Eddie Sotto's take on the current state of the parks (Part II)

misterID

Well-Known Member
Today Apple lost it's Walt. Truly a sad day as Steve's good taste raised the bar of design globally. I actually admire Apple more than Disney and I hope they don't wander the halls saying "What would Steve do?". He'd push everyone harder and strip away every contrivance down to the essence of what works. I have such appreciation for his drive for perfection and making the industry follow that course. He proved that there is a place for great design and that people will pay for it. Like Walt, he did not talk down to us, he led us with new technology and weaned us off the old. I remember the loss of the CD drive on the MB Air because he knew wireless was coming. He led that and was right.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...germore_comment_on_passing_of_steve_jobs.html

The Disney board will miss it's largest shareholder as well. I wish he had been more involved! He leaves a gaping iHole that will be impossible to fill. He left his doughnut shaped "Progress City" HQ for his staff to build and I'm sure they will. Thank you Steve.

"Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep looking. Don't settle. As with all matters of the heart, you'll know when you find it. And, like any great relationship, it just gets better and better as the years roll on."

S.J.
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
I know this is a fanboi sheer geekout, but back in the days of Sony Walkman I used to listen to the Peoplemover music (Magic Highways) on that Atlanta Airport train. I loved riding on that thing.

I think you'll find good company of fanbois here who would have done the same thing :)

Just like I'm sure some will put their ipod on the older peoplemover music riding the new one, or the older Spaceship earth narration (which I should do sometime)
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
Today Apple lost it's Walt. Truly a sad day as Steve's good taste raised the bar of design globally. I actually admire Apple more than Disney and I hope they don't wander the halls saying "What would Steve do?". He'd push everyone harder and strip away every contrivance down to the essence of what works. I have such appreciation for his drive for perfection and making the industry follow that course. He proved that there is a place for great design and that people will pay for it. Like Walt, he did not talk down to us, he led us with new technology and weaned us off the old. I remember the loss of the CD drive on the MB Air because he knew wireless was coming. He led that and was right.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...germore_comment_on_passing_of_steve_jobs.html

The Disney board will miss it's largest shareholder as well. I wish he had been more involved! He leaves a gaping iHole that will be impossible to fill. He left his doughnut shaped "Progress City" HQ for his staff to build and I'm sure they will. Thank you Steve.

I will be honest and say I wasn't really into Apple products until a couple of years ago when I got my first iPhone, and needing to do app development, also my first Mac (mini).

I do now understand why a lot of things Apple did recently were because of Steve Jobs' single vision, and that is a rare commodity in modern business. In fact, knowing what little I do about his departure and return, it seems a miracle for them that he was able to come back and take over...and a renaissance began.

Without Apple, we wouldn't have Windows, and without Apple, we wouldn't have Android, or be as far advanced as we are right now in many ways.

Hopefully the company will continue his goals. Now if they can only get Itunes to be user-friendly (Sorry Steve, just joking!)
 

KevinYee

Well-Known Member
FWIW, i'd like to see a ride that reveals in a story then dramatically ends in Pandora and you get off the ship and explore it yourself like a Tom Sawyer Island experience, filled with interactives and maybe even other rides. Like Kevin's description, (i.e. the indoor Mermaid area at TDS), it's a ride feeding an indoor land. If you did not want to do the ride, maybe you can enter another way so this is not forced on you, but I would love to see someone do that right. This has not been done because there is the argument that the capacity of the ride limits the land or it's going down, but you could have more than one way to get there.

We tried to make the JC take you to Indy at DL, dropping you off at the distant Temple in the Jungle (African Veldt) with a footpath back, that way if the JC went down or you need to meet someone there, etc. you could.

The Wild Arctic ride at SeaWorld Orlando does this. You take the "ride" (it's a simulator) and that transports you to a new place that you then explore. But I'd want Pandora to be a million times larger. I'm thinking at least twice the size of Mermaid Lagoon, maybe more. And everything ought to look like just forest... until you get up close. Definitely keep the second-story view over the whole land when you get there, though. That was Mermaid Lagoon's best feature.
 

Lee

Adventurer
For what it's worth...

Using a ride to transport guests to Pandora may be the best way to accomplish the task.

But...if Disney wants to go that route...they might oughta hurry.
The park up the road is thinking along the same line for a little future magic. :lookaroun
 

invader

Well-Known Member
For what it's worth...

Using a ride to transport guests to Pandora may be the best way to accomplish the task.

But...if Disney wants to go that route...they might oughta hurry.
The park up the road is thinking along the same line for a little future magic. :lookaroun

Like a motion simulated train ride from platform 9 3/4 in King's Cross to Hogsmeade? :ROFLOL:
 

Cosmic Commando

Well-Known Member
It will be interesting to see how story driven this transition will be. Part of the magic and power or a world is it's reveal. It's magical appearance or transformation or gradual dissolve from one place to another. Disney parks borrow from the "cross dissolve" in films where each world softly fades over the other with a neutral ground in the middle. We usually use landscaping that is common to both worlds as a bridge and the music fades in and out. Sometimes a portal does this as it does in DL Toontown or the MSUSA RR Station at Disneyland. This is a "fade to black/fade in" type transition. "Dissolves" usually happen in movies because the change if edited directly (smash cut) would be too jarring, so in that respect, so can a land if the premise changes. Tomorrowland just happens, you don't have to take a "Time Machine" to get there, the transition does that, although I'd love that to be one way to arrive.

FWIW, i'd like to see a ride that reveals in a story then dramatically ends in Pandora and you get off the ship and explore it yourself like a Tom Sawyer Island experience, filled with interactives and maybe even other rides. Like Kevin's description, (i.e. the indoor Mermaid area at TDS), it's a ride feeding an indoor land. If you did not want to do the ride, maybe you can enter another way so this is not forced on you, but I would love to see someone do that right. This has not been done because there is the argument that the capacity of the ride limits the land or it's going down, but you could have more than one way to get there.

We tried to make the JC take you to Indy at DL, dropping you off at the distant Temple in the Jungle (African Veldt) with a footpath back, that way if the JC went down or you need to meet someone there, etc. you could.

Just as long as the ride to Pandora has a better capacity than the rafts to Tom Sawyer Island. :lol:

As awesome as the Indy ride that got built is, you guys did some amazing work trying to make it everything it could be. This is one of my favorite pieces of concept art:
indianajonesandthelostexpedition1.jpg
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
I presented that art to management, what a memory. That was when we had an ore car ride, and a jeep ride.

Before Tokyo DisneySea, it seemed that Disney wasn't too confident in making entire lands based on a single franchise. Then in Tokyo there's suddenly an Indy land and a Little Mermaid land, now in the states we're seeing Cars Land and Pandora Land.

A change in direction do you think?
 

Eddie Sotto

Premium Member
... and an interlocking Jungle Cruise, and Disneyland Railroad.

It would have been way more exciting than the Glory Hole inspiration at Knott's!

Yep. I was hoping it would get green lit. The JC would be the pretty much the same with some indy set up. Instead of the veldt scene, that would be the Campsite and Temple. I always thought it would be like "Apocalypse Now" where they arrive deep in the jungle at the temple and this camp lit by generators. But you can get off the boat and others can continue. Like the monorail. You wish them luck. Next to POTC, there would be a small trail leading back so you are not forced to take the boat.
 

Eddie Sotto

Premium Member
Without Apple, we wouldn't have Windows, and without Apple, we wouldn't have Android, or be as far advanced as we are right now in many ways.

Hopefully the company will continue his goals. Now if they can only get Itunes to be user-friendly (Sorry Steve, just joking!)

and.... we wouldn't have the "spinning beach ball of death"..:brick:
 

Eddie Sotto

Premium Member
Hahahahah, what?

"The Glory Hole" refers to a large common area of mining activity in Knott's Calico Mine Ride. Mine Trains wind along the busy cavern's edge and view this large space from several different points of view throughout the ride. Tony and I were inspired by this notion in the design of Indiana Jones as you can create one big impressive temple scene and then return to that common area several times at different levels throughout the show. This site has a map that shows the layout. The CMR is one genius ride layout, created by legend Bud Hurlbut.

http://www.themeparkreview.com/parks/photo.php?pageid=345&linkid=4522
 

Eddie Sotto

Premium Member
On the subject of the Jungle Cruise/Indiana Jones transition you planned, Eddie, I've always felt a little bit puzzled by how it would have worked. Indy and Jungle match up aesthetically because of the 1930s theming that was brought in, but tonally they're quite different (no mother-in-law elephant jokes in Indiana Jones) - how would you have reconciled that?

And also, wouldn't it have essentially been a sacrifice of one of Disneyland's most successful rides? I can understand the desire to build up a big, multi-stage experience, but it sounds as if it would mean Jungle Cruise would no longer have been able to be experienced on its own - it would just become a (huge) preshow for Indy.

What was the ultimate reason the plan wasn't used?

On another note, I remember talk on here about the new Heathrow Airport ULTra pod system. Well, a few friends and I were staying in a hotel within walking distance of Heathrow last week and after getting back at around 11pm decided we walk over and take a ride. They are FANTASTIC. They use amazing boarding stations where you pick your destination on a computer screen, a door opens to your stationary pod, then when you're seated and press go, the pod pulls out into the track and off it shoots. And (after choosing French for the return journey) it even has cool details like the language you pick at the computer console is the language it speaks to you once in the pod and throughout the journey. Oh, and a dynamic graphic showing how far along your journey you are, and how far there is to go. It just feels cool - and I can just imagine picking 'Epcot Area Resorts > Boardwalk' at the end of an evening at Walt Disney World.

In truth, the JC would likely have accessed a part of the temple and viewed something that relates to Indy versus being directly seen by the Indy ride vehicles. The last thing you want is to hear is the JC spiel echoing through the lost temple. The Ore Cars might whiz overhead or something to suggest Indy. The blue sky idea had several incarnations. One was the JC takes you out to the temple which is half walk through, with an ore car or jeep finish. The boats did not come inside. these options got priced and argued for quite a while, but the show was so big it was agreed that the building had to be outside the berm. When the jeep became a simulator then the boat ride slowed went away and we were left with the show building outside the berm and the walk through became the queue. In the end, budget drove some of the final format, and I think it all worked out fine, as the JC is intact and there is an interesting way to get to Indy that gives you the feeling of exploring caves yourself. The bigger vision would have been nice, but there are some issues that would have had to been worked out.

Would love to try the pods at the airport, sounds really fun. Would be a great EPCOT system.
 

LuvtheGoof

DVC Guru
Premium Member
"The Glory Hole" refers to a large common area of mining activity in Knott's Calico Mine Ride. Mine Trains wind along the busy cavern's edge and view this large space from several different points of view throughout the ride. Tony and I were inspired by this notion in the design of Indiana Jones as you can create one big impressive temple scene and then return to that common area several times at different levels throughout the show. This site has a map that shows the layout. The CMR is one genius ride layout, created by legend Bud Hurlbut.

Neat layout! I wonder if the Mine ride in FLE will also have different levels, and a main area that the train goes by multiple times.
 

Eddie Sotto

Premium Member
Neat layout! I wonder if the Mine ride in FLE will also have different levels, and a main area that the train goes by multiple times.

Let's hope it's that complex. I heard the main feature is the leaning or swinging aspect of the ore cars. Should be good if they keep it real.
 

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