EPCOT Entertainment cuts

[Pumbas Nakasak]

'Then stop paying to visit... That's the only way to express your distaste with how the company is running things..

These aren't entertainment cuts.. This entire change revolves around 18 months of guest satisfaction survey's.. Shows come and go.

While I generally couldn't give two s about the change of entertainment, I do so enjoy the child like fan boy response of "dont go then", it seems to be the standard default position when their corporation of choice is questioned. And FYI I havent been.

As for the survey point, Disney like most corporate monsters know exactly how to create a survey to deliver the answer they want to hear. 8 out of 10 cats prefer prawn balls.

 

[asianway]

While I generally couldn't give two ****s about the change of entertainment, I do so enjoy the child like fan boy response of "dont go then", it seems to be the standard default position when their corporation of choice is questioned. And FYI I havent been.

As for the survey point, Disney like most corporate monsters know exactly how to create a survey to deliver the answer they want to hear. 8 out of 10 cats prefer prawn balls.

Hokie has coined the term Knights of Cinderellas Table. I like it

 

[note2001]

That is correct! Miyuki left the company on her own accord. Awhile back she was told she could no longer give out the creations she made because of food safety. I can imagine it was very depressing for her, not being able to share the art she was so passionate about.

So in other words, an insurance issue essentially stopped an amazing artist from sharing her talent? I don't blame her for leaving.

(edited to improve grammar)

 

[Tigger1988]

So in other words, an insurance issue essentially stopped an amazing artist ever from sharing her talent. I don't blame her for leaving.

Word was she was of failing health and that led to her departure, but I guess making up stories is more fun.

 

[DisUniversal]

A) Awhile back she was told she could no longer give out the creations she made because of food safety. I can imagine it was very depressing for her, not being able to share the art she was so passionate about.

B) Word was she was of failing health and that led to her departure

but I guess making up stories is more fun.

Perhaps, but which story is made up? A or B?

 

[Fractal514]

Well, if one really doesn't understand what the term iconic means and how to apply it objectively, one might try looking it up in the dictionary...

This is not a question of personal preferences nor necessarily even one of popularity. It does appear to have an awful lot to do with the almighty dollar, however, despite repeated and baseless attempts to suggest otherwise.

From Dictionary.com
Iconic
adjective
1.of, pertaining to, or characteristic of an icon.
2.Art. (of statues, portraits, etc.) executed according to a convention or tradition.

Now please tell me how Off-Kilter better suits this adjective than the other acts in World Showcase. I'm not debating with you what an Icon is, I'm asking how do you determine the level of iconic-ness when comparing two things. Rather than dismissing me out of habit, why not engage and give me your method for doing so.

 

[Tigger1988]

Perhaps, but which story is made up? A or B?

Why does only one of the above have to be true?

I was referring to the tale note2001 weaved from NMBC's information.

 

[note2001]

Why does only one of the above have to be true?

I was referring to the tale note2001 weaved from NMBC's information.

It was a question deduced from his comment. I fixed the punctuation as you could not hear my voice raised at the end of the line.

 

[WDW1974]

I'll repeat this again since I have gotten absolute confirmation from someone who would know, and then allow y'all to debate this right on thru Veteran's Day weekend, that these moves were all from very high up and all budget/cost related due to NGE's HUGE over runs.

Again, you can debate all you desire as to the value of these entertainers and whether changes should be made frequently to that lineup, but let's not debate the 'whys' ...

They are the same whys all of these upcharge events and 'VIP' experiences have -- and will continue to -- been added.

Like I've said multiple times here ... NGE would have resulted in heads rolling at the highest levels of any other company, but not Disney. ... Just scapegoat Nick Franklin ... the rest remain safe and secure.

 

[Nemo14]

I'll repeat this again since I have gotten absolute confirmation from someone who would know, and then allow y'all to debate this right on thru Veteran's Day weekend, that these moves were all from very high up and all budget/cost related due to NGE's HUGE over runs.

Again, you can debate all you desire as to the value of these entertainers and whether changes should be made frequently to that lineup, but let's not debate the 'whys' ...

They are the same whys all of these upcharge events and 'VIP' experiences have -- and will continue to -- been added.

Like I've said multiple times here ... NGE would have resulted in heads rolling at the highest levels of any other company, but not Disney. ... Just scapegoat Nick Franklin ... the rest remain safe and secure.

Yo don't like lumberjacks?

 

[WDW1974]

Yo don't like lumberjacks?

Nah, my fanbois generally don't look good in flannel!

 

[DisUniversal]

I'll repeat this again since I have gotten absolute confirmation from someone who would know, and then allow y'all to debate this right on thru Veteran's Day weekend, that these moves were all from very high up and all budget/cost related due to NGE's HUGE over runs.

Again, you can debate all you desire as to the value of these entertainers and whether changes should be made frequently to that lineup, but let's not debate the 'whys' ...

They are the same whys all of these upcharge events and 'VIP' experiences have -- and will continue to -- been added.

Like I've said multiple times here ... NGE would have resulted in heads rolling at the highest levels of any other company, but not Disney. ... Just scapegoat Nick Franklin ... the rest remain safe and secure.

So, incompetent executives are safe...meanwhile the customers get inferior entertainment options, attractions that continue to be in disrepair, a lack of anything new an innovative and endless opportunities to spend more money for the same old crap.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Exactly. They aren't being paid Equity rates, or a receiving a WDW benefits package. I imagine they are easier to "handle" as well--e.g. no grievance procedure, no seniority rules.

We're all trying to get those details. its unknown but based on what others have said, its a lesser amount.

If this is the case it would be highly unusual as well as a major failing of the union. The equity performers should be livid. The way unions get screwed in right to work states is that all employees benefit from the collective bargaining but do not have to join and pay the dues that support the crafting of such agreements. It seems more likely that regardless of membership the savings are derived from the new employees being at the lower, entry level pay scale. Similar recastings have occurring in California, where the Disneyland Resort is a truly closed shop and there is no "right to work."

 

[kverdon]

We are pretty bummed as we love both Off Kilter and MoRockin'. Though Off Kilter has just not been the same the last 2 years because both time we went, the performances were without Piper Jamie :-( . The fife and drum corps are also so iconic to the American spirit.

The only thing mentioned here I'm inclined to give TDO a pass on is Miyuki and her being able to give out her candy. That may have been a regulatory thing (USDA?) as we've seen that happen other places as well. On our last cruise we attended at cooking demonstration by a celebrity chef. We were not allowed to taste any of the food she prepared, just samples prepared by the ship's kitchens. We also attended at cooking class with the same chef and we were not allowed to same any of the food *WE* prepared and cooked ourselves :-( .

We are inclined to agree that we have seen a steady decline in the quality and quantity of live entertainment in th World Showcase over the recent years but if these new acts are not up to what they are replacing then that decline just took a steep dive off a cliff!!

thanks,

Kevin and Mona

 

[FigmentFreak]

That is correct! Miyuki left the company on her own accord. Awhile back she was told she could no longer give out the creations she made because of food safety. I can imagine it was very depressing for her, not being able to share the art she was so passionate about.

And no replacement of any kind when she left that I'm aware of.

 

[DisUniversal]

And no replacement of any kind when she left that I'm aware of.

Doesn't matter. When you have these, who needs anything else.

 

[NMBC1993]

Word was she was of failing health and that led to her departure, but I guess making up stories is more fun.

So in other words, an insurance issue essentially stopped an amazing artist from sharing her talent? I don't blame her for leaving.

(edited to improve grammar)

I could be wrong, I'm not 100% certain myself, it was just something I read on these forums. Someone mentioned that for some time now, they were not allowing Miyuki to hand out the candy art she created for the guests. It had to do with food safety and guests knowing what the ingredients were I believe? Again, I could be wrong or possibly it might have been both. Never the less, she did leave by her own choosing.

 

[NewfieFan]

I could be wrong, I'm not 100% certain myself, it was just something I read on these forums. Someone mentioned that for some time now, they were not allowing Miyuki to hand out the candy art she created for the guests. It had to do with food safety and guests knowing what the ingredients were I believe? Again, I could be wrong or possibly it might have been both. Never the less, she did leave by her own choosing.

I heard she left on her own but I doubt it had anything to do with the fact she couldn't hand out her creations anymore. Her show stayed the same, volunteers were still asked for animal suggestions, and guests were still allowed to hold the creations and get a picture with Miyuki (if they wanted). The only thing that changed was she took the creations off stage with her (garbage I assume). Plus, she continued doing what she was doing long after the "don't give away the candy" rule came to be.

*Edit to add - I really liked her show! No matter how many times I saw it, it still amazed me. Plus, every now and then you would see her do a unique animal.

 

[MichWolv]

Clearly I was talking attractions. And I'll concede VoL, I'd be equally if not more upset if they were cut. But in terms of crowds and threads on Disney sites ... you really thing Taiko drummers, Chinese acrobats and the train garden are on a par with Off Kilter?

No need for me to continue, I think foamer logic speaks for itself.

You said iconic, not crowd-gathering, thread-generating, or foam inducing.

In any event, I do understand foamers are not expected to be logical. I had never put you in that group, however. Thanks for self-identifying, I guess.

On a more serious note, I actually agree with you that losing Off Kilter is a huge loss. I'm just not as angry about it as you seem to be.

 

[PhotoDave219]

You said iconic' not crowd-gathering, thread-generating, or foam inducing.

In any event, I so understand formers are not expected to be logical. I had never put you in that group, however. Thanks for self-identifying, I guess.

On a more serious note, I actually agree with you that losing Off Kilter is a huge loss. I'm just not as angry about it as you seem to be.

Its just the final straw. I have a lengthy explanation that explains where I'm coming from on this a few pages back.

That and I hate seeing friends lose their jobs and get replaced by the entertainment equivalent of an intern.