EPCOT Nemo ride to get Fastpass

[TyrantBoss]

It's an interesting debate, but I think the simple fact is, people that don't like Fastpass, simply don't know how to use it correctly. If you know how to use it, it's awesome.

I agree captainkidd. Fastpass is great as long as you take a strategic approach to it.

But I wonder why even have a Fastpass for Nemo. The ride really leaves something to be desired. They need to amp it up a LOT.

Personally I would love to ride on little Mr. Rays as he takes us on a tour through the Nemo story and under the sea teaching us about marine life. I think there should be an area where the ride takes you into a tunnel that winds through the actually marine life tank. And then if the imagineers could find a way to project some of the Nemo characters on the glass that would be amazing.

Imagine, the animated Nemo characters swimming among real marine life in the giant tank (or seeming to) and Mr. Ray teaching us about the marine life and the Nemo characters helping out by interweaving it into the story.

I think Disney missed the educational and imagination potential on this one.

 

[Brian Noble]

fast past decreases park capacity.

Huh?

An attraction handles the number of people it handles. FP neither increases nor decreases that number. It does *redistribute* access to the attraction's capacity in a way different than first-come-first-served, but that's not a *reduction* in capacity.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Huh?

An attraction handles the number of people it handles. FP neither increases nor decreases that number. It does *redistribute* access to the attraction's capacity in a way different than first-come-first-served, but that's not a *reduction* in capacity.

I assume what was meant by, "fastpass decreases park capacity" is because it allows a guest to be two places at once. Essentially reserving a spot in one line while waiting in another. With that logic (which is 100% correct), it does decrease park capacity.

 

[marni1971]

It is a proven fact that since FP was introduced people spend less time in lines and riding, and more time filling the streets and paths.

Or spending more money in the stores, which was a primary aim of the project in the late 90s.

 

[the-reason14]

It's an interesting debate, but I think the simple fact is, people that don't like Fastpass, simply don't know how to use it correctly. If you know how to use it, it's awesome.

I don't think it's a matter of some people not 'liking' it, they just feel it defeats the purpose with what Disney originally intended. The beautifully detailed lines for one, and how it screws up the regular line.

But speaking from my own perspective, fastpasses are heaven sent. And if you 'want' to wait in line, then there are certain times to do it when you don't have to worry about fastpasses screwing it up. Other wise :shrug:

 

[thelookingglass]

It's an interesting debate, but I think the simple fact is, people that don't like Fastpass, simply don't know how to use it correctly. If you know how to use it, it's awesome.

Hahaha. "Well everyone who is bringing up valid points as to why the Fastpass system is flawed is obviously a moron who can't figure out a simple system."

 

[disneyeater]

jeez, if that's a capital offense, i wonder what they want to do to me when there are six people in line all on the same side of the cashier at a counter service restaurant and i go to the empty side and get waited on before them? :drevil:

:roflol:

 

[the-reason14]

Hahaha. "Well everyone who is bringing up valid points as to why the Fastpass system is flawed is obviously a moron who can't figure out a simple system."

I'll agree that is flawed, but you only really notice it while standing in the regular line or when the ride breaks down. I'm sure it's not 'fun' for the CMs, but I'm not a CM.

 

[Bolna]

I assume what was meant by, "fastpass decreases park capacity" is because it allows a guest to be two places at once. Essentially reserving a spot in one line while waiting in another. With that logic (which is 100% correct), it does decrease park capacity.

But it also ties up another guest for much longer in the stand-by line than that guest would wait in it if there were no fast passes available. So maybe it is just leading to a more unequal distribution of time spent waiting in line.

 

[Brian Noble]

I assume what was meant by, "fastpass decreases park capacity" is because it allows a guest to be two places at once.

But that's a question of distribution, not one of attraction capacity.

But, Martin was not referring to attraction capacity, but "park capacity": i.e. how many people can fit in the park at any one time. In addition to being lines for waiting, queues are also very efficient ways of storing people in the park. If the queues are not full, you can store fewer people in the park than if they are full.

But, this only matters on the handful of days each year that a park has to reach a phased closure. And, on those days, the queues are full, even with FP in operation. So, I'm still not convinced that this is a problem in practice.

Or spending more money in the stores, which was a primary aim of the project in the late 90s.

In retrospect, the evidence seems to suggest that this did not happen. There was no obvious spike in per-capita/in-park spending reported in the annual reports around the time of FP deployment. Every other operator that experimented with free virtual queueing has since abandoned it---presumably because the return on investment of having everyone use it was poor. Those two facts taken together suggest to me that the "guests spend more" theory doesn't hold water.

 

[Princess_Minnie]

Hey, don't complain! Maybe if Nemo gets fastpasses newbies will waste some time and tickets on those instead of Soarin and Test Track and leave more for the rest of us...

 

[RSoxNo1]

But it also ties up another guest for much longer in the stand-by line than that guest would wait in it if there were no fast passes available. So maybe it is just leading to a more unequal distribution of time spent waiting in line.

This is a fair point, but ultimately Fastpass is at the point where people are using it, just not using it efficiently.

I suppose if Fastpass is coming to a bunch of attractions I need to update my signature.

 

[Tom]

This is a fair point, but ultimately Fastpass is at the point where people are using it, just not using it efficiently.

I suppose if Fastpass is coming to a bunch of attractions I need to update my signature.

You're going to have to start using attraction abbreviations

 

[WondersOfLife]

Maybe if they put a 30 dollar charge on the fastpass system like Universal did, the standby wait wouldn't take as long..

One time I went to peter pan and there was only 2 ppl in line for standby and about 40 ppl in the fastpass line. the ppl in line for standby wait 45 minutes while the fastpass line continues with no wait.

I personally think the Fastpass thing is stupid.. but at the same time I think it's the best thing ever because I don't have to wait in a 1 hour line for a 2 minute right which is ridiculous even if it's Disney! :hammer:

-WondersOfLife


The last original pavilion. :king:

 

[Tom]

Maybe if they put a 30 dollar charge on the fastpass system like Universal did, the standby wait wouldn't take as long.

But then Disney couldn't market against Universal and brag that their system is free, while Universal's costs an arm and a leg.

One time I went to peter pan and there was only 2 ppl in line for standby and about 40 ppl in the fastpass line. the ppl in line for standby wait 45 minutes while the fastpass line continues with no wait.

This is a result of them not enforcing the return time.

 

[Cosmic Commando]

But then Disney couldn't market against Universal and brag that their system is free, while Universal's costs an arm and a leg.



This is a result of them not enforcing the return time.

By the time Disney actually has to publicly market against Uni instead of just pretending they're not there, they've already lost.

 

[Tom]

By the time Disney actually has to publicly market against Uni instead of just pretending they're not there, they've already lost.

Yes, but it's always good to have aces up your sleeve. When in a Disney vs Uni argument, and the topic of Fastpass comes up, there's one more point added to Disney's score card for it being free.