Downtown Disney update

jt04

jt04

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Clever Name said:
There are no fences on the borders. You can drive or fly to the mountains anytime or even live in the mountains just as long as you keep legal residence in Florida and maintain your homestead exemption.
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In Cali the mountains are always a short drive away and there is no hurricane season.
 
bunnyman

bunnyman

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Patricia Melton said:
This was such excellent insight, I gave you a big ol' LIKE for it. Thank you for taking the time to give us your take on the history of Pleasure Island and why it went downhill.

I will always think that The Adventurer's Club needs to be reborn as a restaurant in Adventureland (open the same hours as Be Our Guest, and geared towards families with boys who would like the same kind of plussed dining experience but themed not to a princess story but to a life of adventure). Have the restaurant built so that it overlooks the Jungle Cruise. Have it be quick service during the day and at night table service...and also have a dinner theater aspect that would be an additional charge.

The other clubs I don't think people miss as much and were not as special as The Adventurer's Club.
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Thank you. I've dealt with many different types of restaurant operators. The best one had numerous franchises in his pocket, and many prime locations. When one started to tail off, he would close it for a remodel and put in another one of his franchises ( I.e. switching Chilli's for Friday's).
 
Patricia Melton

Patricia Melton

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bunnyman said:
Thank you. I've dealt with many different types of restaurant operators. The best one had numerous franchises in his pocket, and many prime locations. When one started to tail off, he would close it for a remodel and put in another one of his franchises ( I.e. switching Chilli's for Friday's).
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Rebranding is what Disney should have done...instead of just obliterating Pleasure Island.

All these years later, the Adventurer's Club building is still empty.

So that is just sitting there, making no money at all. Surely SOME profit from it would have been better than it sitting abandoned.
 
WDW1974

WDW1974

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jt04 said:
Perhaps you have not heard that or even noticed that the 'segmented' DTD is being phased out. That old "geography" went the way of the iron curtain.
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How did I miss this gem of yours, old pal?

The segmented DD isn't being phased out. That may well have been the plan, but they go through plans now like a fanboi goes through blank napkins while eating a greasy turkey leg or two.

If they wanted no one to ask 'what's Pleasure Island?' or 'what happened to PI?' they wouldn't leave it on signage and brochures and actively tout the 'name' on bus routes. They would have simply renamed PI even to something temporary like DD-Central. They didn't. ... The huge marquee is still lit up every night.The only problem with PI is there is no there anymore.

jt04 said:
I have never said there are not security issues elsewhere. These are always issues where large crowds assemble. You can deflect all you want but nobody is going to buy that there were not serious issues surrounding the clubs of PI.
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Nope, but you enjoy shouting out this Internet/urban/fanboi myth with regard to PI. Why not talk of all the pervs giving themselves a hand in the BB showers in full view of children? Why not talk about the children who are abused at WDW? Why not talk about the domestic violence that happens on a daily basis in the parks and resorts?

Simple. Your agenda is some anti-PI crusade to upset the AC addicts (I most definitely was not one of them) and you do it by stating something as fact that isn't. There were not serious issues surrounding the clubs. Matter of fact, there were very little problems period until TDO decided to open the gates and let everyone/anyone in. So you had some bored teens with short fuses and some stroller pushers, neither group of which had ANY purpose being there.

jt04 said:
Again you deflect from the topic the adults in this thread are discussing. Sometimes you come off as an overindulged only child who is still spoiled rotten and incapable of rational discussion. PI closed partly because of the mix of underage teens being too close in proximity to seedy elements around the clubs including illegal drug use. That is the truth of the matter.
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Oh, JT, bless your heart. You are such a hoot. You gonna call me a child when your favorite action here is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling ''nah-nah, I can't hear you, I can't hear you, I can't hear you!'

Seriously, if Disney was worried about underage teens being too close to seedy elements that use illegal drugs they'd keep them away from Imagineers (yes some folks at WDI do not know where to draw a line). Of course, you don't like hearing facts. I understand. Most people would rather live in delusion these days and I do believe that's your favorite Land!
 
WDW1974

WDW1974

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flynnibus said:
People smoke weed commonly at Disneyland...
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They do at WDW too, just not to the extent of Anaheim. But 'weed' is practically legal in California. DL was a smoke-filled haze on the One Extra Disney Day promo and the security (and local cops) couldn't have cared less.

flynnibus said:
It's funny how everyone is talking about some night adult park. To those suggesting that, do you remember the rumored nightly kingdom boutique park that was supposed under serious consideration not just a year or two ago?
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Funny how many 'done deals' at WDW have become just words and phrases on Disney fan forums ... from Night Kingdom/Shangri-La to Hyperion Wharf to Flamingo Crossing ... we just sorta move on and pretend we don't know a thing about them.

flynnibus said:
Pi had issues, but none that would not be unexpected for a adult district open to the public. It just started drawing a lot of negative press. Just like transportation did after the kid on the bike incident and monorail accident.
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Yep. People DIED in those instances. In one of them, Disney was very much at fault. They didn't change very much. They certainly didn't stop using monorails or buses. ... And PI had very little bad press. The worst came when Disney Security decided to hassle the wrong black teens and the O-Sentinel picked up on it.

flynnibus said:
Outsourcing pi fell right into the business thinking prevalent in Orlando which is... Why run expensive things when you can let someone else do it and just collect great fees or royalties. You see it in the recent land deals.. Entertainment... Sell the parks ideas...etc
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Yep, all of that.

Disney went from a ''we can do it all'' tude in the 80s and 90s to one of ''let's do as little as possible ourselves'' since ... and that's not simply a Disney deal. It's how American corporations operate in these tough economic times when they exist pretty much to make a corrupt Wall Street happy.
 
menamechris

menamechris

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WDW1974 said:
Funny how many 'done deals' at WDW have become just words and phrases on Disney fan forums ... from Night Kingdom/Shangri-La to Hyperion Wharf to Flamingo Crossing ... we just sorta move on and pretend we don't know a thing about them.
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Don't forget those fabulous health/fitness/yoga rooms we were supposed to get at the Contemporary!!

Seriously - all of these were the worst ideas ever. How they got to the point of announcing them to the public is beyond me, except that the heads of WDW are completely out of touch. Maybe one day I will once again hear an announcement come from Disney - and I won't rub my eyes in disbelief while thinking "What? Really??"
 
WDW1974

WDW1974

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menamechris said:
Don't forget those fabulous health/fitness/yoga rooms we were supposed to get at the Contemporary!!

Seriously - all of these were the worst ideas ever. How they got to the point of announcing them to the public is beyond me, except that the heads of WDW are completely out of touch. Maybe one day I will once again hear an announcement come from Disney - and I won't rub my eyes in disbelief while thinking "What? Really??"
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Yep. Another great example. I'm sure there are others ... going back about a decade there was the DVC Flagler-era resort planned for where the Four Seasons is now FINALLY going up and plenty more if you go back further, but I'm trying to stay semi-recent. So, no talk of the Splash-themed water park ... or any of the plans to bring the Matterhorn to, in order, MK, EPCOT and Disney-MGM.
 
John

John

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I swear to Mickey Mouse if they come out with plans to remake and RENAME PI to PI 2.0 of some sort I will pee my pants quicker then a four yr old at Casey's pee and play. I will laugh so hard....Dole Whip will come squrting out my nose. Why? Because I will have visions of JT's head explodeing.
 
bunnyman

bunnyman

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menamechris said:
Don't forget those fabulous health/fitness/yoga rooms we were supposed to get at the Contemporary!!

Seriously - all of these were the worst ideas ever. How they got to the point of announcing them to the public is beyond me, except that the heads of WDW are completely out of touch. Maybe one day I will once again hear an announcement come from Disney - and I won't rub my eyes in disbelief while thinking "What? Really??"
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Hey, let's not forget David Copperfield's underground thing they had announced and even put signs up for near DTD.
 
M

Mouse Detective

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Arewethereyet! said:
I swear to Mickey Mouse if they come out with plans to remake and RENAME PI to PI 2.0 of some sort I will pee my pants quicker then a four yr old at Casey's pee and play. I will laugh so hard.
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Because WDW1974 keeps saying there is no hope of any of PI clubs ever opening again and because I believe him, I'm so sad that a PI 2.0 isn't going to happen. But wouldn't it be great if they did? Outsourced or not, there is so much potential on that tiny little island that a bunch of new restaurants and gift shops can never capitalize on!

Jt's head exploding would just be an added bonus.
 
John

John

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Mouse Detective said:
Because WDW1974 keeps saying there is no hope of any of PI clubs ever opening again and because I believe him, I'm so sad that a PI 2.0 isn't going to happen. But wouldn't it be great if they did? Outsourced or not, there is so much potential on that tiny little island that a bunch of new restaurants and gift shops can never capitalize on!

Jt's head exploding would just be an added bonus.
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As I have said before, I dont see how many buisnesses would be profitable without alcohol ie clubs or lounges.
Just adding resturants and retail stores just will get to the point of oversaturation. I guess there are some unique stores I can think of, but what could possibly be added that wouldnt be rodundant? Raglan Road, Bongos, T Rex, Rainforest, House of Blues, Planet Hollywood, Splitsville I am probably missing something....but they all sell food. Do we really need more resturants?

I actually agree we probably seen the last of PI, but not so sure on the clubs. Just dosnt make sense. If you were an outside vendor and wanted to open up anything other then retail....alcohol would have to be involved to make it profitable. BTW, I believe all the above mentioned resturants sell alcohol....there is a reason for that.
 

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