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Epcot New York

Vinny

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It will be so awesome to build a second Epcot theme park where the 1964-'65 World's Fair was in New York! Essentially this park can change the world through being an evolved and powered up version of the New York World's Fair and Epcot. If built up to the best Disney qualities, this very entertaining, futuristic science and culturally unifying themed park in the heart of New York will help inspire everyone into participating in creating a much better world!
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EOD K9

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Having grown up in NY, I hear what you are saying. How about instead a small visitor center with then and now pics, maybe some displays, and of course, a gift shop.
 

Goofyernmost

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The season is way to short to support something like that. A Worlds Fair is a different thing that a permanent constant thing that only has about 5 or 6 months to produce. It is kinda sad to see what is left. On my wall in my home office I have an overhead photo of Expo 67 in Montreal. I spent many enjoyable hours there. Today it is just a grouping of empty islands with a Casino salvaged from the France Pavilion, the skeletal remains of the US Pavilion and La Ronde the original amusement park part of the Fair. It is so depressing to remember what was compared to what is now.
 

Vinny

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It would be open all year-round. Imagine massive convertible tensile roofs created by telescoping large high-tech tent structures to transform out door areas of the park into indoor spaces for the winter months. A main theme of EPCOT New York would be about designing the future of our entire world, so an outdoor park than can transform into an indoor park is a perfect example of futuristic engineering. The roof and gigantic sliding doors of the AT&T stadium in Texas, is a great example of kinetic architecture. They transform that huge indoor arena, that has a capacity of over 105,000 people, into an outdoor arena. Another, even more important in this case, great engineering innovation, is the Denver International Airport's tensile membrane structured roof. That's a proven tent structure that has no problems with the great demands of Colorado's winters. The next step in engineering would be building that modern tent roof structure in a retractable fashion so it can open up and stow away during the Summer and warmer parts of the year.
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Goofyernmost

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It would be open all year. Imagine massive convertible roofs, retractable domes, and retractable tent structures for the winter months. The main theme of EPCOT New York would be about designing the future of our entire world, so an outdoor park than can transform into an indoor park is a perfect example of futuristic engineering. The roof and gigantic sliding doors of the AT&T stadium in Texas, is a great example of kinetic architecture. They transform that huge indoor arena, that has a capacity of over 105,000 people, into an outdoor arena. Another great innovation is the Denver International Airport's tensile membrane structured roof. That's a proven tent structure that has no problems with the demands of Colorado's winters. The next step in engineering would be building that modern tent roof structure in a convertible fashion so it can open up during the Summer and warmer parts of the year.
OK, well if you're going to dream you might as well dream big. I don't think it will possibly happen, but, of course, theoretically, it is possible. I once had a real estate guy advise me that if I cannot pay back $100K I might as well borrow a Million. I have nothing more to lose. :D
 

Vinny

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I believe it will be very profitable if it is built correctly. Every Disney Park is profitable because they are built so beautifully, and they not only incredibly entertain people, but they inspire people to want a much more perfect world. To build such a great place, has so much potential to enhance the culture of our society. A major goal of this park would be to reignite the national and global initiative, set forth in the 1964-65’ World’s Fair, to inspire and encourage new generations of scientists, doctors, and engineers.
 
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Minnie Mum

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It would be open all year. Imagine massive convertible roofs, retractable domes, and retractable tent structures for the winter months. The main theme of EPCOT New York would be about designing the future of our entire world, so an outdoor park than can transform into an indoor park is a perfect example of futuristic engineering. The roof and gigantic sliding doors of the AT&T stadium in Texas, is a great example of kinetic architecture. They transform that huge indoor arena, that has a capacity of over 105,000 people, into an outdoor arena. Another great innovation is the Denver International Airport's tensile membrane structured roof. That's a proven tent structure that has no problems with the demands of Colorado's winters. The next step in engineering would be building that modern tent roof structure in a convertible fashion so it can open up during the Summer and warmer parts of the year.
While you're at it, make sure that in addition to withstanding huge snow loads in winter, all of these gigantic structures are hurricane proof. Something Denver doesn't usually have to worry about.

The current Epcot has proven a failure in keeping Future World current and interesting. How do you expect them to change that in your dream park?

And then there's the big question. Who's going to pay for it? Building something the size of Epcot under roof, filling that space with attractions that will keep millions of people coming to it for decades, and then operating and maintaining it, while at the same time MAKING A PROFIT. Disney won't even keep the current Epcot up to date. You think they'd throw that kind of money into a New York Epcot?
 

Vinny

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It would be an investment in building a better tomorrow. This project has to potential to elevate visitor’s perspectives on the world: to having a strong admiration and appreciation for the community of science, world progress, and the potential of our world when we cooperate with peace throughout humanity and focus on building a better world. Not to mention, if built correctly, this project would revitalize a huge part of New York City with economic growth.
 

Minnie Mum

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It would be an investment in building a better tomorrow. This project has to potential to elevate visitor’s perspectives on the world: to having a strong admiration and appreciation for the community of science, world progress, and the potential of our world when we cooperate with peace throughout humanity and focus on building a better world. Not to mention, if built correctly, this project would revitalize a huge part of New York City with economic growth.
Sounds great. Very Utopian. Sounds like something you'd hear from a Miss World contestant.. Kind of reminds me of something.
" If I had one wish that I could wish this holiday season, it would be for all the children of the world to join hands and sing together in the spirit of harmony and peace. If I had two wishes...".

But I repeat, who would pay to build and run something like this?
 

EOD K9

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Sounds great. Very Utopian. Sounds like something you'd hear from a Miss World contestant.. Kind of reminds me of something.
" If I had one wish that I could wish this holiday season, it would be for all the children of the world to join hands and sing together in the spirit of harmony and peace. If I had two wishes...".

But I repeat, who would pay to build and run something like this?
 

DVC4bestvacations

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I have great memories of the 64-65 Worlds Fair. GM, GE, Chrysler, NCR, IBM, Timkin, Ford, had great displays there.

What was a draw in the 1960's won't be a draw today. What corporate America (or world) considers it's best way to promote business is much different the it was in 1964.

IMO: The new version of the "fair" will always be compared to the original. Cherish the memories you have from the fair. NYWF 2.0 would be destine to be disappointing.

FYI: The 64-65 NYWF lost a ton of money.
 

Phonedave

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lol. I believe it would be very profitable if it were built correctly. To build such a great place, has so much potential to enhance the culture of our society. A major goal of this park would be to reignite the national and global initiative, set forth in the 1964-65’ World’s Fair, to inspire and encourage new generations of scientists, doctors, and engineers.


Problem, inspiration does not pay the bills. TWDC is a for profit entity
 

Vinny

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Epcot New York will be incredibly profitable, so they would not have that problem. About profitability in today's world of Disney Parks: think of how many people who live in New York and visit Disney World every year. As long as this park distinguishes itself as something different from the other parks in WDW, it will be an additional Disney park visited by New Yorkers. It will not negatively affect attendance at WDW. The people at Disney know how to market a 40 square mile resort as being a completely more offering and much different vacation experience than a one day visit to a 1 square mile park. Most importantly think of all of the people in New York who can not afford a vacation to Florida, but these people's lives will be dramatically influenced in a positive way by spending a day at this educational and inspiring Disney entertainment theme park which focus's on the potential of our entire world when we value the right technologies and philosophies. And then there are the people who visit New York for tourism. That number is already astronomical and it is very probable that most of these people will also visit a new EPCOT theme park in the heart of New York, that delivers the newest tangible vision of the future of our entire world.
 
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fox_198

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That number is already astronomical and it is very probable most of them will also visit a new EPCOT Center in the heart of New York
You do realize that Flushing, Queens (where the fairground is located) is rather far from the heart of New York?
 

Vinny

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It would only be a 15 minute LIRR train ride from either Grand Central Terminal (the new eastside access project about to be completed) or Penn Station, to the Forest Hills Station which is right in front of the park.
 

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