Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[Millionaire2K]

Disney not opening would send the message: "Our safety measures we have planed are BS and don't work"

Think about it, Disney says if you suspect you have been exposed to the virus stay home.... 100.4 fever, STAY HOME. Wear a mask, keep social distance and we will clean everything to be cleaner than your grand dad can ever remember.

Disney and many businesses have pushed this type of "safety". If they don't open because of a spike it would be saying "it's not safe, people will get sick in our parks because we can't stop the spread"

I like to think we came a long way since Mar in our ability to keep ourselves safe i.e. When people follow the rules they stay safe.

Of course you still see virus spread, because you see people breaking the rules (Clubs overcrowded, protest ignoring 6ft rule & fools who just don't want to wear a mask)

But if the safety measures are followed we are "supposed" to be safer.

So, If Disney delays, it would be admitting that safety measures they came up with are BS, "we can't open because the virus is spreading and all the things we talked about to keep you safe won't stop it, we can't keep you 6ft apart, we can't ask you to wear a mask at all times"

For Disney to close because OTHER businesses can't do it right would be dumb!!

I suspect Disney will trust their ability to keep guest from spreading the virus inside their parks by strictly enforcing the rules.

I expect the parks to open on time to all guest with park reservations on July 11th.

 

[TeriofTerror]

Disney not opening would send the message: "Our safety measures we have planed are BS and don't work"

Think about it, Disney says if you suspect you have been exposed to the virus stay home.... 100.4 fever, STAY HOME. Wear a mask, keep social distance and we will clean everything to be cleaner than your grand dad can ever remember.

Disney and many businesses have pushed this type of "safety". If they don't open because of a spike it would be saying "it's not safe, people will get sick in our parks because we can't stop the spread"

I like to think we came a long way since Mar in our ability to keep ourselves safe i.e. When people follow the rules they stay safe.

Of course you still see virus spread, because you see people breaking the rules (Clubs overcrowded, protest ignoring 6ft rule & fools who just don't want to wear a mask)

But if the safety measures are followed we are "supposed" to be safer.

So, If Disney delays, it would be admitting that safety measures they came up with are BS, "we can't open because the virus is spreading and all the things we talked about to keep you safe won't stop it, we can't keep you 6ft apart, we can't ask you to wear a mask at all times"

For Disney to close because OTHER businesses can't do it right would be dumb!!

I suspect Disney will trust their ability to keep guest from spreading the virus inside their parks by strictly enforcing the rules.

I expect the parks to open on time to all guest with park reservations on July 11th.

I'm certainly no insider and I have zero reliable information to share.
But if I were to guess, I'd say the main reasons Disney would try to open on schedule would be the NBA and MLS. I don't think Disney would want to signal to them that Disney has doubts regarding safety.

 

[techgeek]

Didn't they close bars? I'm confused.

The order so far only applies to establishments that don’t sell food, so there’s a wide variety of loopholes available. I know of several ‘bars’ with kitchens that remained open as long as you make a ‘food’ order with your drink order.

 

[Sparksfly]

I mean, you said "approaching 10,000" which was true on 6/26... and you are saying it as fact that the theme parks are playing a part in the spread. I'd be interested where you got that information.

Yes the numbers are "approaching" the 10,000 mark. There will always be a dip in numbers due to lack of testing over the weekend. The pattern is reflective so far of what weve seen over the last couple weeks in Florida. Will it actually hit 10,000 is yet to be seen, however the numbers have definitely been approaching it as of recently.
And most definitely after Universal and SeaWorld's reopening which was my point.

And I never stated it as fact..however I stated to conclude that the reopening of these parks played no part in the rise in cases is ridiculous.

 

[milordsloth]

however I stated to conclude that the reopening of these parks played no part in the rise in cases is ridiculous.

I guess I'm still having trouble with this part. Definitely not ridiculous to think the theme parks have not contributed to the spread.

 

[Sparksfly]

I guess I'm still having trouble with this part. Definitely not ridiculous to think the theme parks have not contributed to the spread.

Then there is no point in having this discussion with you. You either understand what I said in the totality in which I said it (rather than a snippet) or you don't. Either way its no issue of mine. We can simply agree to disagree.

 

[WDW Pro]

It's not a question of raw total numbers. Your statement was that almost the entire growth was in Miami. In fact, there has been significant growth in hospitalizations many regions of the state, including in Orange County. The question is how close are the hospitals to capacity (regular hospital capacity, ICU capacity, and "surge" capacity). By this measure, Orange County isn't quite in a critical danger zone, but warning lights should be starting to flash.

I was referring to infection rates near Disney World versus Miami, not hospital capacities throughout the state. Hospital capacity throughout the state remains more than capable, and will not have any impact on the topic of the discussion here.

 

[DisneyCane]

Yes the numbers are "approaching" the 10,000 mark. There will always be a dip in numbers due to lack of testing over the weekend. The pattern is reflective so far of what weve seen over the last couple weeks in Florida. Will it actually hit 10,000 is yet to be seen, however the numbers have definitely been approaching it as of recently.
And most definitely after Universal and SeaWorld's reopening which was my point.

And I never stated it as fact..however I stated to conclude that the reopening of these parks played no part in the rise in cases is ridiculous.

I think they (health departments) need to try to make a distinction between people testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 and people who have COVID-19. An asymptomatic carrier really isn't a "case" in the way that the word is typically used to describe an illness. An analogy would be HPV. Many millions of people are carriers of HPV and can spread it. However, a very small percentage develop a disease as a result.

While I accept the consensus from the experts that a SARV-CoV-2 carrier that does not develop symptoms of COVID-19 can spread the disease, the studies I have seen indicate that this spread is happening in enclosed, indoor spaces where people are in close contact for a long duration (i.e. no social distancing).

I do not expect there to be a significant amount of asymptomatic spread at WDW with the policies and procedures that will be in place. If it could spread easily from asymptomatic people in that kind of environment, 90% of the population would have been infected before any of the "15 days to slow the spread" stuff started.

 

[havoc315]

I was referring to infection rates near Disney World versus Miami, not hospital capacities throughout the state. Hospital capacity throughout the state remains more than capable, and will not have any impact on the topic of the discussion here.

The hospital capacity is not in imminent danger... but some hospitals are already starting to feel a pinch, and that can spiral out of control quickly. Not saying it will happen — but it’s the danger. And it’s precisely the reason some regions, in similar situations as Florida, are starting to roll back some re-opening plans.

 

[milordsloth]

Then there is no point in having this discussion with you. You either understand what I said in the totality in which I said it (rather than a snippet) or you don't. Either way its no issue of mine. We can simply agree to disagree.

I'll end it with, in my opinion, nothing you said shows an actual connection to parks and spread of disease, let alone it being ridiculous. But as you said, let's agree to disagree.

 

[WDW Pro]

Again, the vast majority of viral spread in Florida is from Miami, likely due to evening protests. If Disney reopens it will be due to the spread not being anywhere close to Miami in the Orlando area.

 

[kong1802]

Again, the vast majority of viral spread in Florida is from Miami, likely due to evening protests. If Disney reopens it will be due to the spread not being anywhere close to Miami in the Orlando area.

Are you still getting your information from the people who fed you this?

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[Sparksfly]

My question would be do we have numbers on those testing positive who are asymptomatic? Like I said before, I find it hard to believe those in Florida who have shown (as reflected by this spike) they do not take this and advised protocols as seriously as they should, would wait in line for hours to take this test If they are not at least showing symptoms. While I'm going off of what weve seen over the past month or so, I cant help but think its unlikely they would unless absolutely mandated for work. In which I too find hard to believe due to their inability to enforce basic preventative measures as weve seen, let alone an invasive test. If companies were forcing tests I'm sure we would be hearing about it loud and clear.

And dont say its due to elective surgery patients being tested, please. Doctors in Florida could only dream of that many patients getting elective surgeries. I know Floridas a hot spot for making certain cosmetic enhancements, but its not THAT hot.

So how do we know these tests results reflect asymptomatic people rather than symptomatic people or at least what the percentage or ratio is between the two. I would also reasonably believe it most definitely doesn't reflect all asymptomatic people. Those who are untested but are "positive" asymptomatic are just as dangerous (if not more so due to them being thoroughly unaware and making no attempt to limit contact) to those around them as someone who is tested and accounted for.

Btw...I'm legitimately curious if Florida does have those numbers available to the public, so if that's the case please point me in that direction.


Also... to restate what I said before...I know this "carelessness" I touched on above does not reflect all Floridians. I know there are many of you who have been careful and are tired of being lumped in with everyone else. Trust me I know quite a few down there. So again thank you for hanging tight and dealing with this as gracefully as you can.

 

[HongKongFooy]

Take the extra time to make sure it's safe and then double and triple check.

Disney has already done that.......it has had 3 months of strategizing, task forcing, communicating with public health with levels of redundancy, floating test runs(Dis Springs) and monitoring Shanghai

Enough already............do it or close up shop and wait for a miracle drug by 2028

 

[TrojanUSC]

Again, the vast majority of viral spread in Florida is from Miami, likely due to evening protests. If Disney reopens it will be due to the spread not being anywhere close to Miami in the Orlando area.

You keep bringing up protests with zero evidence. As has been repeated ad infinitum, the places with the largest protests have seen no spikes (MN, NY, etc). This makes it clear it’s other things driving the spread.

Parties — Not Protests — Are Causing Spikes In Coronavirus

Erika Lautenbach, director of the Whatcom County Health Department in Washington state, says protests against police violence aren't among the catalysts for the spread of COVID-19.

www.npr.org

 

[Prince-1]

I'd imagine the PR for delaying opening is much better than the PR of a place like Disney opening then saying "woops sorry folks we are closing again"

Oh I agree but if they do reopen and a large amount of cast members contract CV and the press starts to turn negative then they may not have a choice to close again. Time will tell what happens.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Didn't they close bars? I'm confused.

Almost all indoor activities in 19 counties have been shut down. Dining, movies, entertainment, bars, included.

 

[Prince-1]

Are you still getting your information from the people who fed you this?

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Remember, he’s an expert. So much so that actually he predicted that when WDW reopens people would have to socially distance from others and wear masks. Beat that!!!

 

[Disstevefan1]

I haven't seen this statement from DeSantis yesterday on this thread. Makes me hopeful of no push to the opening on 7/11:

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said Tuesday that his state is “not going back” on reopening as thousands of new COVID-19 cases continue to be reported every day.

DeSantis told reporters that the state will not follow Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s (R) move to pause reopening, according to Axios.

“We're not going back, closing things,” he said. “I don't think that that's really what's driving it. People going to a business is not what's driving it. I think when you see the younger folks — I think a lot of it is more just social interactions, so that's natural.”

There will be no push of the 7/11 date. It’s full steam ahead with no iceberg in sight.

 

[milordsloth]

There will be no push of the 7/11 date. It’s full steam ahead with no iceberg in sight.

Woooo! Only 10 days and I'll be there!! So excited to see WDW finally.