EpcotServo
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Wow, I've always wanted to see something like that.jedimaster1227 said:
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Dreamfinder Returning??
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wannab@dis said:
I havn`t, and don`t keep it a secret. My thoughts are based on all the information I have and the research I have done (a LOT)
I thought I`d get this type of response from you - no offence - as I said, its my opinion, and we know yours too. It`s sad todays Epcot could have and should have been so MUCH better, without living in the past either, or sacrificing buisness plans.
Here`s the JII/YI plans as requested - from a previous thread:
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=67784&page=4
Captain Chaos
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Thanks Marni... and WOW, I didn't even notice the difference in track layout for Pooh and Toad...
wannab@dis
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No offense taken or meant. But I think most people would prefer someone reserves judgement until they actually give an attraction a try. No amount of "research" can acurately portray how well an attraction is made. Hopefully, you will have an open mind when you do get a chance to experience them and not judge them soley from a nostalgic could have/should have viewpoint.marni1971 said:
Discussing "could have" or "should have" is fine, but again, that seems to be a personal interpretation and may not have a good business and financial basis.
wannab@dis said:
Oh believe me I will! As soon as we can afford it that is. Nothing is more important to me than to get back to the world. It`s been too long. I was born in the wrong country....
Just to clarify things, I`m not saying the individual attractions are bad attractions (even JIYI would have been good at a non-Disney park) but the replacements don`t have as much imagination or romance (if thats the right description) as the originals did. Nor, probably, the budget. This in turn has fragmented Futreworld as opposed to giving a unified overall theme.
Just out of interest, adjusted for inflation, does anyone know what would $1.2 billion in 1982 prices would be today?
wannab@dis
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Everyone has their opinions... but I think Epcot is MUCH better now than it has been in many, many years... maybe ever. The average guest doesn't look at unified themes or worry about what was replaced. In addition, I don't think the idea that new attractions lack imagination / romance is an accurate statement. But, like I said, each to their own.marni1971 said:
As for inflation costs... according to http://www.westegg.com/inflation/, it would be about $2.5B. About double...
Captain Chaos
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With all this talk about how good the current Journey attraction is as compared to the original... Has anyone taken into consideration that the Imagineers may have had a great attraction planned, but, as was typical in the late 90's early 2000's, budgets were cut and the Imagineers basically told here is 5 bucks, do what you can... We need to remember it isn't always the thought process behind the attraction, but the money that is allocated to the Imagineers to refurb the attraction.... If they were given 100 million to come up with a new ride, then I am sure it would have been amazing...
But, before I blame a budget cut, does anyone know how much was originally allocated to the refurb and how much the Imagineers were actually given???
But, before I blame a budget cut, does anyone know how much was originally allocated to the refurb and how much the Imagineers were actually given???
jedimaster1227
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Budget cuts are only partially to blame...
Captain Chaos
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jedimaster1227 said:
So, you feel the Imagineers were not creative enough? I think a lot has to do with how much they are allowed to spend.. and really, the ride is not horrible... But hey, the Imagineers are human, and they do make mistakes....
wannab@dis
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Why make that statement and not give any more specifics? I can't think of ANY other reason, unless you think there are people at WDI just trying to come up with ways to dissapoint the guests.jedimaster1227 said:
jedimaster1227
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dxer07002 said:
True the ride isn't horrible, in fact I prefer it to several rides at Epcot like Body Wars and Universe of Energy. The best way to say it is through a corny quote from Jurassic Park.
"Instead of taking the path that was right, they took the path that was easy. Soon the time will come for us to decide if we should take the path that is right or the path that is easy..."
Captain Chaos
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jedimaster1227 said:
I will respectfully disagree... I do not think they took the easy way out.. I think they took the road they were FORCED to take... Let's remember, they can only do so much with the limited budget they get... If they were given 100 million as compared to say 15 million to update the attraction, then JIYI would have been a huge knock out....
wannab@dis
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Interesting... You like the new ride better than Body Wars or UoE. However, some people claim that Body Wars was one of the BEST attractions on property. See where I'm going with this? They can't please everyone, but they can try to please the masses. Just because the end result is not your favorite, don't knock it as a failure. In fact, it may be far from a failure for overall guest satisfaction.jedimaster1227 said:
:wave:
Captain Chaos
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wannab@dis said:
I agree with you here.. Unfortunately, attendance deems the ride a success or failure.. and JIYI does not pack them it...
NoNoNoNoNo
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dxer07002 said:
and who knows "WHAT" they could do to pack em in... it's not like it ever did before... figment may only be attractive to SOME guests. Even updating the movie never made it the grand slam attraction
wannab@dis
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Yeah, but neither did JII or Body Wars after they had been around for a while. That's why I don't understand the purist/nostalgic anti-change attitude that some people have. Well, I understand it, but for me, it's the worse attitude that Disney can have. While I may wish an attraction wouldn't go away, I also don't want the parks to stagnate and slowly erode away.dxer07002 said:
Leaving things unchanged is the worst thing that Disney could do in their parks. No matter how many die-hard purist Disneyphiles are around, there are not enough to keep the parks making money when everyone else is looking for a better experience.
jedimaster1227
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wannab@dis said:
But here is where you are interpretting my arguement the wrong way. I like the new ride better than Body Wars because of personal preference and UoE is just downright horrible compared to its original. I don't blame anyone for anything, nor do I think it is anyone's fault. I don't really believe that money was the issue. If you look at the new ride and compare it to the second ride, all they did was add in Figment in a few scenes and change the ending. I think it is entertaining because even though I am not a hugh Idle fan, he gives the ride the spark it needs to stay atleast entertaining. The only way I think that the new ride has failed is that it does not have a fair attendence rate and it doesn't satisfy the Dreamfinder Fans, but that is it. I think the ride is an improvement but I think that as you said before Disney is all about preference, audiences and interpretation. I agree with you on many of these issues, you just don't realize it yet. :wave:
Mr.EPCOT
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Too bad Celebrity Smackdown wasn't still on the air. I'd love to see Dreamfinder vs. Eric Idle/Nigel Channing!
By the way, what was the official name for Dreamfinder's dream vehicle? It's been bugging me over the past few months that I can't remember. I think it's Dreamcatcher or Dream Machine or something like that, but I'm not sure that's quite right.
By the way, what was the official name for Dreamfinder's dream vehicle? It's been bugging me over the past few months that I can't remember. I think it's Dreamcatcher or Dream Machine or something like that, but I'm not sure that's quite right.
FigmentJedi
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Isn't it the Dreammobile? Or at least that's what I go with..
