News 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

Christhegr8

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I just watched a video of the new Zootopia ride at Shanghai Disneyland.

It wasn't awful, but falls into many of the same problems that other recent trackless dark rides have - overreliance on screens and big empty rooms. I'm reaaaaaaaaally glad they decided not to turn Dinosaur into a clone of it.
Yeah I liked the orginal 4D/simulation rides at Universal HP and Spider-Man. But personally I haven’t been into more recent ones like Ratatouille or M&MRR. That’s just me I know people love them. It usually comes down to the ride mechanism and how well the real components align with the artificial aspects like screens etc.
 

JD80

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What grates me so much is that they've talked about these expansions, but there's not much chance of them while Iger is still around.

So instead, why not concentrate on some easy wins for Disney fans. Work on the Wonders of Life/ Play Pavilion? Imagine Pavilion or Phase 2 of the SkyLiner

Here's the issue. Blame whichever Bob you want, or both, but there has been a drastic drain of talent at Imagineering. There has been leadership changes with Bruce Vaughn coming back earlier this year along with Barbara Bouza 2 years ago (Dec '21?) at the start of the pandemic. You had that huge mistake with the move to FL that pushed even more people out.

You had Chapek who basically had zero future plans for the parks.

Combine the brain/creative drain plus the directive of the CEO and you basically have zero in the pipeline and to fill that pipeline of expansion is HARD.

With a company the size of Disney (or just Disney Parks) you can't just flip a switch and execute on some major infrastructure project, During good times it takes years before you're ready to start. Now? Longer. This is why they haven't announced anything yet for sure. That's why you have all these "Blue Sky" nonsense announcement. They are covering for themselves because they aren't ready yet.

That's why D23 next year is where they are planting their flag. They've had enough time 2 years under Iger with his "reinvestment" in the parks to hire talent, organize the talent, design and iterate ideas etc. Remember that Iger statement about coming back to the office?

Remember @lentesta description of WDI when he had a tour and how empty it was?

All that being said, there is going to be a giant 5 year blank spot in WDW updates because they probably had to restart everything.

I don't have any inside knowledge of WDI but I know how engineering teams work. I've worked with teams of fortune 100 companies for complex automation projects and I know how long things take even under optimal situations. And that's just working with technology and not having to work with a creative element.
 

Bocabear

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What grates me so much is that they've talked about these expansions, but there's not much chance of them while Iger is still around.

So instead, why not concentrate on some easy wins for Disney fans. Work on the Wonders of Life/ Play Pavilion? Imagine Pavilion or Phase 2 of the SkyLiner
Stitch Replacement!!! don't forget that one....at the entrance to Tomorrowland.....
 

TheMaxRebo

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Here's the issue. Blame whichever Bob you want, or both, but there has been a drastic drain of talent at Imagineering. There has been leadership changes with Bruce Vaughn coming back earlier this year along with Barbara Bouza 2 years ago (Dec '21?) at the start of the pandemic. You had that huge mistake with the move to FL that pushed even more people out.

You had Chapek who basically had zero future plans for the parks.

Combine the brain/creative drain plus the directive of the CEO and you basically have zero in the pipeline and to fill that pipeline of expansion is HARD.

With a company the size of Disney (or just Disney Parks) you can't just flip a switch and execute on some major infrastructure project, During good times it takes years before you're ready to start. Now? Longer. This is why they haven't announced anything yet for sure. That's why you have all these "Blue Sky" nonsense announcement. They are covering for themselves because they aren't ready yet.

That's why D23 next year is where they are planting their flag. They've had enough time 2 years under Iger with his "reinvestment" in the parks to hire talent, organize the talent, design and iterate ideas etc. Remember that Iger statement about coming back to the office?

Remember @lentesta description of WDI when he had a tour and how empty it was?

All that being said, there is going to be a giant 5 year blank spot in WDW updates because they probably had to restart everything.

I don't have any inside knowledge of WDI but I know how engineering teams work. I've worked with teams of fortune 100 companies for complex automation projects and I know how long things take even under optimal situations. And that's just working with technology and not having to work with a creative element.

Don't disagree and why Iger has been pushing "the later half of next ten years" ....

Would be nice if some lower hanging fruit was then worked on ... Do something with th Play Pavilion, etc - things that shouldn't take 50 imagineers to do

The lack of anything being worked on beyond Tiana's isn't exactly building excitement to book a trip
 

ToTBellHop

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Don't disagree and why Iger has been pushing "the later half of next ten years" ....

Would be nice if some lower hanging fruit was then worked on ... Do something with th Play Pavilion, etc - things that shouldn't take 50 imagineers to do

The lack of anything being worked on beyond Tiana's isn't exactly building excitement to book a trip
The Zootopia 3D show and CBJ update should come next year.
 

JD80

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Don't disagree and why Iger has been pushing "the later half of next ten years" ....

Would be nice if some lower hanging fruit was then worked on ... Do something with th Play Pavilion, etc - things that shouldn't take 50 imagineers to do

The lack of anything being worked on beyond Tiana's isn't exactly building excitement to book a trip

Even putting something in the Play Pavilion requires a lot of people. That's not easy. Not only do you need to prep/clean/repair the insides that have been empty for years, you have to build something there, then you have to do all the work around the surrounding areas outside the building.

They ain't digging up EPCOT again for years.
 

matt9112

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I think Frozen is equally disjointed, and also looks barren/unfinished compared to Maelstrom.

I think FEA is one of the worst designed rides at WDW, though -- it's really more about that than Maelstrom. It has nice AAs (and even those are brought down by the projection faces), and that's basically it. It's sole appeal is the inclusion of Frozen characters and Frozen songs; there's nothing else there.

The masses eat it up… it’s a terrible ride that people ogle over.
 

Bocabear

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The masses eat it up… it’s a terrible ride that people ogle over.
But you have to admit...that turn into the first show scene when Olaf starts singing and walks towards you is absolutely magic... It's really the top of the lift hill that feels disappointing... all the blank space... They could add more set pieces and a few more animatronics and flesh it out....
 
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celluloid

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Which project do you guys think will get cancelled first? Indy or Beyond Big Thunder.

Beyond Big Thunder has more drawing power, but it is in MK and that has the retheme of splash and will cost a lot more.

Indy will be much cheaper as it is a retheme, the Iger shoehorn special, but is not likely to move the needle very much by the time it actually gets done.
 

yensidtlaw1969

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I guess what is more shocking is they purpose built the one in Hong Kong and it is exactly the same... No changes except no projected faces on their AAs.... So, rushed or not, this was the plan....
There are actually some decently significant changes that improve the ride over the EPCOT version, but on video they don't stand out all that clearly. The layout has been reconfigured to allow for several of the scenes to be larger and more detailed, some of the seams are better hidden (think ceilings and lighting equipment), and I believe the drop is higher as well. May also be steeper, not sure on that.

And of course the queue is very different and much more elaborate, as is the land itself, and no doubt the better context that those provide go some length to making the ride feel more satisfying. But I recognize that's separate from what we're both talking about.

That said, I fully agree that any Frozen ride that wasn't being built in EPCOT (and, truthfully, even the one that was) should rely minimally on the DNA of Maelstrom for its design. Hong Kong and Paris, whose ride will be basically idential to HK's, both deserve better out of a new build of a ride based on a billion dollar franchise.

I will say that if you told me 10 years ago that none of the Frozen rides built would use LPS "sleigh" ride vehicles that "skate" across the "ice" I wouldn't have believed you. Crazy to me that a movie all about frozen water ended up with a bunch of boat rides.
 

MagicHappens1971

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Which project do you guys think will get cancelled first? Indy or Beyond Big Thunder.

Beyond Big Thunder has more drawing power, but it is in MK and that has the retheme of splash and will cost a lot more.

Indy will be much cheaper as it is a retheme, the Iger shoehorn special, but is not likely to move the needle very much by the time it actually gets done.
Logistically both NEED to happen. Beyond Big Thunder could be built with minimal to no impact on the daily ops of MK. Indy (or whatever becomes of this expansion/retheme) would need to happen in phases and I don't think will be as big of a draw to DAK as whatever Beyond Big Thunder would be to MK.

I think the "Iger special" would be stupid here. Spending 100M to retheme Dino and then another 150-200M to build a Primeval Whirl replacement, and another 75M to retheme the rest of the area. We're looking at ~375M for something that will barley move the needle of DAK's capacity problems.

Beyond Big Thunder (done properly) will probably cost north of 700M.

I guess we'll have to wait and see how seriously Bob is about "turbo-charging" the parks.
 

celluloid

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Logistically both NEED to happen. Beyond Big Thunder could be built with minimal to no impact on the daily ops of MK. Indy (or whatever becomes of this expansion/retheme) would need to happen in phases and I don't think will be as big of a draw to DAK as whatever Beyond Big Thunder would be to MK.

I think the "Iger special" would be stupid here. Spending 100M to retheme Dino and then another 150-200M to build a Primeval Whirl replacement, and another 75M to retheme the rest of the area. We're looking at ~375M for something that will barley move the needle of DAK's capacity problems.

Beyond Big Thunder (done properly) will probably cost north of 700M.

I guess we'll have to wait and see how seriously Bob is about "turbo-charging" the parks.

Agreed 100 percent. Indy is just too little too late.

Beyond Big Thunder needs all the stops, and it needs to compliment the MK, not just be the lesser levels of Fantasyland Expansion.

I would really love for something better to come along for MK that could be faster but just wow everyone.
 

Bocabear

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Villains Lair for the expansion...It could be a great counterpoint to Universal Monsters, fit the Magic Kingdom perfectly and add a few more rides, and if done well like Universal has done with Harry Potter, it could be absolutely amazing.
but it would take a great investment, and would really need to be done well with a budget to match....
 

ToTBellHop

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Here’s hoping, with the move of Encanto and Coco to DAK (until they change their minds), they will simply build an awesome villain-packed Shadowland behind Big Thunder. Fully fleshed out with a couple rides, entertainment, dining, retail. Disney need only view the latest aerials of Epic Universe for ideas on a spooky land.

You could have a really cool transition from Big Thunder like what happens around Phantom Manor in Paris. The sensory tickles there were a joy to see.
 

drizgirl

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Here’s hoping, with the move of Encanto and Coco to DAK (until they change their minds), they will simply build an awesome villain-packed Shadowland behind Big Thunder. Fully fleshed out with a couple rides, entertainment, dining, retail. Disney need only view the latest aerials of Epic Universe for ideas on a spooky land.

You could have a really cool transition from Big Thunder like what happens around Phantom Manor in Paris. The sensory tickles there were a joy to see.
"Fully fleshed out" is now a couple of rides?
 

Bocabear

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If they really pull out the stops and do a Villain's land with multiple attractions, dining and retail, it could be the next big thing for Disney parks worldwide...and create a huge uptick in attendance... it would truly help "turbocharge" the Magic Kingdom. If they do a value engineered version I don't think it would do much to move the needle...
 

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