Entertainment cuts

[The Empress Lilly]

Closing October 6....
Royal Majesty Makers
DJ’s Ready! Set! Party Time
The Muppets presents Great Moments in American History

Also October 6 Move It Shake It goes down to two shows a day.

All that’s known so far...

Most of these cuts are improvements....

Muppets are fun, but belong in LS no more than they belong in Gakaxy's Edge.
DJ's, Move It Shake It and Dance Parties are atmosphere killers wherever they raise their ugly head.


Having said that, TDO is just pathetic. Remember when all MK lands had live music? All acts appropriate to their lands' theme?

 

[misfitdoll]

As much as I like to blame the C-suite termites for this kind of stuff, I equally blame the current average guest. I firmly believe that an unfortunately large number would rather have their nose buried in the idiotic nonsense on their social media feeds than live in the moment and enjoy these things.

As more millennials graduate from the role of "Disney kid" to that of "Disney parent" and the influence of Generation Z grows, I predict this behavior will change. Millennials (and even Gen Z) are already much older than people seem to realize. I am 36, and I am considered a millennial. What do millennials like? Nerdy details and experiences like... live entertainment maybe? As a start?

My younger brothers are Gen Z, and they will be an even tougher group. They are obsessed with staying out of debt (wisely so) and will not fall in love with the Disney Parks experience at the current experience:value ratio.

 

[MuteSuperstar]

DJ's, Move It Shake It and Dance Parties are atmosphere killers wherever they raise their ugly head.

I certainly agree with this. Live entertainment needs to be tasteful and theme-appropriate. That, of course, requires creative vision, which has been eroding for a while....which, again, is a collaborative effort between the modern execs and modern guests.

 

[mm52200]

Most of these cuts are improvements....

Muppets are fun, but belong in LS no more than they belong in Gakaxy's Edge.
DJ's, Move It Shake It and Dance Parties are atmosphere killers wherever they raise their ugly head.


Having said that, TDO is just pathetic. Remember when all MK lands had live music? All acts appropriate to their lands' theme?

Yes an empty courtyard with fake prop cars, empty lifeless buildings most guest walk by, and no sword in the stone ceremony or magical moments in Fantasyland are definitely an improvement.
Guest surveys actually say that they love paying for more while receiving less for their ticket price.
And once again I fail to see how a 20 minute show that happens in one section of the park over the course of 12 hour operating day really impacts the atmosphere but that’s just me.

 

[MrPromey]

To steal your wording, their hubris in 2019 is appalling. I’m rather turned off toward the company of late. Pay a fortune to observe cuts.

Didn't you see their new marketing slogan for 2020?

"Pay More. Expect Less!"

 

[MuteSuperstar]

Didn't you see their new marketing slogan for 2020?

"Pay More. Expect Less!"

Would work pretty well for almost every large corporation now. We should consider putting it on the currency.

 

[Disone]

All these cuts because they mismanaged Star Wars land.

Looking at the SWGE response.....
Cheapek : 10 hour waits in lines are not good.
Also Cheapek: Cut back everything

 

[RSoxNo1]

I don't know if I would classify Farley as a cut since it seemed he voluntarily retired.

But I will add to your list for WDW - Scoop Sanderson at MK, Off Kilter and MoRockin at Epcot. I know there's been more in recent years that I can't think of at the moment.

These were also replaced with new acts. You may have liked the old ones more, but they were at least replaced.

 

[MrPromey]

Unless I lived 10-30 minutes away I wouldn't do a platinum and I had no interest in upgrading just for the hope at getting SW previews. I'm good. lol. And a magnet is cute but ... they could very easily get our money but they do so little ... IMHO (I'm sure many will jump to their defense)

That preview ended up being completely unnecessary, anyway - that's the funny part. They ed a bunch of people off with that stunt and the first couple of weeks of it being open, it's a breeze most of the time, anyway.

 

[ppete1975]

Tees, Muppetfied Declaration of Independence posters and Sam Eagle plushes, FTW!

Is it the cost of equity performers and puppeteers? How chintzy can Disney get... ugh.

This next bit will offend the die hard Muppet fans but I imagine a digital version of the show could be pulled off with relative success. It would lose some of it's charm but the puppets themselves could easily be footage. The logistics of it are sound. As is the cost, if that's all Disney cares about. Who's to say it's a live performer or an AA or a digital puppet or a digital video from our vantage point looking up into a window? If any show could utilize the lazy method of theme park design a.k.a. screenz, it's this one. Toss in the streetmosphere Town Crier performer and the show could play as normal.

What seawold does with the elmo in the window in Sesame Street is a great example

 

[larryz]

Chapek the Cheapskate

Or just call him Cheapek.

 

[gerarar]

So is there going to be farewell merchandise for the Muppets show now? I mean...that is the whole goal with this cut...to improve profit margins and more $$$ into the pockets of the people who (disgracefully) run these beloved parks..

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

These were also replaced with new acts. You may have liked the old ones more, but they were at least replaced.

Sort of.... long term full time equity performers were replaced with seasonal shows by outside contract performers.

 

[RobWDW1971]

As much as I like to blame the C-suite termites for this kind of stuff, I equally blame the current average guest. I firmly believe that an unfortunately large number would rather have their nose buried in the idiotic nonsense on their social media feeds than live in the moment and enjoy these things.

Hence SWGE's lame datapad concept.

 

[bUU]

Is this is sarcasm? That’s what “really matters” to whom? The company or the guests?

If you don't think that the two are tightly linked, then you don't understand the reality of the situation.

WDW live entertainment is so bare bones.

Absolute nonsense.

I would love to see the actual financial data on this situation.

No you wouldn't; faced with how much things cost and how much things are actually valued, dollars to dollars, you'd have little choice but to take your criticism and bury it under a rock.

 

[bUU]

How come everyone is complaining all the time about WDW?

Because they think it is sexy to do so.

The changes come across as cost cutting.

But note how silent the same critics are when things are added.

However do you think that maybe the reviews for these shows and numbers watching were not worth the cost?

To them, other guests don't matter. All that matters is their own personal analysis based on their own personal bias.

 

[bUU]

Then please do us a favor and provide a current list of in park entertainment that will fill a daily two week vacation. I've got news for you bud, you won't.

Nonsense.

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[bUU]

When a company 's main goal is to expand the business, and increase stock price to increase the wealth of its shareholders,

So basically you're talking about just about every business in the country ... carry on ...

 

[bUU]

Meaningless to who? Isn't that pretty subjective?

Nope. In our society, when you're talking about the relationship between a supplier and a customer, such things are measured in dollars: How many dollars are guests on average willing to spend extra to have something specific. The disconnect happens when someone thinks that their own personal valuation trumps that of the average guest's valuation.

Case in point:

Right... i would rather have The Muppets Present Show than Tron. There, I said it. Stop spending all this money on billion dollar lands and hundred million dollar rides if you can’t spend a few bucks a day to maintain a freakin’ puppet show.

 

[bUU]

People seem to think that since Disney gets all this money due to price increases and this that and the other, that they have an unlimited budget for each department. It doesnt work that way and for whatever reason people cant seem to grasp it.

I think that they grasp it but then they engage in willful obliteration of that understanding from their minds in order to foster a general attitude of curmudgeony.

For those who doggedly stick to vapid prattle about "cuts", I challenge you to post the total number of WDW employees, and/or total budget for labor at WDW, for each of the last twenty years, and show us how the least mean squares regression line fits to that data.

Some Disney fans just don't want to hear the ugly truths about the company.

So, show us truths rather than insinuation and innuendo. Objective data - put it on the barrel - and show how WDW labor force has declined over the last twenty years.

C'mon... we all want to deal in truth, don't we?