Eddie Sotto's take on the current state of the parks

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techiegsy

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Who says I haven't? :drevil:


I'd settle for just one park however. And a budget of 1 Billion Dollars.

*leans back in imagineering armchair to scheme*

Does this armchair have special boards for drawing and somewhere to write all your ideas... If so I need to get me one...

Quick question to Mr. Sotto, Who exactly designs park lighting, is this a special department or done by the ride/show designer? Just been something I'm interested in...

And welcome!! :wave: (oh dear the waving escaped from the Space Thread)
 

Eddie Sotto

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Lighting Designer

Quick question to Mr. Sotto, Who exactly designs park lighting, is this a special department or done by the ride/show designer? Just been something I'm interested in...

At WDI there is a themed lighting department (or at least there was). There is such a position as a lighting designer. They specify lighting that is both functional like a downlight and or themed like a flickering chandelier. There may be theatrical lighting in a dark ride that they would have to deal with as well. LD's usually work directly with the interior designer and or the project architect, but must meet the design intent as overseen by the show producer or show designer. This person has to have a pretty broad and up to date knowledge of energy codes and new products as they have to be good at both attraction lighting and architectural. This is an area that will "make or break" your show. Bad lighting can be a disaster. Not an easy job.

Outside companies do nothing but lighting design, like this ex WDI group.
http://www.visualterrain.net/
 

EPCOT Explorer

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At WDI there is a themed lighting department (or at least there was). There is such a position as a lighting designer. They specify lighting that is both functional like a downlight and or themed like a flickering chandelier. There may be theatrical lighting in a dark ride that they would have to deal with as well. LD's usually work directly with the interior designer and or the project architect, but must meet the design intent as overseen by the show producer or show designer. This person has to have a pretty broad and up to date knowledge of energy codes and new products as they have to be good at both attraction lighting and architectural. This is an area that will "make or break" your show. Bad lighting can be a disaster. Not an easy job.

Outside companies do nothing but lighting design, like this ex WDI group.
http://www.visualterrain.net/
Very interesting!
:D
What do these teams do now, or at another time when there is nothing to work on in WDW?
 

HMF

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Eddie' What was the logic of reversing sides for Adventureland and Frontierland for DLP?
 

Eddie Sotto

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Eddie' What was the logic of reversing sides for Adventureland and Frontierland for DLP?

Great question. Hmmmm. I can't say I have the exact answer but will speculate a bit and try and recall. There are probably many reasons that are driven by creative, guest circulation and mix of attractions. DL and DLP are very different in content too as you have no Critter Country and no NOS.

Thus, it may have to do with the fact that "Pirates" is in Adventureland and the huge show building would fit properly against the berm as a "perimeter" attraction straddling the RR, and that there is no Jungle Cruise to take up the real estate behind Main Street.

The Grand Canyon Diorama is in fact a creative driver of switching lands because TB wanted you to see the Grand Canyon diorama from the RR first, then you'd emerge from the tunnel to see the real red rocks of BTM on the horizon. WOW! A great idea that really works for the train. It's also possible that the waterway itself drove some of this as BTM is on the island in the river and that Adventure Isle is interconnected to that waterway. If I had to pick my favorite reason to do it, I'd vote for the train argument. Also that the architecture of Frontierland looks enough like Main Street, so if you see the spires of one area from another, it still themes in as a transition. I recall being grateful for that..
 

NadieMasK2

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Mr. Sotto - thank you for joining our boards! Your posts are so interesting....it's like the holy grail of fanboydom to hear directly from an imagineer.

I liked your comment about Sharon Disney's kids seeing Walt's photo and saying "it's Grandpa!" That's exactly how I would have felt, too. But to them, he was just Grandpa. That's sweet. :)
 

Eddie Sotto

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"Hey..it's grandpa!"

Mr. Sotto - thank you for joining our boards! Your posts are so interesting....it's like the holy grail of fanboydom to hear directly from an imagineer.

I liked your comment about Sharon Disney's kids seeing Walt's photo and saying "it's Grandpa!" That's exactly how I would have felt, too. But to them, he was just Grandpa. That's sweet. :)

Sweet as it was, to me it was all kinda "messed up" to be that close to the whole thing. I stood there just watching them and they were in the ultimate D23. Here are the REAL Disneys! I can't touch that. Never a Soprano. Maybe I was jealous? Like seeing your teacher in the supermarket, the context changes everything and makes them real. He can't be THEIR grandpa because he's "Walt", he's the world's Grandpa. I guess I didn't really want to see him belong to anyone or was shocked that he did. It almost ruins the whole "Walt" thing to get so personal and take ownership (look who's messed up now). Ok. I got over it really quick and gave them the rest of the tour. Sharon Disney loved it all and said her Dad would have been proud of the Restaurant that bears his name. Enough for me, the now super distant Imagineer foamer fanboy wannabe poser relative. The "grandkids" were pleased, let's move on.

P.S. - It's too cold to grow enough tropical plants and make a good JC in Europe.
 

EPCOT Explorer

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Sweet as it was, to me it was all kinda "messed up" to be that close to the whole thing. I stood there just watching them and they were in the ultimate D23. Here are the REAL Disneys! I can't touch that. Never a Soprano. Maybe I was jealous? Like seeing your teacher in the supermarket, the context changes everything and makes them real. He can't be THEIR grandpa because he's "Walt", he's the world's Grandpa. I guess I didn't really want to see him belong to anyone or was shocked that he did. It almost ruins the whole "Walt" thing to get so personal and take ownership (look who's messed up now). Ok. I got over it really quick and gave them the rest of the tour. Sharon Disney loved it all and said her Dad would have been proud of the Restaurant that bears his name. Enough for me, the now super distant Imagineer foamer fanboy wannabe poser relative. The "grandkids" were pleased, let's move on.

P.S. - It's too cold to grow enough tropical plants and make a good JC in Europe.

Very interesting.:D

And do they have something equal to/replacing JC? I know HKDL has Festival of the Lion King...
 

jt04

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Sweet as it was, to me it was all kinda "messed up" to be that close to the whole thing. I stood there just watching them and they were in the ultimate D23. Here are the REAL Disneys! I can't touch that. Never a Soprano. Maybe I was jealous? Like seeing your teacher in the supermarket, the context changes everything and makes them real. He can't be THEIR grandpa because he's "Walt", he's the world's Grandpa. I guess I didn't really want to see him belong to anyone or was shocked that he did. It almost ruins the whole "Walt" thing to get so personal and take ownership (look who's messed up now). Ok. I got over it really quick and gave them the rest of the tour. Sharon Disney loved it all and said her Dad would have been proud of the Restaurant that bears his name. Enough for me, the now super distant Imagineer foamer fanboy wannabe poser relative. The "grandkids" were pleased, let's move on.

P.S. - It's too cold to grow enough tropical plants and make a good JC in Europe.

Fascinating.

Just wondering if you have a perspective on the lack of major projects going on at WDW. Even the rumor mill has gone dry. There are projects going on at every other Disney resort but not WDW. The lack of announcements and rumors is the source of much discontent which has been expressed by many on these boards. I think DVC owners are starting to get concerned.

I know you can't reveal any proprietary information you may have, just wanted to get your take on WDW's next 5 to 10 years and if we can expect anything substantial besides completion of the monorail build out and a 5th gate. Just kidding on the last part.

Thanks.
 

techiegsy

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Very interesting.:D

And do they have something equal to/replacing JC? I know HKDL has Festival of the Lion King...

I 'spose the nearest thing is the indie coaster... but they do have lots of little things, like the Adventure Isle and Captain Hooks pirate ship, but nothing similar to JC :shrug:

But the park is beautiful so just admire the theming or wonder around the market place area and the aladdin passage, or admire the trees and plants....
 

EPCOT Explorer

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I 'spose the nearest thing is the indie coaster... but they do have lots of little things, like the Adventure Isle and Captain Hooks pirate ship, but nothing similar to JC :shrug:

But the park is beautiful so just admire the theming or wonder around the market place area and the aladdin passage, or admire the trees and plants....
Right.:D

And yes, from the pictures I've seen, DLP looks fantastically beautiful.:o Fantasyland, the most...Sheesh. Greenery. A Canal. Landscaping around the castle.

DO WANT.:lol:
 

HMF

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Fascinating.

Just wondering if you have a perspective on the lack of major projects going on at WDW. Even the rumor mill has gone dry. There are projects going on at every other Disney resort but not WDW. The lack of announcements and rumors is the source of much discontent which has been expressed by many on these boards. I think DVC owners are starting to get concerned.

I know you can't reveal any proprietary information you may have, just wanted to get your take on WDW's next 5 to 10 years and if we can expect anything substantial besides completion of the monorail build out and a 5th gate. Just kidding on the last part.

Thanks.
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Eddie Sotto

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WDW future.

Fascinating.

Just wondering if you have a perspective on the lack of major projects going on at WDW. Even the rumor mill has gone dry.
I know you can't reveal any proprietary information you may have, just wanted to get your take on WDW's next 5 to 10 years and if we can expect anything substantial besides completion of the monorail build out and a 5th gate. Just kidding on the last part.

Thanks.

You all give me way too much insider credit :-). I've been away for 10 years now and even though I still see some of my longtime WDI friends, we try to keep the lunch topics away from shoptalk. I only know what I see online. I'm better with WDI history. You guys know more for sure.

As to the future, I can only speculate based on probably less insider info than you already have. Obviously, money is tight, but having said that, they are spending it and lots of it, but only where they have to. WDW has a built in audience so they probably feel that when tourism picks up (as the Dollar drops lower and lower) they will get the pent up demand back as in the past. Look at how much it probably cost just to rename the MGM Studios. Millions in signage, etc. Or to keep up with the Downtown Disney vacancy , PI, etc. It all adds up. They are building more Cruise Ships, that is a massive tab. Does not leave that much for other things. "Hall of Presidents" isn't free either. All these upgrades get expensive because they redo the projection, audio, lighting, etc. I bet the total fiscal year spend out there based on tons of smaller projects and hotel expansion is pretty huge.

I think that is one of the biggest issues for WDW going forward. The cost of maintaining it is so huge (just in dryrot!) that it ends up eating at Capital for new projects when times are lean. The whole busing thing is "broken" as well and getting around is a nightmare and ends up losing the company money as the audience is not spending when they are lost in the ozone of the bus network waiting around. That's expensive to fix as well. They should IMHO close some hotels (like in Europe) for a season (clean them up in a deep rehab) and save money there so the other hotels are staffed correctly and the show does not suffer.

The other big one that affects new shows is attracting or losing sponsors. That is huge $$ for the company and tougher than ever. In this economy renewing sponsorships IMHO is next to impossible unless the sponsor sells their stuff at WDW. Coke stays... but GM, or HP? Yeah right. New attractions $$$ like Mission:Space or GM Test Track are mostly capitalized by that sponsor revenue.

When Universal opens Harry Potter and if it pulls market share away, I'd guess that will fuel (as it has in the past) a more competitive new attraction strategy.

If history is any indicator, they will import new attractions from elsewhere
to amortize the value from the DCA redo. The Cars ride or Mermaid ride if they are good. If they do more parks and innovate some new things for those markets, then there may be something exciting out there. It was too bad that the 20K Subs went away as they could have done something cool given the new interest in 20k movie prequels. Or if cash is still lean, they do spectacular shows instead of rides. I think that Davidson is hot for them so they may Band-Aid the parks with his shows like the "World of Color" fountain thing or similar to keep costs down. EPCOT is harder as it's more difficult to adapt content for that. Soarin' was a stretch but is a big success with guests. The digital initiatives will likely get to be more popular as well, like the "Kim Possible" thing or the in-park R&D stuff that drives guest satisfaction and makes things look fresh.

We are in an unprecedented economic territory right now, and I'm actually surprised that the WDC is doing as much as it is, given their vulnerability and flat stock.

DCA has core placemaking issues so they've dumped huge $$$ into it to bring it up to it's cousin next door, so even DL is suffering from lack of new product. That alone is a big step for them. Long term thinking is rare but in that case they are committed and I'm sure that draws down the pool of cash.

Having spewed all of that uninformed blather, I think Kevin Yee, who lives WDW would give you a better spin. I tried!
 

EPCOT Explorer

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Very interesting, Mr. Sotto. The future could be bright for WDW...Let's hope the economy improves, and TDO makes some educated decisions.
 

jt04

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Very interesting, Mr. Sotto. The future could be bright for WDW...Let's hope the economy improves, and TDO makes some educated decisions.

My hunch is it is out of TDO's hands for the most part which is why bashing TDO on these boards has always seemed petty to me.


Anyway, thanks Mr. Sotto for the response. Maybe Kevin Yee is reading this and he will do some "research". I'm pretty sure he stll has some connections at WDW.

Great Thread!
 
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