EPCOT Nemo ride to get Fastpass

[disney fan 13]

Anyone want to put bets on the next FP attraction... I got money on monsters inc or the peoplemover...

 

[Thrill Seeker]

Wow...next thing you know, they'll be putting Fastpass on Imagination and SSE, too...

:lookaroun



Edit: Yep, that was a hint.

There is also a rumor about GMR getting it too... I really hope not...

 

[MickeyPeace]

You misread the article.
The Nemo attraction itself is going to be a FPass line for Soarin.

 

[btuftee]

Nemo makes sense... and it'll be totally irrelevant for SSE and Imagination. I can't remember the last time I went on SSE with a wait, you just come back later in the evening. These are attractions that won't be affected negatively at all. In fact, it might make it marginally easier to hit SSE in the late mornings.

 

[redshoesrock]

At DAK, they started running it daily on Primeval Whirl which they should have. The only issue here is that they should be more consistent with Kali River Rapids - they seem to schedule it before hand without looking at a weather map. I see FP running when the attraction has 5 minute waits, and then not running when it has 60 minute waits.

FP is scheduled by what the attendance projection is for that day. For example, if MK's projected attendance for the day was under 32,000 - Stitch's FP machines were not turned on. (FYI, the rest of Tomorrowland - less than 21,000 Buzz FP is turned off, less than 19,000 Space Mountain is turned off). My guess is that attendance projection was high enough to warrant keeping Kali River Rapids FP open despite the low wait.

 

[SobchakSecurity]

not saying i like the fastpass idea, but your facts are dead wrong.. Nemo routinely (see busy days) hits 30-40 minute waits.. and the waits after opening were as long as 90 mins.. I was there for AP previews and there opening week...

Anyone remember the lines for the Living Seas in 1986? Stretched practically to Journey into Imagination.

So it's getting Fastpass. I always picture it as Disney trying to fool some guests. "Hey, look, this ride has Fastpass, so it must be completely awesome!"

Do they ever get complaints from people who mistakenly waste their Fastpass for a garbage attraction?

 

[Tom]

The more fastpass attractions, the merrier...at least in my book. The more FP's people get for minor attractions, the more that are still available for E-tickets.

 

[Gregoryp73]

That is quite honestly a stupid decision. Nemo is a ride that doesn't need fastpass.

I have a feeling that these things are going to spend more time with canvas covers over them than they will in action. They will only see action on heavy days. It's most likely inexpensive option for crowd control when they need it. Plus if Test track goes down for refurb, they may see a spike in wait times.

I really wish it was because these pavillions where getting much needed love.

Hey Lee, did they mention anything about UOE getting FP? :hammer:

 

[WDW1974]

Sounds like my dream of having FPs for restrooms might not be far behind.

TDO already has some weasel in a cubicle working up a business model for that.

Seriously, though, I can't believe they'd consider FP for Imagination. What's the point?

Don't think it's going there (at least now), but it is headed for Seas and SSE. And the point is really NEXT GEN and planning trips down to the second and datamining ... and, yeah, you already knew that.

~You may have too big an if you can't fit in a typical airline lavatory~

 

[WDW1974]

I mentioned this in another thread, but in talking with Jim Hill last night it basically came down to the fact that Epcot has 2 attractions that require Fastpass on a daily basis, and a couple that need it occasionally (Maelstrom and Mission: SPACE) if you don't want to wait 30 minutes.

I don't believe an attraction exists at WDW where FP is a must. WDW Co has conditioned guests into it as a selling point. EPCOT is likely the park where it is needed least. Maelstrom and Mission Space are non-starters with me as they barely ever have lines legit longer than 30-40 minutes, which I also think is a poor barometer for 'needing' FP. It is reasonable to actually wait to get on/into an attraction at a popular theme park on a busy day.

TT and Soarin certainly have the type of waits that FP lovers can use to justify its existence, but they don't seem to know how to efficiently load the attractions (not having a singles line for Soarin, unlike DCA is just part of the poor ops).

And when you have a day where EPCOT is basically not crowded and the only waits are for those two attractions and they are in the 30-60 minute range, one Spirit can't help but wonder what would happen if you just shut the system down and let things work naturally. My guess (and experiences) say waits all day would go down to more manageble times likely 20-30 minutes tops all day. Won't ever happen, but still.

This is linked to xPass and is to create false value for guests. The good thing about adding more Fastpass attractions is that it will help with return times on some attractions, but I expect it to be minimal.

Yes, Hill is right on that. ... But FP as a whole creates false value for guests. It can work to some degree. And I have benefitted from it. But it wouldn't be needed if everyone in EPCOT didn't 'have' top ride Soarin at 1 p.m. It's all a shell game to mask capacity issues at parks where so much capacity has been eliminated.

High capacity attractions like Spaceship Earth, Imagination, and The Seas with Nemo and Friends can definitely get use out of Fastpass, but only on about 10% of the days. I think that the Epcot Character Spot is probably the one thing in Epcot that needs it the most.

Never. It's just not needed simply because it's very busy Christmas and Easter weeks and July 4th. Those attractions are people-eaters and FP will simply create longer lines for all of us.

In MK, The Haunted Mansion, Pirates of the Caribbean and it's a small world could also use Fastpass on 10% of the days. The same is true of Stitch's Great Escape which should be mentioned only because they haven't been turned on in quite some time. The attraction that I feel should add it on a permanent basis is Tomorrowland Speedway (although I'd just assume tear it down as well).

See above. You absolutely don't need FP. The genius of design on those 1960s era attractions was how well they moved people ... compare the hourly numbers against anything WDW has opened in the 21st century. Look at the truly laughable waits for a ride you can play at home at TPFKaTD-MGMS. And then add FP to the mix. What a mess.

~Wedge salad~

 

[Kobe!!]

Since when does this ride need Fastpass? First of all, it's an Omnimover. Second, that thing NEVER has a wait. Ever. Never ever. Even when it opened the longest it got was MAYBE 30 minutes.

Did they learn nothing from the debacle that was Haunted Mansion's FP system?

So does it have a wait or not? Sounds like it does..

 

[uklad79]

Won't every attraction get a fast pass system ready for when they bring the pre-bookable fastpass system as part of the next gen project? Surely they are just starting to bring them in now so people get used to it before they set the whole thing live?

 

[PirateFrank]

Anyone that believes fast pass doesn't negatively affect the standby waits of the ride it's installed on and the fp/standby waits of other rides in the same park, doesn't have a true understanding of what exactly fast pass is.

FP is arguably the worst thing to happen to these parks, especially the MK and to a lesser extent, Epcot. Spirit had a perfect point a few posts up. These attractions were brilliantly designed as they originally stood...and they formed a symbiotic relationship with other attractions within the park. When one was taken down/removed or refurbed into an abortion or meet&greet....it upset the balance of the other rides. As the park attendance increased over the years, the *proper* solution was to increase capacity over time.

Instead, TDO's solution? To band-aid the whole thing with redistributing capacity, vis-a-vis Fast Pass. The problem still exists....people just feel their getting a great value out of FP without realize that they're getting hosed elsewhere in the park.

 

[Choodles]

Omnimovers shouldn't have FP.

 

[raven]

Nobody listens to the actual insiders on here...

Obviously they do though. The person who wrote that on that website read my post and published their own thoughts on it.

 

[Pioneer Hall]

Please read the context of the message you complain about before you decide that the moderators aren't doing their jobs properly. If you have an issue please feel free to PM me or any of the others.

 

[Brian Noble]

This ... is to create false value for guests.

This was my suspicion as well. It "looks bad" if you don't have "enough" FP-enabled attractions, no matter how few actually need it.

That said, I have personally seen Nemo with an out-the-building line. Not even on a major holiday. Just a random early-March/Spring Break-season day...when Test Track was down.

So, it might make a certain amount of sense when TT is out of the mix for the summer months.

 

[disneyeater]

Can they create a FP for Nemo that gets me to the ride quicker. Even if there is no line it takes 20 minutes to walk through that queue.

 

[captainkidd]

Can they create a FP for Nemo that gets me to the ride quicker. Even if there is no line it takes 20 minutes to walk through that queue.

The queue is the best part of that attraction.

Of all the changes they've made to Future World, the Living Seas is my least favorite. It wasn't a stellar attraction to begin with, but it was an experience. Now, it's just a silly ride based on a movie I never liked.

 

[RSoxNo1]

FP is scheduled by what the attendance projection is for that day. For example, if MK's projected attendance for the day was under 32,000 - Stitch's FP machines were not turned on. (FYI, the rest of Tomorrowland - less than 21,000 Buzz FP is turned off, less than 19,000 Space Mountain is turned off). My guess is that attendance projection was high enough to warrant keeping Kali River Rapids FP open despite the low wait.

Good to know. However with Kali, park attendance should not be the determining factor - the weather in conjunction with park attendance should be.

I don't believe an attraction exists at WDW where FP is a must. WDW Co has conditioned guests into it as a selling point. EPCOT is likely the park where it is needed least. Maelstrom and Mission Space are non-starters with me as they barely ever have lines legit longer than 30-40 minutes, which I also think is a poor barometer for 'needing' FP. It is reasonable to actually wait to get on/into an attraction at a popular theme park on a busy day.

TT and Soarin certainly have the type of waits that FP lovers can use to justify its existence, but they don't seem to know how to efficiently load the attractions (not having a singles line for Soarin, unlike DCA is just part of the poor ops).

And when you have a day where EPCOT is basically not crowded and the only waits are for those two attractions and they are in the 30-60 minute range, one Spirit can't help but wonder what would happen if you just shut the system down and let things work naturally. My guess (and experiences) say waits all day would go down to more manageble times likely 20-30 minutes tops all day. Won't ever happen, but still.

Yes, Hill is right on that. ... But FP as a whole creates false value for guests. It can work to some degree. And I have benefitted from it. But it wouldn't be needed if everyone in EPCOT didn't 'have' top ride Soarin at 1 p.m. It's all a shell game to mask capacity issues at parks where so much capacity has been eliminated.

Capacity has been eliminated at Epcot but has it really been a problem there? I hate to see beloved attractions close instead of refreshed, but capacity has never been an issue at that park. Everything in that park initially was wildly effecient.

Capacity isn't an issue with that park or the majority of it's attractions, the issue is that the high capacity attractions aren't compelling enough to generate waits that dictate their capacity. Mission: SPACE is a perfect example. It's a very effecient ride, but it doesn't need to be as effecient as it is. Crowds could be better distributed if you could hypothetically exchange one Mission: SPACE spinner for another Projector/Rig in Soarin'.

You could keep the capacity the same in The Imagination Pavilion with a new more compelling 3d show and ride with the exact same capacity and then suddenly the capacity of that pavilion becomes an issue. But until the demand to see the attractions in the pavilion increases, the capacity is a non-issue.

Never. It's just not needed simply because it's very busy Christmas and Easter weeks and July 4th. Those attractions are people-eaters and FP will Simply create longer lines for all of us.

See above. You absolutely don't need FP. The genius of design on those 1960s era attractions was how well they moved people ... compare the hourly numbers against anything WDW has opened in the 21st century. Look at the truly laughable waits for a ride you can play at home at TPFKaTD-MGMS. And then add FP to the mix. What a mess.

~Wedge salad~

Of course you don't need fastpass for anything, but given it's current usage, I'm making the argument that it can also be used on other attractions such as the ones I mentioned.

Omnimovers shouldn't have FP.

Ride system is more or less irrelevant, capacity is the issue. Most omnimovers can keep up with demand on the majority of days and therefore don't need Fastpass.