ToTBellHop
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It is mind-boggling that this hasn’t happened. DHS is a zoo most days.
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TheMaxRebo
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My understanding is there is a mold issue with the Mermaid theater so not easy to get tup and running, but agree - more streetmosphere, etc would help
I know the talk before about dropping the first order march and Star Wars stage show and Trials of the Jedi was that something comparable would be moved to GE as they wanted to put all star wars stuff there - but then a lot got out behind the paywall that was the Starcruiser, but with that now gone, would be nice to see some of those things come back in some form too
mattpeto
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The whole Animation courtyard has to be bulldozed.
SpectreJordan
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Oh my bad, that makes a lot of sense. For some reason, I had imagined they'd access the pad behind Na'Vi River.
Keep those ones in the back of wherever they're used though. They're on their last legs as is.
I'd say just tear it down & replace it with something new at this point. The entire Animation Courtyard could be used for a nice land. Get a D/E ticket, a flatride & a new show in there.
It's really crazy to me that they put two lands for mega-IPs in DHS & now they're apparently done with it for a decade+. The park could be Disney's answer to IOA if they finished it.
I think another reason Disney screwed up with putting Guardians in EPCOT is that it & a Dr Strange ride could've been the perfect anchors for a Marvel land in DHS. Two rides like that & a Marvel based show would've helped DHS a lot. Theme it to NYC & then have it segue into Muppets Courtyard, which I think also takes place in NYC?
UNCgolf
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This would have been 10000x better than Cosmic Rewind at EPCOT.
RSoxNo1
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Thematically yes, ride quality no. EPCOT needed an anchor like Cosmic Rewind.
UNCgolf
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They could have built a different anchor than Cosmic Rewind, and one that was better both thematically and in overall ride quality -- in some ways, Cosmic Rewind is a swing and a miss, although not because it's a bad attraction (it is, of course, not bad). People enjoy it because it's a good coaster, but it's a poor usage of the Guardians IP. More importantly, the theming in general is more or less superfluous to the ride experience. Most guests would enjoy it as much as they do now if it was just general space imagery with music and everything else was excised.
Cosmic Rewind at DHS, especially with an additional Doctor Strange attraction and a Marvel NYC area, would be a much, much bigger boost to that park than Cosmic Rewind has been to EPCOT. Current DHS is still a weaker park with less to do than EPCOT was before CR existed. It's not that EPCOT didn't need another headliner attraction, because it did -- they just could have handled everything so much better.
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RSoxNo1
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They could have, but they weren't going to. The biggest stateside non-IP driven ride built under the Iger/Chapek era was the Trolleys in DCA.
I believe that EPCOT today is better than it was in 2018. That doesn't mean this decision making was perfect, but it's an improvement.
Disgruntled Walt
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If they had to add TRON and Cosmic Rewind, I wish they had been reversed. CR to MK and TRON to Epcot.
RSoxNo1
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I think that's a bit misguided to be honest. TRON doesn't fit in EPCOT either, it's just that the aesthetic is similar to Test Track. Moreover, Guardians is a vastly superior attraction and EPCOT was (and still is) in need of attractions that draw attendance.
To the greater point being made by @UNCgolf - they could have told this story or a similar story without IP. I don't think the connection is the worst in the park, but it's absolutely a leap relative to EPCOT from 1989.
The primary objection I have with the story is the presence of the Celestial as the reason for kicking off this ride. They could tell the same story with a humanoid alien stealing the Cosmic Generator. That being said, the attraction is anchored by a talking tree and raccoon like creature so we need to be able to accept some level of silliness.
I knew definitively that they didn't care when Tom Fitzgerald said at the D23 Expo that EPCOT is where the real becomes fantastic AND the fantasy becomes real.
Disgruntled Walt
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Don't get me wrong! I hate IP in Epcot and I don't think either one fits there. I just thought having a "computer technology pavilion" is more plausible than "Wonders of Xandar." A bit more in line with the original Epcot philosophy.
Epcot82Guy
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Cosmic Rewind fails because of very bad place setting and a story that actually detracts from the ride vs adding. I would venture 99% of guests love it because of the ride itself and the music. That could have been done with a much better story that fit EPCOT much better - even using Guardians as the IP.
(Let alone any number of IPs that could have used the queue to set up the Epcot/real world idea then going into the coaster.)
(Let alone any number of IPs that could have used the queue to set up the Epcot/real world idea then going into the coaster.)
Fox&Hound
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Not to derail further but while Guardians is the smoothest coaster I have ever ridden, it was such a bombardment to the senses. So much is going on, the story makes no sense, and then it was over. Had no clue what they story was or if we accomplished our mission at the end. To that end, the place it really fits is Universal.
LSLS
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This. I have been on it 3 times, I still don't really know what happens with the story during the ride, I'm busy jamming to the music and whipping around all over the place to really notice what is going on with that monster or even the dialogue.
TheMaxRebo
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I do think the music adds a lot to the music experience of Cosmic Rewind - without it or just generic music - it wouldn't be as fun. And that is the word I always use to describe Cosmic Rewind, it is super fun - possible, to me, the most "fun" coaster/ride at all of WDW.
So while it could work with no IP or a different IP, I do think the Guardians IP (a movie series I also find very fun) adds to it
Epcot82Guy
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I totally agree. Leaving aside issues of the Big Blue Box, I think Cosmic Rewind's biggest issue is the story they chose - not the idea itself. (Which is my same gripe with FEA and RAT, too.). There are a number of stories that could have used the Guardians in connection with a real world, Epcot-like story and pavilion. Then use the coaster as the main draw in its existing format and sound track - just a better, simpler story.
Even Ellen's had this concept. "Dinosaur's are just fun!" Rather than weird Xandarian faux science, have something based in the real world. Then, have a bit of fun going into space with the Guardians to "bring it to life". It's not the most ambitious pavilion idea. But, there are numerous concepts that would work and could have easily fit Epcot in a much, much better way.
threvester
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how has this turned into a Cosmic Rewind bashing thread?
Animaniac93-98
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This. It's the only roller coaster in the park and it's a decent enough one at that, so it's easy to like.
But the Guardians IP is superfluous to the ride itself. Even the music isn't actually GotG, it's just the kind of music you might hear in the series, and other story ideas could justify its use.
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That was the farcical death knell of "edutainment" for EPCOT.