Do you still feel like the FL expansion is missing something?

FigmentJedi

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I'd like something to balance out the Princess aspects of the expansion. Wonderland would be great for that as well as making Pixie Hollow more of a general Neverland area.
 
DisneyParksFan1

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Blueliner said:
This is slightly off-topic, but this weekend I went to Disneyland for the first time ever (after dozens of trips to WDW over the past 10-15 years).

I could spend a lot of time comparing California's Disneyland Park to Florida's Magic Kingdom, but where Disneyland Park clearly stood out to me was in the theming and the number of attractions (specifically the dark rides) in Fantasyland. The heart of Fantasyland in California, while relatively compact, really outshines Florida. The additional dark rides and the heavily themed facades really blew me away.

I welcome the Fantasyland expansion in Florida, and I'll be excited to see how the area is expanded and transformed. Even though the facades for Peter Pan, Philharmagic, and It's a Small World will remain, I think that if the new areas are built relatively consistent with the concept art, the Florida Fantasyland will really pick up the vibe of the California Fantasyland. That will be a great thing.

I don't think we should dismiss out of hand the appeal of a few walk-throughs (or other alternatives to a pure ride) in Florida's new Fantasyland. I thought the walk-through in Sleeping Beauty's castle was a nice little diversion, and I liked the details in the theming. Admittedly, I'm a "ride" guy, and I think that the "home-run ball" in the Florida Fantasyland expansion would be to add one or two dark rides to what already is planned. These additional rides do not need to be technologically advanced; they just need to be well-themed and be there to provide some balance and capacity.

From a purely selfish standpoint, I would much prefer to see an Indiana Jones ride added to Florida's Adventureland before any additional "big" rides go into Fantasyland or any of the other three parks. My wife humored me as we repeatedly gravitated toward Adventureland this weekend to pull fastpasses for Indiana Jones. That ride literally fits like a glove in Adventureland, and the length (meaning distance, not time) of the queue truly enhances the experience. I felt like I was re-living the scenes of Raiders of the Lost Ark as we wound our way through the dig sites and caves. The queue really built the anticipation for the ride and also made you feel more like a participant in the adventure instead of just a spectator. I think Everest is comparable, but not quite as immersive. Moreover, the temple was visible from the Jungle Cruise, and the skippers added some references to their spiel. Now that's what I call synergy!
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I agree about the existing FYL being not so great as far as facades go, I think they should either remake the facades and overall theming to DL's architecture, if not, improve the current fair theme, make it consistent. I could live with the fair theme.
 
jrriddle

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Blueliner said:
This is slightly off-topic, but this weekend I went to Disneyland for the first time ever (after dozens of trips to WDW over the past 10-15 years).

I could spend a lot of time comparing California's Disneyland Park to Florida's Magic Kingdom, but where Disneyland Park clearly stood out to me was in the theming and the number of attractions (specifically the dark rides) in Fantasyland. The heart of Fantasyland in California, while relatively compact, really outshines Florida. The additional dark rides and the heavily themed facades really blew me away.

I welcome the Fantasyland expansion in Florida, and I'll be excited to see how the area is expanded and transformed. Even though the facades for Peter Pan, Philharmagic, and It's a Small World will remain, I think that if the new areas are built relatively consistent with the concept art, the Florida Fantasyland will really pick up the vibe of the California Fantasyland. That will be a great thing.

I don't think we should dismiss out of hand the appeal of a few walk-throughs (or other alternatives to a pure ride) in Florida's new Fantasyland. I thought the walk-through in Sleeping Beauty's castle was a nice little diversion, and I liked the details in the theming. Admittedly, I'm a "ride" guy, and I think that the "home-run ball" in the Florida Fantasyland expansion would be to add one or two dark rides to what already is planned. These additional rides do not need to be technologically advanced; they just need to be well-themed and be there to provide some balance and capacity.

From a purely selfish standpoint, I would much prefer to see an Indiana Jones ride added to Florida's Adventureland before any additional "big" rides go into Fantasyland or any of the other three parks. My wife humored me as we repeatedly gravitated toward Adventureland this weekend to pull fastpasses for Indiana Jones. That ride literally fits like a glove in Adventureland, and the length (meaning distance, not time) of the queue truly enhances the experience. I felt like I was re-living the scenes of Raiders of the Lost Ark as we wound our way through the dig sites and caves. The queue really built the anticipation for the ride and also made you feel more like a participant in the adventure instead of just a spectator. I think Everest is comparable, but not quite as immersive. Moreover, the temple was visible from the Jungle Cruise, and the skippers added some references to their spiel. Now that's what I call synergy!
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Absolutely! Disneyland's Fantasyland is amazing, although I still couldn't help but think of miniature golf when I saw the castle. Just kidding DL fans. The Fantasyland in Paris also blew me away, very similar to California but larger. Landscaping was top notch as well, which may have been a factor in it appearing so large. Great park. Shame it never developed into what it could have.
 
jrriddle

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RSoxNo1 said:
Tommorrowland Speedway does take up a huge footprint, but it has a huge appeal to the pre-teen age group. The argument for removing it is that it's relatively common fair for an amusement park. As for your other ideas, conceptually they may work, but an expansion the size of Mysterious Island should be placed elsewhere. After the size/scope of the Fantasyland expansion, the Magic Kingdom becomes less of a priority for expansion as the other parks.
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No argument from me. I was just trying to keep it all within the MK. I will take Mysterious Island in any of the parks. Left me slack jawed when I first saw it. But I'm a Verne fan from way back.
 
Studios Fan

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RSoxNo1 said:
Tommorrowland Speedway does take up a huge footprint, but it has a huge appeal to the pre-teen age group. The argument for removing it is that it's relatively common fair for an amusement park. As for your other ideas, conceptually they may work, but an expansion the size of Mysterious Island should be placed elsewhere. After the size/scope of the Fantasyland expansion, the Magic Kingdom becomes less of a priority for expansion as the other parks.
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Well said.
 
Figment632

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_Scar said:
Well, not from what I hear. I think Antarctica could be a huge hit... nice cold weather and getting out of that Florida sun.... heaven.

All I know is that's being considered on a piece of land not being used as of right now, so no Dinorama removal either.



Rethemeing the prexisting rides? Err, Harry Potter isn't replacing anything... and you can't "retheme" the ride system... 1) it doesn't have a theme in the first place 2) retheme means it once had a theme and now it is being changed, so go back to 1

And we'll see about that one ride and its very own land. :animwink: It will def draw crowds, and probably away from DHS/DAK.
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I don't know what you are talking about???? They are making one new ride and retheming two old ones. That doesn't see like a threat to me any more than Hollywood rip was.
 
_Scar

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Figment632 said:
I don't know what you are talking about???? They are making one new ride and retheming two old ones. That doesn't see like a threat to me any more than Hollywood rip was.
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OHHH, when you said they were "simply rethemeing" two different rides I thought you meant the new ride. You do know it isn't just rethemeing Unicorn and Dueling Dragons right?

A whole land will attract more than Hollywood Rip Ride Rockit, and I don't think HRRR was meant to attract just as many people as HP. :shrug:
 
Figment632

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_Scar said:
OHHH, when you said they were "simply rethemeing" two different rides I thought you meant the new ride. You do know it isn't just rethemeing Unicorn and Dueling Dragons right?

A whole land will attract more than Hollywood Rip Ride Rockit, and I don't think HRRR was meant to attract just as many people as HP. :shrug:
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What are they doing to these two rides bedised some queue changes for DD and changing the ride vehicles for Unicorn?
 
SirGoofy

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Figment632 said:
What are they doing to these two rides bedised some queue changes for DD and changing the ride vehicles for Unicorn?
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The Flying Hippogriff is going to have a full animatronic pre-show which will be a care of magical creatures class.

DD is apparently getting some theming across it's ride path.

The entire land has been rebuilt to look like Hogsmede.

The land will be interactive after you purchase a wand, a process that has also said to be a show.

It's much more than a simple retheming of two rides and a new ride.
 
RSoxNo1

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_Scar said:
OHHH, when you said they were "simply rethemeing" two different rides I thought you meant the new ride. You do know it isn't just rethemeing Unicorn and Dueling Dragons right?

A whole land will attract more than Hollywood Rip Ride Rockit, and I don't think HRRR was meant to attract just as many people as HP. :shrug:
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SirGoofy said:
The Flying Hippogriff is going to have a full animatronic pre-show which will be a care of magical creatures class.

DD is apparently getting some theming across it's ride path.

The entire land has been rebuilt to look like Hogsmede.

The land will be interactive after you purchase a wand, a process that has also said to be a show.

It's much more than a simple retheming of two rides and a new ride.
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My understanding is that there would be some light theming to Dueling Dragons to make them Dragon Challenge.

Obviously the centerpiece of the land will be The Forbidden Journey, but I do agree that this should be a very immersive land where it's more about the experiences than it is the attraction count.

That being said, I think Fantasyland may be the same way, and I wouldn't be surprised if they integrate the RFID function into the new Fantasyland. It would be a logical step, especially if Potterland will be doing something with wands.
 
Exprcoofto

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Figment632 said:
There is plenty of room on TSI.
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Yup, guess you guys are right, they could put a nice dark ride on TSI.

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The rafts would bring you into Down Town NO that looks similar to NOS at DL. There could be a couple of fast food restaurants, maybe a magic shop, and a gift shop. All buildings have a second floor that you can go up and "explore". This could be highly themed like WS.

Then where the bridge is: make it look like a swampy bayou. Then out of the bayou emerges a giant mansion which houses a PatF Dark Ride like I designed here: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=525324

The trick to ever building NOS on TSI would be hiding show buildings since you have an attraction that goes all the way around, but it can be done. :)
 
EPCOT Explorer

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Exprcoofto said:
Yup, guess you guys are right, they could put a nice dark ride on TSI.

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The rafts would bring you into Down Town NO that looks similar to NOS at DL. There could be a couple of fast food restaurants, maybe a magic shop, and a gift shop. All buildings have a second floor that you can go up and "explore". This could be highly themed like WS.

Then where the bridge is: make it look like a swampy bayou. Then out of the bayou emerges a giant mansion which houses a PatF Dark Ride like I designed here: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=525324

The trick to ever building NOS on TSI would be hiding show buildings since you have an attraction that goes all the way around, but it can be done. :)
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:sohappy::sohappy:

they NEED to do this! :lol: It just works so perfectly.
 

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