Do you think a Batman or Superman attraction would be good in Disney?

Matt_Black

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IF you were ever to see Batman in Disney, most likely it would be based on or heavily influenced by the Adam West show, as that was broadcast on ABC, something I didn't realize for years and I wondered why a FOX produced show featuring characters owned by WB was referenced at all in DHS.
 

Bairstow

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Based upon the criticism of the new Batman v Superman movie, then no, I hope they steer well clear

I think it's more than a little early to write off on two of the most celebrated fictional characters in popular American fiction based on one disappointing movie. Not that there's ANY chance in Disney investing in the DC comics characters in the foreseeable future, but the performance of one movie amid decades of films, television shows, and thousands upon thousands of comic books and merchandice items is practically insignificant.
Do people actually take critics' opinions into consideration? Seriously, who actually listens to the opinions of some dorks that get paid to criticize movies?

Thousands of people? There's a reason most major newspapers employ film and art critics and it's because most of them know more about the artforms they write about then the general public. The trick is to find one or two critics whose taste in film is about the same as yours.
 

CAPTAIN HOOK

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but the performance of one movie amid decades of films, television shows, and thousands upon thousands of comic books and merchandice items is practically insignificant.
People are like elephants - they don't forget. Batman and Superman have both been successful franchises, but you're only as good as your last performance
 

gobstoper27

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Firstly let me clarify, I haven't heard anything about this ever!!!!!!!!

However with the success of superhero movies over the years and with Disney's liking to go with Avatar and Star Wars, I was wondering whether they'd ever go the Batman or Superman route? I could imagine them doing a fantastic Batman dark ride if they got the rights and wanted to. Surely with it's iconic popularity there'd also be a reasonably large fan base (like Star Wars) who'd lap this type of thing up. As I say I've heard nothing about this but just wondered whether if done right, this would be good business for Disney and possibly add a different demographic of visitor to the parks?

I love Batman and he is my all-time fav Superhero, but IMO, I don't think either is a fit for Disney. It would feel so out of place to me.
 

WondersOfLife

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Firstly let me clarify, I haven't heard anything about this ever!!!!!!!!

However with the success of superhero movies over the years and with Disney's liking to go with Avatar and Star Wars, I was wondering whether they'd ever go the Batman or Superman route? I could imagine them doing a fantastic Batman dark ride if they got the rights and wanted to. Surely with it's iconic popularity there'd also be a reasonably large fan base (like Star Wars) who'd lap this type of thing up. As I say I've heard nothing about this but just wondered whether if done right, this would be good business for Disney and possibly add a different demographic of visitor to the parks?
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Bairstow

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People are like elephants - they don't forget. Batman and Superman have both been successful franchises, but you're only as good as your last performance
That is absurd.
It would take dozens of terrible movies to actually diminish the cachet of a property as big as Batman and/or Superman.

Just look at Star Wars: they made 3 godawful movies in a row with no real slowdown of merchandizing or development.
 

Launchpad McQuack

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Besides certain specific props and locations, there really isn't much they could theoretically do with those characters that couldn't be done with Disney-owned characters.

Want a Batman dark ride that's fun for the whole family? I submit to you a Darkwing Duck dark ride.

Want a Batman dark ride that skews more "adult" in nature? I give you Daredevil.

Want a Superman rollercoaster where you "fly" above the park? Disney does whatever is needed to secure the much-cheaper (I'm assuming) Rocketeer theme park rights. If not that, then you can fly along with Baymax.

Want a Justice League ride? Choose from The Incredibles or Big Hero 6.
 

CAPTAIN HOOK

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That is absurd.
It would take dozens of terrible movies to actually diminish the cachet of a property as big as Batman and/or Superman.

Just look at Star Wars: they made 3 godawful movies in a row with no real slowdown of merchandizing or development.
No it wouldn't as nobody in their right mind would make "dozens of terrible movies"

You only need to look at the movies that Disney has made which have flopped to realise that these movies don't have rides , shows or other merchandise. If the movie fails then it is of no commercial value and is quickly forgotten. While Batman and Superman will live in the minds of older generations, those experiencing them for the first time though the latest Batman v Superman movie will quickly forget (or remember how uninspiring) the movie was
 

Bairstow

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No it wouldn't as nobody in their right mind would make "dozens of terrible movies"

You only need to look at the movies that Disney has made which have flopped to realise that these movies don't have rides , shows or other merchandise. If the movie fails then it is of no commercial value and is quickly forgotten. While Batman and Superman will live in the minds of older generations, those experiencing them for the first time though the latest Batman v Superman movie will quickly forget (or remember how uninspiring) the movie was
Then how do you explain the Tron coaster they've built in Shanghai?
 

mergatroid

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Original Poster
Want a Justice League ride? Choose from The Incredibles or Big Hero 6.

That's a very fair point as after all it's subjective as to what certain people would prefer or not. For me maybe it's an age thing. I'm 47 now and to be honest Batman, Superman, Spiderman, Wonderwoman and the Hulk (yes I realise there's a licence cross there) etc were the characters I grew up with that are still strong today. I've not seen The Incredibles or Big Hero 6 and probably never will so I'm unaware of what they'd have to offer a park like Disney Studios?

For me the longevity of the likes of Batman have proven over many decades that they can cross the generations, whereas the newer ones have still to prove themselves in that regard. I guess it comes down to what you know and I don't know the newer ones but do the older. It probably sounds a selfish attitude to some but it isn't meant in that way. If great attractions can be built about newer characters or films I don't know then great, go ahead and build them and I'll happily come down and ride and enjoy them. I saw the Batman film on Friday and during the movie I just thought "That could make a great dark ride at Disney Studios" and decided to post my thoughts. Any attraction done well will work for me however, I was just going off what I know.
 

yoda_5729

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Do I think Disney would ever approach DC/WB in hopes of using their characters in the parks? I highly doubt it now, since the purchase of Marvel. Do I think it could work or be cool if they did so, absolutely. As a side note, the Wonder Woman TV show is represented in Walt Disney World, as part of the 1970s time capsule mosaics in the lobby of Pop Century. I actually heard rumors, nothing concrete, but rumors that Disney was at one time interested in doing an animated Wonder Woman movie to tie in with their Princess theme, but to have it be different in the fact she's the hero, and not some prince (similar to Mulan). Either way, it never happened, if there was even talks about it to begin with.

I think one issue is that any property has the potential to make for a great ride/area of a theme park. In my earlier post I mentioned that Six Flags uses these characters in roller coasters (and that sort of ride), and has a few other areas, like a Hall of Justice store, and things like that, but that wasn't meant as being critical, as that's the sorts of attractions Six Flags does. Six Flags, unlike Disney and Universal has to deal with winter conditions, and I would imagine that can be very hard to maintain intricate details for different areas. I don't recall seeing a dark ride type experience built by Six Flags, so I have no idea if it's good or not. The last time I saw the Marvel Islands of Adventure at Universal they had basically a Large Hulk coaster (painted green), a Doom Drop ride (that had a few touches to it, but looked nothing like the castle the character operates out of), A generic city street, a Storm g-Force ride which was just an imitation of the tea cups, and an eatery that was themed to Fantastic Four, but was mostly metal themed, and the Amazing Spider-Man ride. With the exception of the Spider-Man ride, I'd almost assume all of those other items to be at Six Flags as well. The themeing of the island was fairly bland and generic with the characters carrying the weight as the decorations.

In terms of the characters of Marvel and DC, both are huge in terms of fan bases and interest. DC right now isn't as popular as Marvel is on the big screen, but in television DC has had several winning series (George Reeves Superman, Adam West Batman, Lynda Carter Wonder Woman, The Adventures of Lois and Clark, Smallville, Arrow, Flash, Supergirl etc (that's not even counting the cartoons)). They are just doing different things, but both are doing a good job of it and are increasing the amount of people who know or have heard of a character. Popularity of characters is difficult to access because it matters on how you wish to view "what is popular?" Is it name recognition, is it knowing details or supporting characters of that character, is it merchandise sales, comic book sales, movie appearances etc. What if the character is a household name, but can't individually sell their own comic, needing to be on a team with other popular characters? Is Catwoman or Lois Lane characters who are parts of the other characters books, more popular then Wonder Woman, a character that has done more in her own name then the other two? If we are solely going off of name recognition, it's possible Robin is #3 before Spider-Man. It's a difficult accessment however you go about it.

Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Wonder Woman, Wolverine, Captain America, Hulk, and others are household names. Of those, in my opinion (and it's just that), Superman and Batman are different because the world surrounding those characters is iconic. Yes, Superman and Batman's name recognition is off the charts (as are the others listed above), but so to is Bruce Wayne, Robin, Joker, Catwoman Batmobile, Gotham, Clark Kent, Lois Lane, Daily Planet, Kryptonitie, Lex Luthor, Metropolis, Smallville etc. I'm not sure how many, if there are others, that could claim that. Let alone is Superman a household name, his best friend, his workplace, his weakness, and the town he grew up in are household names. Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman have been in continuous publication since Pearl Harbor. When superheroic comics were cancelled across the board, including Captain America, and every other superhero title Marvel (then called Timely) had, those three continued to be published. (Aquaman, Green Arrow and Superboy appeared in backup stories, and Plastic Man and Captain Marvel may have had periods they were published after .)Then eventually came the reemergence of Flash, then Green Lantern, and then the Justice League. That inspired Marvel to give superheroic comics another shot, as they had just been making romance, western, and monster books. That "other shot" was in the 60s, and almost everything Marvel threw on the walI, became a blockbuster title.

I completely agree with the person who mentioned longevity. It is not a certainty a comic book can last 5 years, or even 1. For those comics characters to have lasted to the point that people who have never walked into a comic book store know them, some of which call themselves fans (and once again have never been in a comic shop), speaks to the levels that those characters have mattered not just to their generation, but every generation since. If you are a fan of Batman, and have never once set foot in a comic book shop, then that shows the impact of the character. Just like all the people who have never ever seen a Mickey Mouse cartoon, but bought that plushy of him on their first trip to Disney World and fell in love. People may not like them, or may think they are trivial, but the merchandise sales, the fandoms, the conventions, the stories say otherwise. It could be argued, that Superman is the single most significant character created during the 20th Century in any genre. In truth, I love Mickey Mouse, so I'm always going to vote for that, but those characters have mattered and inspired thousands upon thousands. We talk a lot about Harry Potter on these forums, as well we should because he is a great character, a great service to children learning to read, and a character who has branched out into other mediums. Harry Potter however is nothing in comparison to Superman. Whereas Harry Potter is becoming an institution, Superman already was before Potter was even created. Potter's never had a TV show, to my knowledge he's never had a cartoon, though maybe he has. He's never had a radio show, never had a strip in the newspaper, etc. Superman has done pretty much....everything. I think if given the opportunity in a setting like a theme park, they'd be successful, just like they have been. Whether we'll ever see that though is a completely different story.
 

MKCP 1985

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I'd rather see an Incredibles attraction.

But since you ask the question seriously, I would believe that there is no great difference to a kid or a family vacation between seeing an Iron Man attraction (Disneyland) or seeing a Batman attraction. Like others who have responded, my first thoughts for a Batman or Superman coaster is "Six Flags." Likewise, my first thought at Captain America or Spiderman is Universal Studios, Florida.

But when I see "The Incredibles," my mind is instantly on Pixar and Disney.
 

Bairstow

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I think one issue is that any property has the potential to make for a great ride/area of a theme park. In my earlier post I mentioned that Six Flags uses these characters in roller coasters (and that sort of ride), and has a few other areas, like a Hall of Justice store, and things like that, but that wasn't meant as being critical, as that's the sorts of attractions Six Flags does. Six Flags, unlike Disney and Universal has to deal with winter conditions, and I would imagine that can be very hard to maintain intricate details for different areas. I don't recall seeing a dark ride type experience built by Six Flags, so I have no idea if it's good or not.

There's actually two notable examples of this:

The newest one is Justice League: Battle for Metropolis, which is like a SallyCorp version of Men In Black: Alien Attack and is an upgraded version of a nearly identical ride in Australia.


The other is a dark ride/wild mouse hybrid themed after The Dark Knight, which had a lot of potential but isn't particularly well-liked.
 

cheezbat

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Never going to happen...

But honestly I've always found the DC Comics characters to be more 'Disney-esque' than the Marvel characters...which was why I was really surprised when Disney finally purchased Marvel.
 

Matt_Black

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I don't think Superman or Batman would fit in. When I think of Batman or Superman, I think of Six Flags.

Technically, Uni should be suing Six Flags. Superman & Batman are honorary Avengers and, according to some very loose interpretations hear, that's violating the contract.
 

CastleBound

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There's actually two notable examples of this:

The newest one is Justice League: Battle for Metropolis, which is like a SallyCorp version of Men In Black: Alien Attack and is an upgraded version of a nearly identical ride in Australia.


The other is a dark ride/wild mouse hybrid themed after The Dark Knight, which had a lot of potential but isn't particularly well-liked.

I live close to Great Adventure and can attest to people not really liking The Dark knight ride. The line is basically non-existent. I enjoy the ride though, as it's nice to get out of the sun and take a look at the theming. I'd honestly say the batman end of the attractions are less popular in that park in general. Batman: The Ride usually has small lines. We are getting a Joker ride later this year, so that should change things.
 

POLY LOVER

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In Hollywood studios it would could be a nice fit, but they have so much missing Disney owned movie / character content they can apply there first.
 

DaveN1996

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Once Disney bought Marvel, I started to think that Uni. should buy out DC licensing from Six Flags and re-do the Marvel area based off of those characters instead.... All in all, Six Flags has never really (either through just not doing it or not having the right funding) engulfed themselves in all that they could regarding these characters.... Arlington for example yes, you have rides themed, but it feels like it's just thrown into parts of the park instead of creating an actual full on DC "zone"... Maybe I've just become picky from Uni/Disney in that regard lol.....
 

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