G00fyDad
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No. I remember someone here saying about a year ago that Disney was planning on revamping the entire system again. Someone on these forums wouldn't have lied or accidentally been wrong would they?
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nickys
Premium Member
Allowing advance purchase and pre-booking to some degree is all but confirmed. They could also add in some of the features that were considered right at the start. No one knows yet.No. I remember someone here saying about a year ago that Disney was planning on revamping the entire system again. Someone on these forums wouldn't have lied or accidentally been wrong would they?
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
They did make changes to Genie+. Now you can modify your LL without having to cancel one first.No. I remember someone here saying about a year ago that Disney was planning on revamping the entire system again. Someone on these forums wouldn't have lied or accidentally been wrong would they?
doctornick
Well-Known Member
It’s potentially true too that the specifics aren’t even finalized yet so some things might be up in the air at this time. Maybe there is still some debate as to whether to have pre booking be the day before vs weeks or months earlier.
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
I still think unless they completely revamp the system that pre-booking isn't going to change much of the keep it to 1 LL ahead of time.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Yeah and even back with FP+ the advanced reservations were only 60 days out so the earliest they would really have to have it ready to roll out would be the end of October so still at least 5.5 months to get it running. One benefit of advanced FP reservations was they knew which park a lot of guests would be going to. They got that from park reservations once Covid happened. Now that they are getting rid of most park reservations I’m sure it will benefit to have the advance FP reservations back.
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
I agree with that but I don't see it going back to 3 again. It will stay at 1.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Yeah, I don’t know how many. I don’t even know if Disney knows for sure at this point.
From a ride capacity standpoint if they wanted to move it to 3 advanced Genie+ and also keep the Lightning Lane separate it probably works at every park but maybe AK. MK was never an issue on FP capacity plus Tron is new anyway and both DHS and EPCOT have Lightning Lane rides added after FP+ advanced reservations stopped. Taking FoP in AK and removing it from advanced Genie+ to keep in lightning lane makes capacity of the remaining rides a bit of a problem. Of course FP+ existed from 2013 until 2017 when Pandora opened at AK without both Avatar rides so compared to 2013-2016 Genie+ without FoP actually has 1 additional ride.
I think it could be up to 3 advanced Genie+ reservations. I could also see it being less or even tiered based on hotel status. 1 for everyone with a park ticket. 2 for guests at value and moderate and 3 for guests at deluxe. They could also do a hybrid approach where they put half the capacity out there at 60 days for guests who want to plan in advance and the other half the morning of for guests who want to wait to plan.
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
They don't have the capacity to do any of that is the problem. It's a big reason they got rid of FP+.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
It worked fine for 7 years and like I said, capacity in every park is better than it was in 2013 even taking 1 ride out of the mix in each park for LL.
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
Ask @Sirwalterraleigh. IMO it's not limited enough. Too many people have it.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
No it did not. Lazy wasn’t productive and devalued the product.
This is definitive…watch it
Still not the right kinda parks and customers to have high cost/hard cap line skips
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
I know but unless they add a lot more capacity it doesn't work by letting everyone have it. It's why they run out so fast. I remember some one saying Genie+ works best with less then 25% of guests using it each day.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Their goal was to increase price in spurts over a short period of time to get the same effect. But it doesn’t look like they’ll need in in the near term.
Their goal isn’t to add significant capacity because that adds overhead and decreases profits.
Now Iger is in trouble…so I have little doubt he’ll announce some pumped up IP minilands…but not with significant capacity.
It will be the same crap he’s been doing yo fall behind on capacity
GoofGoof
Premium Member
FP+ was a free service so people booked 3 reservations even if they were for rides/shows they didn’t really need, especially with the tiers. Genie+ is a paid service so some people will not pay for it if the only rides available are rides they don’t want. So by default less people will be using it than free FP+. I’d rather know in advance if I will or will not be using Genie+ or Lightning Lane. Waiting until the day of at 7am isn’t ideal.
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I don’t think any capacity issues with genie+ are any worse or better if you allow advance reservations. The same problems exist. FP+ wasn’t perfect but it wasn’t terrible either.
Almost 2 hrs
I don’t think any capacity issues with genie+ are any worse or better if you allow advance reservations. The same problems exist. FP+ wasn’t perfect but it wasn’t terrible either.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I’m aware of the difference…but “3 and out” and booking stuff that shouldn’t be prebooked months in advance were problems. Disney dumped it without fanfare…they rarely do that…so see below.
I know…it a slog. But it has the MATH behind the problem with prebooks and lays out why the original fastpass worked and the second did not.Almost 2 hrs
I don’t think any capacity issues with genie+ are any worse or better if you allow advance reservations. The same problems exist. FP+ wasn’t perfect but it wasn’t terrible either.
FASTPASS + fans assume they killed it because they were greedy. For once that’s not the only reason…it did not work. The system was clogged and there was no way around that.
It’s worth the time if you’re as bored as me
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Charging for it does reduce the clog. The more people that buy in the higher the price and eventually the market works it out. No way people are paying $15-$35 a day if the offerings are 3 rides/shows you don’t need or want.I’m aware of the difference…but “3 and out” and booking stuff that shouldn’t be prebooked months in advance were problems. Disney dumped it without fanfare…they rarely do that…so see below.
I know…it a slog. But it has the MATH behind the problem with prebooks and lays out why the original fastpass worked and the second did not.
FASTPASS + fans assume they killed it because they were greedy. For once that’s not the only reason…it did not work. The system was clogged and there was no way around that.
It’s worth the time if you’re as bored as me
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
That's what they are doing right now though.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Right now if I get on at 7am I know what my first ride will be when I buy but I don’t know what will be left after that. If all the reservations are in advance I know what I’m getting for my money. I’d rather know what I’m getting.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
That was fastpass+
People would make them with no investment and then just let them clog.
“Negative capacity”
Genie has a lot of warts…but it fundamentally discourages THAT until late in the day.
What they should do is drop the lighting lanes and virtual queues and put hard caps on genie that makes standby the vast majority of seats later in the days…
Fundamentally…the best way to push herds through is standby…
But then you have to increase operating hours to handle it and dump the customer fed
STOOPID after hours events.They’d make more money…theres just nobody left that understands that.