unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Wise move...some people can twist anything into a balloon animal of their choosing.Hah. Buddy you can interpret my posts anyway you like if it helps with meeting your needs.
Wise move...some people can twist anything into a balloon animal of their choosing.Hah. Buddy you can interpret my posts anyway you like if it helps with meeting your needs.
WDW, for most of it's existence wasn't the Toddler Kingdom. I think most new fans don't get that. They go into Tomorrowland and see Stitch, Buzz, Monsters, Inc and don't understand why we whiners don't understand that WDW is for kids. The WDW I grew up with didn't have a single cartoon based attraction in Tomorrowland. It was Mission to Mars and later Alien Encounter. There was America The Beautiful that became Timekeeper, and If You Had Wings. No toons!
The y replaced the more edgy Mr. Toads with Pooh. And SWSA with Princess Fairytale Hall and 20K Leagues with Ariel.
And now the shallowing of Epcot. Replacing things that have the intellectual depth of Human History with the latest Disney cartoons.
WDW was not made for Toddlers. The current management did that. And since I am not a toddler I am far less interested in WDW than I used to be.
James Cameron is OCD with any project he takes on, so I have no doubt Pandora's two attractions will be great additions to AK. I only wish he was able to get TDO to do the speedbike coaster, also.This. Just this. For the budget and time it should have been as lavish and on a scale of BTM. Albeit with slower speeds maybe to qualify as kiddy friendly. BTM as built would cost around $55 million today without the red tape and burocracy wrapped around the kiddy coaster. For 100 million plus we should have gotten a gob smacking, family friendly E.
Internally FLE and the Dwarf Coaster have been acknowledged as not the stellar success that was hoped for. Good, but not great. Which is right on the money. Hence future projects of a large scale (Avland, SW) are being micromanaged to ensure FLE isn't repeated. Hopefully they'll have style and substance.
Every commonly understood usage of the term "thrill ride" is based on the level of physical intensity that the ride generates. Speed, heights, drops, loops, g-forces. The ride system is a means to those ends, but it's a complete red herring to suggest that ANY ride with some kind of unique ride system is a thrill ride.What definition did I make up? Thrill rides are about the thrill created by the ride system and that is the focus of Seven Dearfs Mine Train.
The big focus of the ride is its wild, swinging cars and the thrill they were supposed to generate. Thats the big gimmick. That focus on thrills, regardless of how tame they are to adults, is what places it into the category.Every commonly understood usage of the term "thrill ride" is based on the level of physical intensity that the ride generates. Speed, heights, drops, loops, g-forces. The ride system is a means to those ends, but it's a complete red herring to suggest that ANY ride with some kind of unique ride system is a thrill ride.
How strangely will the tools of a tyrant pervert the plain meaning of words.The big focus of the ride is its wild, swinging cars and the thrill they were supposed to generate. Thats the big gimmick. That focus on thrills, regardless of how tame they are to adults, is what places it into the category.
Because most people are going to base that assessment on how it compares to the top of that category, not how it functions as an experience. The whole reasons elements of thrills (speed, height, etc.) constantly get brought up is because people do (and it is often people looking to defend the ride) place it within that vein of rides built around the visceral sensation. It is defends as "thrilling for kids."I'd wager big money that you're in the VAST minority on this one. I'd love to see a poll asking simply "is Mine Train a thrill ride?"
Absolutely not... It is an element, but, the story of the Dwarfs, the mine and the Snow White is the focus, with a different approach to it. Who ever said that "thrill" was the purpose of the attraction. It's both story and excitement, I don't call it actual thrills.What definition did I make up? Thrill rides are about the thrill created by the ride system and that is the focus of Seven Dearfs Mine Train.
Disney themselves have emphasized the thrill of the ride vehicles. The thrill of the coaster is also the elements repeatedly emphasized in defense of the attraction.Absolutely not... It is an element, but, the story of the Dwarfs, the mine and the Snow White is the focus, with a different approach to it. Who ever said that "thrill" was the purpose of the attraction. It's both story and excitement, I don't call it actual thrills.
First of all, it wasn't in defense, it was in promotion and for a Fantasyland attraction, it was thrilling. However, there are varying degrees of thrilling. There is fun to adrenalin inducing. There are no air sickness bags in those mine trains but, it did have a new element to them (the swaying) that added to the fun. Not everything is black and white. Not everything is defined by individual interpretations of a single word. A word that has many degrees of existence and not just black and white. Things can be thrilling without making one puke or be in danger of cardiac arrest. My Father in law used to consider fishing on the shore as thrilling. I would be hard pressed to call it that. But, I have ridden 7DMT and although not over the top, in it's own way it was thrilling and entertaining, albeit short. Being short doesn't in anyway take away from what is there accept on an individual level. So,why are we even arguing about it. It's a good ride that some people like and some people don't, just like every single attraction in any park in the world. One size does not necessarily fit all.Disney themselves have emphasized the thrill of the ride vehicles. The thrill of the coaster is also the elements repeatedly emphasized in defense of the attraction.
You just argued my point, that thrill is broader than the most extreme. Being "thrilling for a Fantasyland attraction" is the repeated argument that I have consistently pointed to as being the proof that the attraction is viewed primarily as being in the same vein as a thrill ride. It is a thrill ride whose audience is primarily little kids.First of all, it wasn't in defense, it was in promotion and for a Fantasyland attraction, it was thrilling. However, there are varying degrees of thrilling. There is fun to adrenalin inducing. There are no air sickness bags in those mine trains but, it did have a new element to them (the swaying) that added to the fun. Not everything is black and white. Not everything is defined by individual interpretations of a single word. A word that has many degrees of existence and not just black and white. Things can be thrilling without making one puke or be in danger of cardiac arrest. My Father in law used to consider fishing on the shore as thrilling. I would be hard pressed to call it that. But, I have ridden 7DMT and although not over the top, in it's own way it was thrilling and entertaining, albeit short. Being short doesn't in anyway take away from what is there accept on an individual level. So,why are we even arguing about it. It's a good ride that some people like and some people don't, just like every single attraction in any park in the world. One size does not necessarily fit all.
I get that. Really. I also appreciate the concern for the park and how important it obviously is to many people. But, concern can easily look like whining or worse- 'the park should have more (insert favorite type thing here)' or '(blank) is the worst ride ever because I don't like it.' That's really how a lot of folks come off...anonymous spoiled children. The truly concerned people also are tinged with a bit of reality in their concerns and usually write something intelligent. The spoiled whiners...not so much.What I see is a lot of faithful fans intentionally ignoring obvious problems so that nothing rains on the multi thousand $$$$ vacation.
Even the ones that have been there for decades?
WDW, for most of it's existence wasn't the Toddler Kingdom. I think most new fans don't get that. They go into Tomorrowland and see Stitch, Buzz, Monsters, Inc and don't understand why we whiners don't understand that WDW is for kids. The WDW I grew up with didn't have a single cartoon based attraction in Tomorrowland. It was Mission to Mars and later Alien Encounter. There was America The Beautiful that became Timekeeper, and If You Had Wings. No toons!
The y replaced the more edgy Mr. Toads with Pooh. And SWSA with Princess Fairytale Hall and 20K Leagues with Ariel.
And now the shallowing of Epcot. Replacing things that have the intellectual depth of Human History with the latest Disney cartoons.
WDW was not made for Toddlers. The current management did that. And since I am not a toddler I am far less interested in WDW than I used to be.
What I see is people who have the ability to visit WDW multiple times per year, and see/experience the "obvious problems" only because they are so familiar with the place and every minute little change that is made. I have been to WDW twice, and I am in my early 40s. I was a teenager the first time I went, and I did not notice any issues, because I was just excited to be there. The second time I went was just last year and, having learned alot about WDW through websites and forums like this one, I definitely recognized some of the issues, but not all of them. Did it inhibit my enjoyment of the parks? Not one bit. Everything that I experienced, I took the positives and cherished them, and recognized the negatives but did not dwell on them-"accentuate the positive, hide the negative". Unless an issue at the parks is directly interfering with my ability to have fun or is harming me in some way, it doesn't matter to me. As I said above, people who have been to WDW hundreds of times will dwell on these things, whereas occasional visitors will tend to enjoy WDW for what it is and not over-analyze things.What I see is a lot of faithful fans intentionally ignoring obvious problems so that nothing rains on the multi thousand $$$$ vacation.
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