News 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

Streetway

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Dinoland is a lost cause sans the DINOSAUR ride area
Do you mean CTE the ride on its own? I think maybe the individual ride itself could’ve lived on with a MASSIVE overhaul, IE. New animatronics, filling the dark spaces, updates like that. Just so it isn’t darkness half the time. The ride, unlike most of dinoland as a whole, wasn’t really a lost cause and needed a bit of love to stay around. Oh well though.

My idea always was a sort of calming boat ride through scenes of animatronics of extinct animals and scenes of prehistoric times. Almost an “extinct animals safari” as a mirror to kilamanjaro.
 

Jayspency

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No
Do you mean CTE the ride on its own? I think maybe the individual ride itself could’ve lived on with a MASSIVE overhaul, IE. New animatronics, filling the dark spaces, updates like that. Just so it isn’t darkness half the time. The ride, unlike most of dinoland as a whole, wasn’t really a lost cause and needed a bit of love to stay around. Oh well though.

My idea always was a sort of calming boat ride through scenes of animatronics of extinct animals and scenes of prehistoric times. Almost an “extinct animals safari” as a mirror to kilamanjaro.
Funny how that was the idea that led to CTX
 

Bocabear

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Well, we really don't know what the second attraction is for the Cars Land Auto Parts Mountain area is....and we really have no certainty of what anything is for the Villains land except maybe a coaster as seen in the very vague artwork...
 

AidenRodriguez731

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Well, we really don't know what the second attraction is for the Cars Land Auto Parts Mountain area is....and we really have no certainty of what anything is for the Villains land except maybe a coaster as seen in the very vague artwork...
We have seen a roller coaster so much that they decided to put it twice in the same concept art, seems more solid than a lot of things. But something close to the scale of RSR + Junkyard Jamboree would definitely have higher capacity compared to current ROA.
 

Disstevefan1

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Villains when its done 15 years from now WILL BE AN EXPANSION, but I was not even thinking of Villains since is so far in the future, but yes.

I guess in "Disney rationalizationland", the filling in of ROA, the destruction of TSI and removal of the riverboat and replacing these with Cars is an expansion and not a "destroy and replace" since it will be more popular and Disney can sell more LL for it.

Encanto sounds like it will be a good LL seller, but I loved Primeval Whirl, but then again, I am dumb so...
 

Moth

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Do you mean CTE the ride on its own? I think maybe the individual ride itself could’ve lived on with a MASSIVE overhaul, IE. New animatronics, filling the dark spaces, updates like that. Just so it isn’t darkness half the time. The ride, unlike most of dinoland as a whole, wasn’t really a lost cause and needed a bit of love to stay around. Oh well though.

My idea always was a sort of calming boat ride through scenes of animatronics of extinct animals and scenes of prehistoric times. Almost an “extinct animals safari” as a mirror to kilamanjaro.
Yes, the ride and the path (with the Sue the T.rex cast and crocodile) to it are fine and, due to the fact the Carnotaurus was found in South America, could've still fit in Tropical Americas. I would've gone down with a Prehistoric-themed redo, focused on Prehistoric Mammalian life for the ride itself, since the mammals found in Prehistoric SA are more iconic (giant sloths, sabertooths, mastodons, giant armadillos), and you can probably get an Ice Age IP tie-in area in the post-show or something.

A boat ride treads too much on River Adventure in IOA but I see where your coming from and would love that.

Moth does not play around with Armchair Imagineering regarding dinosaurs.
 

Streetway

Well-Known Member
Yes, the ride and the path (with the Sue the T.rex cast and crocodile) to it are fine and, due to the fact the Carnotaurus was found in South America, could've still fit in Tropical Americas. I would've gone down with a Prehistoric-themed redo, focused on Prehistoric Mammalian life for the ride itself, since the mammals found in Prehistoric SA are more iconic (giant sloths, sabertooths, mastodons, giant armadillos), and you can probably get an Ice Age IP tie-in area in the post-show or something.

A boat ride treads too much on River Adventure in IOA but I see where your coming from and would love that.

Moth does not play around with Armchair Imagineering regarding dinosaurs.
Those ideas all sound cool. They could’ve kept the intstitue theming ,
but in South America now! It’s so far apart separated. The ride shouldve hypothetically some extra stuff. This is where screens come in, because they could’ve put some in the thinner hallways where animatronics couldn’t go. I do love the idea of more prehistoric Animals too in the ride. I feel carno would have to stay in any update tho, he’s the big iconic one. Dinosaurs have so much potential and are just plain awesome. I do not play either. Dinos deserve to exist at DAK.

Edit: also, if they wanted to switch it up, maybe make the queue and exterior more “dig site” than an institute? So you are actually going where the fossils were millions of years ago?
 

Brer Panther

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My idea is that they can separate the land into 2 areas. One being the Dino institute and the other possibly being a lush jungle environment with dinosaurs instead of them being extinct in the current version of the area. This would clash with the story of DINOSAUR but I’m sure imagineering can separate the 2 and come up with a story that make the 2 areas feel cohesive. Maybe put a coaster or boat ride in there too
That's what I feel too. They can also include something Ice Age if there HAS to be IP in there.
Dinos deserve to exist at DAK.
Testify!
 

TrainsOfDisney

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realistically what could’ve been done to save the land as “Dinoland”?
The entire land or 1/2 the land?

Keeping Dinosaur and the restaurant would be easy and then have Tropical Americas next door…. With the money saved plus dinosaur and make the Encanto ride all the better.
 

Streetway

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The entire land or 1/2 the land?

Keeping Dinosaur and the restaurant would be easy and then have Tropical Americas next door…. With the money saved plus dinosaur and make the Encanto ride all the better.
in my mind: give Dino a test track style update where it’s still the same ride but with new technology and more stuff where there was darkness. The rest is trop and the is retconned to be located in the new village. Fossils and all that. Restaurant gets an update, idk if it’s still the institute.
 

WorldExplorer

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I know a lot of people want dinosaurs to remain at DAK: realistically what could’ve been done to save the land as “Dinoland”? Personally, while I would’ve loved to see “the excavator” happen, I don’t think it would really be the best option for DAK as it is today.

I maintain that the carnival has merit.

- Make the games an interactive entertainment thing. Within the official Dinoland story, they're all Chester and Hester's cousins; lean into that, hire actors instead of sticking merchandise CMs that clearly did not sign up for that in there, make it like Citizens of Hollywood but you can win a prize from it. Give the actors dinosaur facts to include in their improvising.
- Child-friendly dinosaur dark ride. Primeval Whirl's concept was that Chester and Hester were cashing in on the Dino-Institute's Time Rovers with their own time travel ride. That would be a great concept for a dark ride! It doesn't need to include the meteor element so it doesn't feel the same. That's where you can shove your more recognizable ones (t-rex, stegasaurus, etc.) for maximum dinosaur profit. It doesn't need to have a Dinosaur level budget, but should have enough money put into it for moving 3D figures. Let's say Journey of the Little Mermaid level.
- Add one more fairground ride with custom assets. Nothing extreme, just something we don't have already. Maybe a tilt-a-whirl.
- Bring back/expand Dino-Diner. Give it a signature novelty fairground food, either with dinosaur decorations or just make it really big and label it "dino sized". The kind of thing that makes the obnoxious people advertise for you on social media.

If need be, I think a simple reskin from the intentionally kooky, rough looking C+H art style to a more generic Disney style on the signs might have been a cheap way to help make the idea more palatable. Paint over/remove the fake asphalt, proper planters instead of tires and license plates. While I really enjoy what they were going for, I think the joke either flew over a lot of people's heads or they just didn't like it. Chester and Hester can spend a bit more money on their park and keep the general idea.

Okay, now here's the crazy part; I would actually spend some money marketing specifically Dinoland. They already make shorts for their collectathon plush lines (e.g. Munchlings). Do that with the Rama plushes. Use that as an intro to the land for people to help explain the story of Dinoland. Nothing fancy or complex, just like six two minute silent animated comedy shorts, don't intentionally make them advertisements but make sure they all take place in different parts of the land. Easily accessible, shareable content featuring three extremely popular dinosaurs in a distinct, appealing art style (the plush designs are just begging to be cartoons). Put them on Youtube and mix them in with the Resort TV cartoon loop they play in quick services. Disney Plus, too; might as well.

Emphasize the family friendly dinosaur angle with the recognizable species in a medium that catches the attention of kids. A lower budget version of making movies out of rides. It doesn't need to be a permanent thing or something regularly updated, just a marketing push to emphasize that a land is being revitalized.

Then I would add some form of "living dinosaur" experience somewhere; for story purposes it would probably need to be outside of the carnival. Something herbivorous presented as docile. Preferably an igaunadon, but that might be too much effort to pull off.

Dinosaur can still be there as the option for the more adventurous dinosaur fans, but the idea would be to pitch it as a more fully realized dinosaur-themed family friendly land, with six experiences (three C+H rides, games, Boneyard, real dinosaur, potentially also Dino-Bash) that are all good for kids but have a good amount of variety.

If the carnival absolutely cannot be used, just expand the Boneyard theme. Big rock walls with fossils in them. Use it as either the facade for a tame dinosaur dark ride or just build the Excavator. I mean, Hollywood Studios definitely doesn't need more thrill rides but is getting one, so why not Animal Kingdom?
 
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TrainsOfDisney

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I think including dinosaurs is going to inevitably hit the problem of not being like the other parts of the park; they just can't be presented the same way for obvious reasons.
I disagree with that - the original Dinosaur, Dig Site and Restaurant work well with the park and of course the Dig Site Coaster would have tied it all together.

It’s the carnival that is so jarring…. Again that was partially by design but I get why so many people are against it. It’s a stretch to make it work at a Disney park.
 

Nickm2022

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I disagree with that - the original Dinosaur, Dig Site and Restaurant work well with the park and of course the Dig Site Coaster would have tied it all together.

It’s the carnival that is so jarring…. Again that was partially by design but I get why so many people are against it. It’s a stretch to make it work at a Disney park.
I completely agree! I also think that in general the land just felt so out of place compared to the other lands in the park. That said I am excited for Tropical America's, and am going to Animal Kingdom and (for the first time) seeing it decorated for Christmas for one last ride on Dino.
 

Marc Davis Fan

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...the original Dinosaur, Dig Site and Restaurant work well with the park and of course the Dig Site Coaster would have tied it all together.

It’s the carnival that is so jarring…. Again that was partially by design but I get why so many people are against it. It’s a stretch to make it work at a Disney park.

Indeed, I think one of the biggest issues with the carnival is that you shouldn't have to understand the backstory of a land in order to appreciate it.

One thing Imagineers have said about Disney environments over the years is that they should work both for guests who are experiencing them casually (without paying attention to the backstory) and for guests who want to dive deep into the backstory.

In the case of Dino-Rama: If you learned / figured out the backstory, it at least makes sense and is technically immersive. If you didn't learn / figure out the backstory - which I'd hazard to guess was the vast majority of guests - it really did seem like Disney threw all its design principles out the window and built a Six Flags -level amusement park area. Indeed, I've actually read reviews that said things like "wow, Disney didn't even bother to remove the parking space lines."

They could have made it clearer by doing things like, say, having a big sign at the entrance to Dinoland reading "welcome to our small town where big fossils were discovered and The Dino Institute was founded." That would have at least made things less bad.

Of course, even aside from all this, it simply clashed with the aesthetic of the park - and the calming/reassurance/non-chaotic aesthetic/feeling that Disney parks aim for in general.
 

Gusey

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What's quite ironic is that it was Michael Eisner's demand for a Dinoland that shaped the park we know it today. Before he said that, Animal Kingdom was going to have areas dedicated to research, rather than Geographical based lands. I do think Tropical Americas will fit into the park better and just hope we get some animal exhibits announcements soon
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
I do not understand why Disney is moving away from dinosaurs?

I guess they are just letting Universal own dinosaurs with their Jurassic Park IP.

Disney twice failed to make a popular dinosaur movie (and Fox didn't do much better). While Universal ran away with that genre.

So... under the IP mandate.... no dinosaur rides or lands. They did indeed give up. Probably for the best.
 

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