copcarguyp71
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You should have said "just him" and gestured to the guard making a stink about it!
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Do we REALLY need bags checked?
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Mad Stitch
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After what happened at the Boston Marathon, yes.
Florida_is_hot
Well-Known Member
After what happened at the Boston Marathon....????
Why do you not stay at home with a bag over your head that way the evil people can not get you.
Please pat down.....
What is next you go to the shopping mall you want everybody go through security?
Why do you not stay at home with a bag over your head that way the evil people can not get you.
Please pat down.....
What is next you go to the shopping mall you want everybody go through security?
Disneyhead'71
Well-Known Member
So how much does one of these pat downs cost? And where do you have to go to get one?
aristo_cat
Active Member
My friend and I were just at Magic Kingdom on Wednesday evening (they were open til 3 am!) and we arrived there from Epcot at around 9:25-9:45 pm and they had stopped checking bags completely. We did not have our bags checked and the check stations seemed to have been closed.
Also, let me comment on how the bag checks are so poorly executed. You have a poor, tired (sometimes grumpy) employee at the end of what can best be described as a maddening heap and they have a stick and they plop it into the main compartment of a woman's bag or a child's backpack and they just wiggle it and are done with it. I have never had any extra compartments checked in my bag--I once volunteered that I had a whole another main compartment and did the security officer wish to check it? No. He said "you're fine". People walk through the line with boxes of crackers and nobody says anything to them. They could have things hidden in those boxes. It's such a dog and pony show, isn't it? Why not have x-ray machines or metal detectors if we are really worried about security? But as I always say, if someone wants to do something badly enough, they will find a way. Unfortunately.
Also, let me comment on how the bag checks are so poorly executed. You have a poor, tired (sometimes grumpy) employee at the end of what can best be described as a maddening heap and they have a stick and they plop it into the main compartment of a woman's bag or a child's backpack and they just wiggle it and are done with it. I have never had any extra compartments checked in my bag--I once volunteered that I had a whole another main compartment and did the security officer wish to check it? No. He said "you're fine". People walk through the line with boxes of crackers and nobody says anything to them. They could have things hidden in those boxes. It's such a dog and pony show, isn't it? Why not have x-ray machines or metal detectors if we are really worried about security? But as I always say, if someone wants to do something badly enough, they will find a way. Unfortunately.
SyracuseDisneyFan
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I'm not a fan, but I know it's necessary. One day a few months ago, I was attending a college basketball game between Syracuse University and St. John's University at the Carrier Dome. I had security check my purse and of course the dude had to comment on my contents. We were both lucky that I had nothing illegal in there. Just zip it and keep your comments to yourself and do the darn job.
Polydweller
Well-Known Member
Most of the comments in this thread seem to come from those who have never done security. Those of us who have done serious security (mine in a maximum security setting) know that bag check is part of a multi layered security approach. This step slows people down and restricts access points. It's hard to just rush into the park with weapons etc. if you try you are easily identified by the next layers of security which are there. And, they do discover weapons in bags which get confiscated and yes I've seen it. T
They also have visible and non-visible security in numbers throughout the parks. Good security is always multi-layered and no given layer is expected to prevent everything but together the layers can prevent the vast majority. People need to stop thinking of bag check as the only security, think of it as part of a system and look for the other layers. They are there beginning immediately after bag check. Just look around and you might be surprised at how much you are under observation before you get to the ticket turnstyles. And there's more of it after that.
They also have visible and non-visible security in numbers throughout the parks. Good security is always multi-layered and no given layer is expected to prevent everything but together the layers can prevent the vast majority. People need to stop thinking of bag check as the only security, think of it as part of a system and look for the other layers. They are there beginning immediately after bag check. Just look around and you might be surprised at how much you are under observation before you get to the ticket turnstyles. And there's more of it after that.
Epicpilot
Active Member
Bingo! I frequently see people saying that disney security is not securing the parks and how they wouldn't stop someone bringing in a weapon or bomb. The bag check serves as a layer (as you said) and also serves as choke point where Disney security can monitor everyone for any signs that the person may "be up to something bad." Too many this is an inconvenience but many fail to realize this new age of security we are in post-9/11, I guess some people don't realize that we need this because of the threat we are now constatenly under now. (Im not trying to be when of those crazy people, I'm just stating the facts)
rob0519
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Personally, I think the bag checks are a waste of time. However, the checks give the guards a job and some income, but that's the only good I see. As someone else said, it's the reality of the post 9/11 era. Can't get on a plane, go into a major building or tourist attraction without being searched, patted down or x-rayed.
Sped2424
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I honestly wouldn't be opposed to any new security measures unfortunately these shootings are occurring more and more frequently god forbid one ever happen at a theme park especially one as full as disney world. If I have to wait an extra 5 minutes to get in the park because we are worried about keeping me and every other guest there safe then by all means.
englanddg
One Little Spark...
These tragedies are not "more common", nor are they more frequent, they are just more publicized (do some research)...
But, assuming it helped, then it would be helpful if they actually checked...they don't. I have a pack that has been checked for 4 years, and not once have they gone into the back "secret" zipper area.
Ready for a pat down with "special attention" and a pass through a metal detector to enter the park?
Probability is such a rare concept...you should look at it and then compare that to how that impacts your daily life. Just a friendly suggestion.
Minnie1976
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I don't find they check completely. Sometimes they ask me to unzip this part or that part of my purse. Other times they just squeeze my purse or do a quick peek. Unless you go through a metal detector or scanner, they have no idea what is in your pockets, under your coat, etc. It looks good.
Tom Morrow
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I can't stand when people think its totally pointless. Will it absolutely stop something? No. But having it is better than not having it. Its a difference between "stopping people from even attempting to bring a weapon or whatever in/possibly finding one" and "not bothering to look at all thereby letting everything in."
Sped2424
Well-Known Member
More publicized? Can you list the last time that in such a frequent time period a string of tragedies like this occurred so often in america? While there used to be one or 2 shootings rampages in a decade that number has recently spiked up to 27.You do have some point as the media covering these events is what many believe is spawning new ones that does not deny the fact that yes they are indeed happening more frequently. Here is my research..(x) (x). Also a special pat down? I highly doubt disney would ever take it that far so lets not all get too excited here. Safety should be a priority in a place as full as disney thats all im saying just my friendly suggestion.
Monkee Girl
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You know, I'll take Disney's bag check any day over Six Flags Great Adventure's security procedure. I just went on Friday and my god, I felt like I was going thru TSA! We had to take out all metal/communication objects and put them in a bowl (phones, lose change, jewelry, keys...), went through a metal scanner and then had to take our bags over to an officer to have them thoroughly check our bags. It was insane and uncalled for.
It just annoys me that the sick people in the world are what cause everyone else to have to suffer.
draybook
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Just a heads up for those who are blaming our current "need for post 9/11 securities" on terrorists, your own government is taking away more of your freedoms than any terrorists are. And what does the Boston Marathon bombing have to do with WDW?
You're more likely to die in a wreck on the way to WDW than you are to die in WDW at the hands of some crazy person/people.
You're more likely to die in a wreck on the way to WDW than you are to die in WDW at the hands of some crazy person/people.