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Tigger1988

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But I think the point we are making Tigger1988 is that you DONT know either. None of us are aware of what casting options these people have. I am aware they were NOT offered any other roles at the point they were told the bands would be terminated. Beyond that is speculation. I agree with CDavid. If there are full time jobs that are available, they should have first shot. If they cannot or do not go for them, that is a whole different discussion. Marie
Except I'm not claiming TO KNOW. Beyond the fact that there may not have been roles suitable for all of them elsewhere at WDW. You really think equity players are going to take min wage front line WDW jobs? And that would be a suitable trade off somehow?

You however claimed that we couldn't make educated guesses on the matter, unless it was to infer that jobs were available for all of them and not offered.
 

PeterAlt

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I have lurked on this site since Avatar was announced way back when. I only started posting in the threads about a year ago. I must say that you can definitely learn a lot on this site. I've now learned about Nova Scotia, what pilings are, skin friction (in the construction world - there are other kinds we can't discuss here ;)), @PeterAlt has a monorail obsession, @ParentsOf4 most likely has a business or analytical degree if some sort, you shouldn't mess with @PhotoDave219, and of course, countless historical facts about WDW. Oh, I should add state that I have also learned that @marni1971, @Lee and @WDW1974 really know there ****.
Welcome!
 

lazyboy97o

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You know that for certain? Because several members stated that they could only be placed into other equity roles.
Unions don't tend to do semi-closed shops. I think it is safe to say that all performance roles at Walt Disney World are Equity roles, and if in the very slim chance this is not the case then that is a major failure on the part of the union. But again, offering a new performance role negates the cost savings.
 

Disneyhead'71

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Unions don't tend to do semi-closed shops. I think it is safe to say that all performance roles at Walt Disney World are Equity roles, and if in the very slim chance this is not the case then that is a major failure on the part of the union. But again, offering a new performance role negates the cost savings.
All performance roles of Disney employed CMs are equity roles. That is why they are contracting 3rd party acts.
 

I_heart_Tigger

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Just out of curiosity, why does Nova Scotia have such a strong Gaelic culture? I don't want to derail this thread but you really have peaked my curiosity about this.

Many of our ancestors (like mine for example) were exiled from Ireland and Scotland. My family was kicked out of Scotland for being horse thieves. We headed across the "pond" and hit land. We have a Gaelic college and towns where the street signs are in Gaelic as well as English.

There's a lot of French here as well. Our French are called Acadians and when the British booted them out they headed south. Since Americans can never pronounce anything correctly :p they started calling our Acadians "Cajuns"

Between the French, the Gaidheil and the Mi'kmaq we have some town and attraction names that are amusing for tourists to pronounce. I was just in Kejimkujik last week, heading to Musquodoboit next weekend (probably passing through Necum Teuch). You can do some skiing in Ben Eoin off the Bras d'Or lakes. One of my favourite town names is Port Mouton -which means Sheep Overboard.
 

ABQ

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Is Mo'rockin's belly dancer not also one odd those working inside the Restaurant Marrakesh? I know I've seen a few different dancers both inside and out.
 

CDavid

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I think it is safe to say that all performance roles at Walt Disney World are Equity roles

All performance roles of Disney employed CMs are equity roles

all of the character performers and parade performers are non-equity.

I don't suppose anyone can confirm which is correct - that all performance roles are Equity, or that some - characters and similar performance positions - aren't Equity? :confused:
 

lazyboy97o

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I don't suppose anyone can confirm which is correct - that all performance roles are Equity, or that some - characters and similar performance positions - aren't Equity? :confused:
The characters are almost discussed as being different than the live entertainment, it is hardly a specious distinction. Unions do all sorts of jockeying to determine their domain. If Equity wanted the characters they'd push to get them instead of the Teamsters. Either way, they're all union gigs because Disney is esentially a closed shop and there are no savings from hiring "non-members." The same types of roles are all covered by a certain union's collective bargaining agreement. This is all because it seems there is a poor understanding of how right to work operates. If this were California all new hires would be required to join the union, because being a closed shop does not mean new hires are already existing union members.
 

BrerJon

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I don't suppose anyone can confirm which is correct - that all performance roles are Equity, or that some - characters and similar performance positions - aren't Equity? :confused:

Most character performers are CPs, who are definitely not Equity, and I think this is also true of parade performers. They would be covered by one of the more general unions though.

My guess is most actors or musicians doing something that would require extensive training or experience, like the Dapper Dans or Citizens of Hollywood, would be covered by Equity however.
 

Zummi Gummi

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I don't suppose anyone can confirm which is correct - that all performance roles are Equity, or that some - characters and similar performance positions - aren't Equity? :confused:

Character performers aren't in Equity, though they're covered under another union. Any role requiring live singing will be filled by an Equity actor. The dancing is a little trickier, though. It's based on the complexity of the choreography (which is why the non-Equity parade dancers don't do any lifts, but the Equity DAWM dancers do).

Some characters are Equity under certain circumstances, and non-Equity under others. The Lady Tremaines roaming the park, at the dance party, and at Park Fare are not in Equity. However, the Lady Tremaine at the Villains Soirée (where she sings) is an Equity actress.
 

MarkTwain

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The big argument is over Jungle Cruise Skippers and GMR Hosts. Equity says they are performers, Disney says they are not. As of now they aren't in Equity.

They're attractions these days. No audition required..... And some bad skippers.

Yep. At this point, anyone can get into those roles; an incoming CP is just as likely to land a GMR or Jungle Cruise role as s/he would a role at Peter Pan or Small World, with nothing but a phone interview. Good thing they only have a strict script to follow, so no improv necessary ;)
 

Phil12

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Yep. At this point, anyone can get into those roles; an incoming CP is just as likely to land a GMR or Jungle Cruise role as s/he would a role at Peter Pan or Small World, with nothing but a phone interview. Good thing they only have a strict script to follow, so no improv necessary ;)
And yet I was on Kilimanjaro Safari one day with driver who was a wonderful comedian. It must have been his last day as a CM because WDW would never tolerate his patter. It was the best safari I have ever experienced. His jokes were rapid fire and always relevant to scenes or sounds on the "radio". He tore Warden Wilson Matua into little pieces.

At the start of the safari he would tell guests, "Get your cameras ready because you're going to have many opportunities to take photos of the rear ends of animals". When Warden Matua asked for help in catching the poachers, this driver responded, "Are you crazy? Those guys have high powered rifles and could kill us! We'll let that safari wagon full of fools behind us help you Wilson." He was great!
 

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