ToTBellHop
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Yeah but he was saying that in September, it was a 50% chance of happening. Now it’s a 52% chance. I’ll leave it to our staff mathematicians to determine when it will hit 100%.
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News 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom
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mattpeto
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He even referenced the Indy music as a subtle tease. These guys are corny as hell, but I’d bump to 52.09% thanks Josh.
They would if they had the green light from Disney finance....but they dont. So, they just endlessly play the dreaming, "what if" game with us.
Folks,...abosolutely ZERO will happen until a budget is submitted and actually approved for it. Only then will they be able to break ground, double their construction time and go way over than the approved budget and be forced to remove half of their ideas before finishing.
Under the current Disney construction habbits?....there will be a construction crater at Animal Kingdom for a MINUMUM of 5 years after they actually get started. Look how long it has taken them to build a simple walk through, PVC water pump attraction at Epcot?
I'd bet we are looking at an opening day of 2029-2030.
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ToTBellHop
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Iger will obviously have to work some magic to get this approved. The company at large needs more stable footing. $35 Genie+ can only fund so many The Marvels (and Wish’s reviews don’t point to future success in theaters any time soon. How’s Avatar 3 coming along, Jim?!).
At least Inside Out 2 looks good so far?
I thought "Ant Man" and "Indiana Jones" were going to be the big hits that were going to break the spell and get Disney studios back on track to glory. I then was 100% sure that "The Marvels" was the spell breaker. Disney's has such bad luck lately! (I don't understand why...it's not like these movies don't have the Disney logo on them)
There is hope though..."Wish" is looking to be a really good movie and we also have one of Disney's biggest power-house brands, "Snow White" in production now. If "Wish" sill cant break the spell...then the power of "Snow White" will be the sledge hammer that finally breaks this bad luck cycle.
I just wish that Disney fans would get their act together and start supporting Disney more instead of avoiding it. We need to band TOGETHER, go to the theaters and watch these movies and please subscribe to Disney + ASAP.
If we can do that, they wont need to steal so much money from our parks. We need to HELP Disney keep parks money to stay "inside" parks investments. C'mon guys...do it for the parks we love.
Everybody that cancels their Disney + subscription...every time we avoid a Disney movie in the theaters,...we HURT our parks ability to get new stuff. Let's stop doing that. Please?
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yensidtlaw1969
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The thing is, that's not really how movies work.
Most people don't see movies they have no interest in just because of who's producing it, they see movies they have interest in regardless of who's producing it. If you happen to be a company that produces many movies that someone enjoys you start to develop brand loyalty, but that only lasts as long as you deliver.
I used to see every Pixar Movie in theaters because I'd never seen a Pixar movie that failed to amaze me. A new Pixar Movie was an event. But with the way they've faltered in the last 10 years I no longer feel it's a guarantee I'll enjoy their work. Sometimes you get super lucky, and sometimes you get The Good Dinosaur. I've enjoyed some of their recent movies on Disney+, but I don't feel the need to spend the time or money at the theater the way that I used to.
Disney is the one who needs to get its act together here. I am more than prepared to continue my lifelong habit of throwing money at their films, provided they make and release ones that capture my attention and prove worth my time. They haven't been doing that lately. Brand loyalty isn't about blindly supporting whatever a company does, it's support that's conditional on sustained reputation. A lot of people, for reasons both good and bad, feel their trust in Disney has been battered.
While I think some of the cultural discourse around Disney's recent and upcoming movies is ridiculous and overzealous, they also aren't making that many movies that I'm dying to see. Last I saw in Theaters was Haunted Mansion and I was tremendously disappointed (and that was despite going in with lowered expectations). I'm lightly curious about Wish, but have no plans to see it in theaters. I'll wait for it to hit Disney+, which I've been subscribed to since Day 1.
If they want my money they can have it, they just have to earn it.
LittleBuford
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Based on his posting history, I suspect the poster you responded to was being sarcastic anyway.
jeanericuser001
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Both. Lets put it this way. The dinosaur ride is an open beer left outside in the sun. The more time that goes by the more the beer changes until its barely drinkable. Dinosaur at its initial start was an amazing attraction but over time it has had so many things happen. Animatronics that use to work are permanently broken. Effects that use to happen are gone. Even the vehicles themselves are pretty worn down. You can even smell a sort of stale smell while in some areas of that building as if even the carpet needs to be replaced. Now disney could invest millions to completely repair an attraction that has slipped in rank from decade to decade or create a new attraction from a franchise that people have clamored for a ride for in this side of the country for decades. Besides the franchise that dinosaur has tried to latch on to now is almost completely forgotten by most people where is indiana jones is still being constantly discovered by new generations. As for completely fixing dinosaur, that is one of many promises that disney has never actually been able to grant. Just like disco yeti, it will just remain in its same worn out broken down state collecting anyone who can't get on most other rides because the wait is either too long or its the only fast pass they can get. Indiana jones may have problems too but at least we know these will be fixed on a regular basis as disney would rather not have their marquee attraction broken down for too long where is dinosaur for all intents and purposes is just like that stale beer still left in the sun. Its been left to rot and will only continue to rot as disney seems to have no intention to bring it back to the same level of quality it had when its first started.
yensidtlaw1969
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Ah, missed that. Thanks
denyuntilcaught
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In all fairness, I had started to believe it myself as well.
KDM31091
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I am guessing nothing will happen for at least a handful of years. They haven't given Spaceship Eath, Figment, even the Peoplemover (which breaks down every 30 seconds these days), and many other attractions across property the love they need/deserve, much less overhauling Dinosaur to match a decades old attraction at Disneyland. It makes little logical sense. No matter how they spin it, Indiana Jones makes little sense in Animal Kingdom. Yes the park is about "discovery and exploration" in a sense, but it's discovery and exploration of animals, not just anything.
I have stated it in other threads, but I think if they just put a little TLC into Dinosaur, it's fine. It still attracts people, it just needs some sprucing up like many other attractions do. I can't see how putting a reskin of Indiana Jones, again, based on an old ride, is going to be worth the investment at all.
I have stated it in other threads, but I think if they just put a little TLC into Dinosaur, it's fine. It still attracts people, it just needs some sprucing up like many other attractions do. I can't see how putting a reskin of Indiana Jones, again, based on an old ride, is going to be worth the investment at all.
Ok...ok...sarcasm on pause for this one post. Sincerity switch = "on"
Lately, I feel that Disney's errogance has broken the guage and is off the charts. They believe their logo is spectacular, noble and bulletproof. Disney believes that they are virtueous and everything they make is extrordinary. If something fails?...it's never "them" that is the issue. Instead, it's their customers fault for not wanting it or liking it. "We" are the problem!
Disney just seems to be socked at their failure. They think soooo highly of themselves that they just can't comprehend why we often dont want what they make. Disney is completely disconnected from it's customer's want's. Here is a simple sentence that sums it all up:
"We are NOT going to make products that our customers want. We are going make products that WE want our customers to want....and if they don't like it?...too bad"
I believe the US parks are in big trouble and I don't see any significant improvements to them for the next 5 years at best. It's time to clear out the rott in the Burbank boardroom and rebuild the Disney logo right now.
LittleBuford
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This is a lot of projection as far as I’m concerned.
denyuntilcaught
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It's arrogance for sure, but I don't think it's arrogance in the sense that they believe they can produce anything and people will flock to it. Even I don't believe Iger believes that (anymore - I think the SW:GE opening opened his eyes to that.)
I don't think what we're seeing is that belief. I think what we're seeing is the effects of long-term brand erosion and a leader who lacks the creativity to solve for it. Iger is a business man, and by most regards a darn good one at it. But most business men are not a brand builders. That takes a different mindset in understanding how and why a brand resonates, and clear safeguarding of potential decisions that may erode this resonance. From incessant price increases and upcharging in the parks, to the focus on quantity over quantity in content, to his infamous IP mandate stifling the development of new stories, each of these choices have led to brand erosion.
It's arrogance in the sense that the brand can persevere despite this erosion. But it can't and it won't. Just my two cents.
I don't think what we're seeing is that belief. I think what we're seeing is the effects of long-term brand erosion and a leader who lacks the creativity to solve for it. Iger is a business man, and by most regards a darn good one at it. But most business men are not a brand builders. That takes a different mindset in understanding how and why a brand resonates, and clear safeguarding of potential decisions that may erode this resonance. From incessant price increases and upcharging in the parks, to the focus on quantity over quantity in content, to his infamous IP mandate stifling the development of new stories, each of these choices have led to brand erosion.
It's arrogance in the sense that the brand can persevere despite this erosion. But it can't and it won't. Just my two cents.
jeanericuser001
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Dinosaur is not in the shape you think it is in. My advice is look up on youtube some of the early videos of Countdown to Extinction and watch the animatronics closely. Then watch the video of the ride as it is now with the lights on. You will notice a big difference. This is unfortunately a common problem for antiquated animatronics over time. They slowly break down until eventually it becomes to expensive to replace or even repair them so they reduce the movement little by little until one day they are doing almost nothing. No amount of money spent can get them back into the shape they once were and its too expensive to replace them with new robotics. This has been the bane of many animatronics at disney over time hence the need for new technology. Sadly this ride is not as big enough of an attraction to draw in as much people as it use to. At one time the wait for this could be up to a hour but now its rare to see it get near that unless its a holiday period.
As for those other attractions, Spaceship earth and journey into imagination is a complex issue as its also an attraction used to solicit advertising agreements with companies and with each company takeover includes a makeover of the ride. That is why although they get some repair work, the real makeovers happen when they get a sponsorship. As for the peoplemover, that is an attraction that has its own can of worms but mostly its just ensuring the magnets work properly. Everything else can be easily rethemed on a minimal budget. Since it is that easy to change its considered a lower priority hence it stays the same.
As for the indiana jones ride, we do not know if it will use the same theme as the disneyland version but that is likely doubtful as disney will likely take a different route due to that attraction also being a bit antiquated. A newer more modern attraction may be what disney has in mind. For all we know it could be any number of different possible things. It may even combine live action and animatrionics like the great movie ride. We know little at this point and I can only assume that disney at this point is weighing every pro and con to see which fits the best.
As for how indiana jones ties into animal kingdom, you have to look at animal kingdom as a series of lands. Africa, India, Asia, and with this new land, south america. You are also forgetting what indiana jones is, an archeologist. An archeologist's job is to explore the known world to unlock knowledge of the past so new generations can learn more about the past. An archeologist not only examines the people but also the land, the environment, and all factors connected to those people including the animals. An archeologist exploring an ancient structure in search of knowledge is not too dissimilar an idea to going on a train ride in search of the Yeti. Sure I would love for a strictly animal section to be added but we must remember the important saying that disney stressed over and over in commercials, Not a zoo.
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tanc
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I'm glad they're going to get rid of Dinorama because I always thought it was completely out of place. However, replacing Dinosaur I think is a bit too much. I have only rode Indiana Jones in DisneySea, and while I think it's a cool ride, I personally like Dinosaur more. Dinosaur is a special attraction that should be preserved, and this whole idea of rethemeing every ride is getting old.
RoysCabin
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Honestly, I think a lot of it is that we're in an era of "content overload", if that makes sense as a phrase for it.
The IP mandate is bad enough; it holds back interesting or fresh attraction ideas, it makes so much more about the experience feel like a commercial for Disney+ rather than a standalone theme park experience, etc., all the stuff we've been over a million times. But when you'd see that happen in the old days, it was an era with around one animated movie per year, plus maybe a new Pixar film every couple of years. So, if there was a push to integrate them into the parks it wasn't usually overwhelming and it was often done in a "soft launch" kind of way where they could take some time to gauge how popular the film was and how much cultural impact it had before trying to do anything else with it, e.g. having things like parades and stage shows based on various films before going further with them with rides or anything else.
Now? The streaming era means there's something new all the time, and we get the drumbeat how "this deserves a ride in the parks". But this isn't easy to pull off: when you've got all these different studios within a giant media conglomerate producing content for different parts of the audience and making films and episodic series' and more all the time, you're both going to overwhelm your fans at a certain point.
Worse, it also means that it's harder for a given franchise or film to really become a cultural touchstone that a general park-going audience will all want to experience; even films that make a billion dollars today don't always leave that much of a lasting impression in ways we were once accustomed to in the past, so what seems like a hot commodity this year and a surefire bet to be a long-lasting addition to the parks is a cold product that people mostly shrug off by next year.
Rich Brownn
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"Wish" got lambasted by the critics, unfortunately, which may convince more people to wait for streaming
I like most of the content has been making. There are exceptions (looking at you, Artemis Fowl, and The Nutcracker and the Four Realms).
Sorry you don't.
Disney has literally dumped over 15+ billion dollars into Disney + since in inception. Disney + has not profited even 1 penny in that time!!!...nothing but stealing and vacuming money from the parks!
"If" Disney + ever reaches a "break even" year...how many decades will it take to actually PROFIT enough to make that 15+ billion investment back? The answer is quite possibly...never. 15 + billion tossed straight into a black hole.
Imagine if Disney split the money they dumped on Disney + and put 7.5 billion into Disneyland and 7.5 billion into WDW? At least that 15 billion would be RETURNING money back on that investment.
And now we are stuck with a ton of repeating "what if" Blue Sky dreaming ideas for WDW that can't seem to even get any finance green light to move forward.
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