Eddie Sotto's take on the current state of the parks

[jt04]

You're right...I'll stick to my day job. Have a great weekend.

I imagine you have heard of this but just in case....

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

It's a bit too "utopian" for me but has nice artwork and concepts.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

I imagine you have heard of this but just in case....

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

It's a bit too "utopian" for me but has nice artwork and concepts.

:lol::sohappy:


Who stole the plans for E.P.C.O.T.!?


It'll never work....Maybe they will make a park.:lol: VENUS Center, anyone!?

 

[robbwilder]

Just speaking for myself, but when I talk about bringing Epcot Center back, I am not talking about the original rides. I'm talking about what FW represented when the park opened. And that is the view that innovation and free markets create improvements to our quality of life. Nowadays we are told corporations are the great evil in the land and only pollute and plot ways to take money.

Here is th best example I can think of and one of the easiest. Rewrite the storyline of Test Track to be a test of self navigating vehicle technology which is at least 20 years away but is fun to think about. It would be easy to have a story where the inevitable "testing" goes wrong and the vehicle computer decides it's bored with the testing and goes on a joy ride, with guests in tow. So a fun, futuristic technology is introduced in a creative way and it's also a thrill ride. It also could have humor by poking fun and making "inside jokes" about Test Tracks original problems.

This would not only "placate" the traditionalists, these type fun and informative views of the future would thrill the "masses".

I agree that Epcot is loosing its oringinal opening purpose and Im not bashing that idea but ....

What you just described though could easily be turned into a Cars Ride. The inside could be radiator springs and chick is trying to prevent you from making the race and at the end you make the big race and win.

With a loss of a GM Sponsership you never know..

We already have Nemo in there. Imagine your Future with Figment and the Robinsons. The best way to see The Land is UP! Join woody buzz and the gang as they explore China to see the orgin of how toys are mass Produced. Eat dinner with Rattatioui in France. Pretty soon its just Walt Disney's Pixar Park featuring the World Showcase.

Test track can still be educational but they should show mock up of tomorrows technology like you are talking about. Simulated Car riding on air. how hydrogen powered cars work. etc...

Epcot is on the verge of losing its way.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

I agree that Epcot is loosing its oringinal opening purpose and Im not bashing that idea but ....

What you just described though could easily be turned into a Cars Ride. The inside could be radiator springs and chick is trying to prevent you from making the race and at the end you make the big race and win.

With a loss of a GM Sponsership you never know..

We already have Nemo in there. Imagine your Future with Figment and the Robinsons. The best way to see The Land is UP! Join woody buzz and the gang as they explore China to see the orgin of how toys are mass Produced. Eat dinner with Rattatioui in France. Pretty soon its just Walt Disney's Pixar Park featuring the World Showcase.

Test track can still be educational but they should show mock up of tomorrows technology like you are talking about. Simulated Car riding on air. how hydrogen powered cars work. etc...

Epcot is on the verge of losing its way.

Ugh...:brick: I pray not. They could take the higher ground...and so much easily...

 

[jt04]

I agree that Epcot is loosing its oringinal opening purpose and Im not bashing that idea but ....

What you just described though could easily be turned into a Cars Ride. The inside could be radiator springs and chick is trying to prevent you from making the race and at the end you make the big race and win.

With a loss of a GM Sponsership you never know..

We already have Nemo in there. Imagine your Future with Figment and the Robinsons. The best way to see The Land is UP! Join woody buzz and the gang as they explore China to see the orgin of how toys are mass Produced. Eat dinner with Rattatioui in France. Pretty soon its just Walt Disney's Pixar Park featuring the World Showcase.

Test track can still be educational but they should show mock up of tomorrows technology like you are talking about. Simulated Car riding on air. how hydrogen powered cars work. etc...

Epcot is on the verge of losing its way.

I don't know. It needs to be made "forward" looking without gutting the entire attraction. Whether it was presented as an electric or hydrogen vehicle would only illicit an, "oh, that's nice" reaction I think. What type of propulsion system it uses would be tough to relate to the guest in a meaningful way. But, I think a futuristic navigation system run by a computer that talks to the guests (and plays music) is relateable and is immersive. Serious technology should be reserved for the post show in my opinion.

As for "Epcot is on the verge of losing it's way", I think you are about 20 years late to that party. It's been losing it's way for a long time. But there are real indications that the tide is turning. Too bad for you, you can't see it. By the way you are not alone in your opinion. But I see it, and know it's happening. :wave:

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

I don't know. It needs to be made "forward" looking without gutting the entire attraction. Whether it was presented as an electric or hydrogen vehicle would only illicit an, "oh, that's nice" reaction I think. What type of propulsion system it uses would be tough to relate to the guest in a meaningful way. But, I think a futuristic navigation system run by a computer that talks to the guests (and plays music) is relateable and is immersive. Serious technology should be reserved for the post show in my opinion.

As for "Epcot is on the verge of losing it's way", I think you are about 20 years late to that party. It's been losing it's way for a long time. But there are real indications that the tide is turning. Too bad for you, you can't see it. By the way you are not alone in your opinion. But I see it, and know it's happening. :wave:

EPCOT was loosing it's way in 1989?:lookaroun

 

[robbwilder]

I don't know. It needs to be made "forward" looking without gutting the entire attraction. Whether it was presented as an electric or hydrogen vehicle would only illicit an, "oh, that's nice" reaction I think. What type of propulsion system it uses would be tough to relate to the guest in a meaningful way. But, I think a futuristic navigation system run by a computer that talks to the guests (and plays music) is relateable and is immersive. Serious technology should be reserved for the post show in my opinion.

As for "Epcot is on the verge of losing it's way", I think you are about 20 years late to that party. It's been losing it's way for a long time. But there are real indications that the tide is turning. Too bad for you, you can't see it. By the way you are not alone in your opinion. But I see it, and know it's happening. :wave:

Please elaborate on how the tide is turning and what you see then?

 

[jt04]

EPCOT was loosing it's way in 1989?:lookaroun

When Eisner had the opinion poll deal put into Communicore my alarm bells went off. Not that it was a bad concept, but it indicated he did not see Epcot as a personal experience to the average guest. Wrong! This blog is "right on" in how Eisner could not relate to Epcot. So I should have said 25 years to be more accurate. Sorry for the error.

You must read this......(it's mostly correct IMO)

http://progresscityusa.com/

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

When Eisner had the opinion poll deal put into Communicore my alarm bells went off. Not that it was a bad concept, but it indicated he did not see Epcot as a personal experience to the average guest. Wrong! This blog is "right on" in how Eisner could not relate to Epcot. So I should have said 25 years to be more accurate. Sorry for the error.

You must read this......(it's mostly correct IMO)

http://progresscityusa.com/

I see what you mean...Awesome site. Never been there before./shocked.:lol:

 

[jt04]

Please elaborate on how the tide is turning and what you see then?

I would but I am not up for a debate right now and your question is setting one up. I recommend a visit to the SSE post show and the new and, for the most part, popular adds to Innoventions....

....and then there is that retro paint job to Energy.....

And did I mention WS is looking marvelous.

Stay tuned....

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

I would but I am not up for a debate right now and your question is setting one up. I recommend a visit to the SSE post show and the new and, for the most part, popular adds to Innoventions....

....and then there is that retro paint job to Energy.....

And did I mention WS is looking marvelous.

Stay tuned....

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• Project Tomorrow: Yes. That's a good thing
• Innoventions: Where? What? No idea here...
• Energy: Maintenece...But with a Twist. I agree.:lol:
• WS: Maint? :lol:

 

[robbwilder]

I would but I am not up for a debate right now and your question is setting one up. I recommend a visit to the SSE post show and the new and, for the most part, popular adds to Innoventions....

....and then there is that retro paint job to Energy.....

And did I mention WS is looking marvelous.

Stay tuned....

You mistake me for others here. Im not looking for debate just what to look for. I must say I agree with your opinions on here moreso than some of the others that you have .. "DEBATED"...

 

[robbwilder]

When Eisner had the opinion poll deal put into Communicore my alarm bells went off. Not that it was a bad concept, but it indicated he did not see Epcot as a personal experience to the average guest. Wrong! This blog is "right on" in how Eisner could not relate to Epcot. So I should have said 25 years to be more accurate. Sorry for the error.

You must read this......(it's mostly correct IMO)

http://progresscityusa.com/

Good read started to loose me on the Inconvienent Lie part though ..

 

[jt04]

Good read started to loose me on the Inconvienent Lie part though ..

Yep me too. The environment is a legitimate topic for Future World but NOT as seen through the eyes of a hack politician or dishonest and alarmist "scientists".

If a person is truly concerned about the future of the planet and believes that carbon emissions can destroy the planet, then logic says that same person would be demanding a huge ramp up in the use of a proven technology, nuclear power! And yet they don't. Therefore you can rest assured, the man is 100% phony!

*steps off soap box*

 

[Missing20K]

When Eisner had the opinion poll deal put into Communicore my alarm bells went off. Not that it was a bad concept, but it indicated he did not see Epcot as a personal experience to the average guest. Wrong! This blog is "right on" in how Eisner could not relate to Epcot. So I should have said 25 years to be more accurate. Sorry for the error.

You must read this......(it's mostly correct IMO)

http://progresscityusa.com/

So essentially what you are saying is Epcot started to lose it's way almost from the day it opened? Or are you saying EPCOT as the concept was lost almost from the time it became a theme park instead of an attempt at a utopian city? Not debating here, just hoping for some clarification.

Oh, and here is a video of Eddie's SoapBox Racers (what was the official name Eddie?) in case anyone else, like me, had never ridden or seen it before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSdoNqvhfHw&feature=channel_page

 

[jt04]

So essentially what you are saying is Epcot started to lose it's way almost from the day it opened? Or are you saying EPCOT as the concept was lost almost from the time it became a theme park instead of an attempt at a utopian city? Not debating here, just hoping for some clarification.

Oh, and here is a video of Eddie's SoapBox Racers (what was the official name Eddie?) in case anyone else, like me, had never ridden or seen it before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSdoNqvhfHw&feature=channel_page

I'm just saying that I agree with the progresscity blogger that it lost it's way when Eisner canceled phase 2 (or most of it) and never looked back at the original concept, which I suspect he personally did not like. I do agree with Eisner's decision to add "thrill" rides to the park, but I abhor his decision to not include Epcot Center-ish storylines. That needs to be fixed as soon as possible. I think removing the wand and the SSE refurb are definite indications that Epcot is being turned around.

 

[Horizonsfan]

Good read started to loose me on the Inconvienent Lie part though ..

Yep me too. The environment is a legitimate topic for Future World but NOT as seen through the eyes of a hack politician or dishonest and alarmist "scientists".

If a person is truly concerned about the future of the planet and believes than carbon emissions can destroy the planet, then logic says that same person would be demanding a huge ramp up in the use of a proven technology, nuclear power! And yet they don't. Therefore you can rest assured, the man is 100% phony!

*steps off soap box*

Two things:

#1: Not everyone shares your view point. Your statements are just an invitation to a very ugly debate
#2: If you feel you need to rant on about Al Gore and Climate Change go somewhere else. This isn't even close to the right place.

 

[Ragetti]

I'm just saying that I agree with the progresscity blogger that it lost it's way when Eisner canceled phase 2 (or most of it) and never looked back at the original concept, which I suspect he personally did not like. I do agree with Eisner's decision to add "thrill" rides to the park, but I abhor his decision to not include Epcot Center-ish storylines. That needs to be fixed as soon as possible. I think removing the wand and the SSE refurb are definite indications that Epcot is being turned around.

I find some of the Blogger's comments..... questionable. I think both Test Track and Mission: Space are improvements. I'd like to see more attractions like those. I was never a huge fan of the "original EPCOT Center" concept, in that such approaches are doomed to be quickly outdated, and very expensive to keep updated. However, losing the original JII is simply unforgivable! That ride was GREAT! The new SSE is much improved, even if still pretty Western-centric (HELLO!!! NO mention of the Chinese printing presses? The ride suggests Gutenburg did it all on his lonesome!) but at least they no longer make the perposterous claim that the Egyptians invented writing! If they can finish the descent, it'll be a great ride.

 

[jt04]

Two things:

#1: Not everyone shares your view point. Your statements are just an invitation to a very ugly debate
#2: If you feel you need to rant on about Al Gore and Climate Change go somewhere else. This isn't even close to the right place.

I'm not trying to open a debate. Just pointing out the obvious.

Whenever somone suggests that Future World needs exhibits that reflect a political viewoint and opinion, I plan to add my opinion. That is what forums are all about.

And I never suggested I expect everyone to agree with me. Obviously many don't. But the earth's temperatures have never been static. Never, ever, never, never, never, ever.....ever....never. The climate has always "changed", it just seems as though the news has taken awhile to get to certain hills and hollows of Tennessee. :lol:

:wave:

Y'all take care now. Stay cool :ROFLOL:

 

[robbwilder]

Two things:

#1: Not everyone shares your view point. Your statements are just an invitation to a very ugly debate
#2: If you feel you need to rant on about Al Gore and Climate Change go somewhere else. This isn't even close to the right place.

So I shouldnt mention that intelligent design should be presented in the Universe of Energy as a counter to big bang?