they would be lacking on fountains when I first saw the barges but they couldn’t have done them any better, having a giant fountain is beyond my wildest dreams and thought these kind of shows were a thing in the past. Blows my mind how clever that design was I thought only the grades from the past could make this kind of set up. To be honest, I think this is the show that they really wanted to do all along.