News 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

DCBaker

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Walt Disney Imagineering has shared on LinkedIn the Tropical Americas project team kicked off the official start of construction with a groundbreaking at Disney’s Animal Kingdom this morning:


From left to right:

Maryann Smith: Vice President - Disney’s Animal Kingdom
Humberto Kam: Senior Producer
Joan Hartwig: Executive Creative Director
Courtney Zurich: Principal Project Manager
 

co10064

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They were badly burned with Rivers of Light, I'm not sure there is any great desire to do anything there currently. Hopefully yet at will change. We thought Pandora would be enough to turn DAK into a night park, but it wasn't. Will Tropical Americas tip it over the edge?
Truthfully until there is a net gain of attractions and/or the park starts opening later, DAK won’t have enough to do in the average guest’s mind to stay from open to close.
 

James Alucobond

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They were badly burned with Rivers of Light, I'm not sure there is any great desire to do anything there currently. Hopefully yet at will change. We thought Pandora would be enough to turn DAK into a night park, but it wasn't. Will Tropical Americas tip it over the edge?
IMO, it continues to be a transportation issue. Everything else is pretty minimal in terms of transportation hassle, but even AKL > AK kinda sucks. All of the parks need to be either equally accessible or equally inaccessible if they want to push people toward a fourth nighttime show. Otherwise, people will always gravitate toward the ones that are easier to watch and quickly bounce back to your hotel.

I think it's probably more reasonable to just turn the amphitheater into a recurring show that has both a day and night mode, similar to Magic Happens. Make it more along the lines of an additional attraction than something explicitly designed to pull in night traffic. Just ... better than KiteTails, please.
 

SpectreJordan

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Thank you for listening. I understand your view, too.



There are stupider moves Disney has made, but I think removing Dinoland is in the running for the most embarrassing. The entire land is dedicated to how much people love dinosaurs, who are seen as inherently cool. Half of it was a giant ode to how easy it is to make money off dinosaurs. Parts of it show off how much they permeate our culture and have for a very long time (the huge variety of knickknacks in Dinosaur Treasures and parts of Restaurant O'saurus). For two decades they have had characters confidently declare on the musical loop that everyone loves dinosaurs. Even Donald's Dino-Bash has that idea at its heart; everyone understands why Donald would be excited about being related to dinosaurs without further elaborating.

But Disney just can't figure out how to make it work, apparently.



It was either to better represent what we knew about dinosaurs at the time (green was a more realistic color) or so he blends in better, depending on your source.
Dinoland has a lot of fun details for hardcore park geeks (I ended up liking it myself as I became more of a park geek). But it was definitely a failure with your average guest, weren't the Satisfaction scores always low? Even with the fun details & lore, it stuck out like a sore thumb amongst the rest of DAK.

Now in general, I do agree with the disappointment of Disney abandoning Dinos. Dinosaurs play a big part in the park's themes... & they're just plain cool. They should've scrapped Dinoland & instead build an awesome prehistoric jungle instead.

I'm excited for the Tropical Americas, but I do think they're squandering some potential. Rebuilding a dinosaur land where Dinoland stood & then building a bigger Tropical Americas on an expansion pad should've been the gameplan.

Maybe we'll get the reverse one day, if we ever get another cool CEO. They could build a really cool dinosaur themed land in one of the expansion pads. Maybe even have a "sequel" to the Dinosaur ride with the Institute involved.
 

monothingie

Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop
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From left to right:

Maryann Smith: Vice President - Disney’s Animal Kingdom
Humberto Kam: Senior Producer
Joan Hartwig: Executive Creative Director
Courtney Zurich: Principal Project Manager
Star Wars GIF


What a curious choice to go with Linkedin.

Are they looking to move to new jobs before/after this?
 

FerretAfros

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I see the removal of Dinoland USA as Disney conceding that they no longer have the creative ability to make some of the most popular and incredible creatures ever to walk the Earth work in their parks.

I guess just because they aren’t able to stick a (TM) towards the end of the species names? Or because there isn’t some upcoming movie or Disney+ show to tie them into?

Weak.
Interestingly, dinosaurs used to be a connective tissue that tied all the Disney parks together around the world, sort of a precursor to the hamfisted attempt to put SEA into every park. Off the top of my head, it’s the only non-Disney-branded subject matter that’s had a presence in all the Disney parks worldwide:

DL and TDL have the primeval world diorama on their respective railroads; DL, MK, and TDL have dinosaur bones on Big Thunder; DLP has the bones in the geyser area along the river; Epcot had them in Universe of Energy; DHS has Dinosaur Gertie; DCA had Dinosaur Jack’s Sunglass Shack; TDS has a triceratops skull on some shipping crates in the American Waterfront; WDSP had the Dinotopia set along the tram route; and of course DAK has/had Dinoland USA with Chester & Hester’s Dinorama. To my knowledge HKDL didn’t have a permanent dinosaur presence at opening, but Lucky the Dinosaur was there for a while, and there’s a fiberglass Rex statue in their Toy Story Land (duplicates of which are also in SDL and DHS).

Strangely, it seems like they’re slowly but surely removing many of these elements, often taking out the more prominent and story-integrated ones (Universe of Energy, Dinoland, Dinosaur Jack, Dinotopia) and leaving the ones that are little more than set dressing (BTMRR, American Waterfront). While I don’t think they are actively trying to erase dinosaurs from the parks, it is curious that so many dinosaur-related elements have been removed worldwide. It’s odd to think that in the span of a few years, WDW will go from having 4 parks with dinosaurs down to 2, with both the full land and standalone major attraction being removed, while only the seasonal snack bar and set dressing remain.


Similarly, at opening DAK had two “lands” based in the US (Dinoland USA and Camp Minnie Mickey), both of which have been/will be removed. While the replacement lands will probably feel more exotic compared to the daily lives of most guests, it’s hard not to notice that it leads to park that feels less diverse overall, with all the lands relying heavily on “jungle” components, rather than highlighting other ecosystems and environments of the natural world that could create a more varied park atmosphere for guests to enjoy over the course of a day.

I’m not sure what to make of the significance of these changes, but in a way it seems like a certain era of the parks has been quietly coming to an end.
 

AidenRodriguez731

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Tbh I think Hot Pursuit earns its tracklessness a lot more than Rat or MMRR
Honed
Interestingly, dinosaurs used to be a connective tissue that tied all the Disney parks together around the world, sort of a precursor to the hamfisted attempt to put SEA into every park. Off the top of my head, it’s the only non-Disney-branded subject matter that’s had a presence in all the Disney parks worldwide:

DL and TDL have the primeval world diorama on their respective railroads; DL, MK, and TDL have dinosaur bones on Big Thunder; DLP has the bones in the geyser area along the river; Epcot had them in Universe of Energy; DHS has Dinosaur Gertie; DCA had Dinosaur Jack’s Sunglass Shack; TDS has a triceratops skull on some shipping crates in the American Waterfront; WDSP had the Dinotopia set along the tram route; and of course DAK has/had Dinoland USA with Chester & Hester’s Dinorama. To my knowledge HKDL didn’t have a permanent dinosaur presence at opening, but Lucky the Dinosaur was there for a while, and there’s a fiberglass Rex statue in their Toy Story Land (duplicates of which are also in SDL and DHS).

Strangely, it seems like they’re slowly but surely removing many of these elements, often taking out the more prominent and story-integrated ones (Universe of Energy, Dinoland, Dinosaur Jack, Dinotopia) and leaving the ones that are little more than set dressing (BTMRR, American Waterfront). While I don’t think they are actively trying to erase dinosaurs from the parks, it is curious that so many dinosaur-related elements have been removed worldwide. It’s odd to think that in the span of a few years, WDW will go from having 4 parks with dinosaurs down to 2, with both the full land and standalone major attraction being removed, while only the seasonal snack bar and set dressing remain.


Similarly, at opening DAK had two “lands” based in the US (Dinoland USA and Camp Minnie Mickey), both of which have been/will be removed. While the replacement lands will probably feel more exotic compared to the daily lives of most guests, it’s hard not to notice that it leads to park that feels less diverse overall, with all the lands relying heavily on “jungle” components, rather than highlighting other ecosystems and environments of the natural world that could create a more varied park atmosphere for guests to enjoy over the course of a day.

I’m not sure what to make of the significance of these changes, but in a way it seems like a certain era of the parks has been quietly coming to an end.
uhh technically Epcot still mentions dinosaurs in the Guardians attraction and the Dino head is still in full site at AK. But yeah overall dinosaurs have gone extinct
 

ToTBellHop

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From left to right:

Maryann Smith: Vice President - Disney’s Animal Kingdom
Humberto Kam: Senior Producer
Joan Hartwig: Executive Creative Director
Courtney Zurich: Principal Project Manager
they just went with whomever happened to be by the water cooler in the break room at that moment? Vaughn was in the restroom?
 

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