Do the parks seem to be competing?

slappy magoo

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I guess the curiosity has been sated, but my reason for bringing this up in the first place came from both my bias toward the Magic Kingdom and Epcot (probably just the nostalgia talking) and the thought that the parks seem to be treated as one big place, rather than several smaller places conveniently placed on a large piece of property.


You don't think this totally contradicts your whole point in the first place? All the parks are in competition with each other AND treated as one big place rather than several smaller places?

They're treated like one big place...because they ARE one big place, owned by the same corporation, meant to complement each other and provide unique experiences, so guests feel content to stay on site. The biggest supermarket in your town carries as many different types of products as possible so you won't feel compelled to visit other stores. That doesn't mean the dairy aisle is competing with the pet food/light bulb/motor oil aisle, does it? Same deal, but with cartoon mice.
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
You don't think this totally contradicts your whole point in the first place? All the parks are in competition with each other AND treated as one big place rather than several smaller places?

They're treated like one big place...because they ARE one big place, owned by the same corporation, meant to complement each other and provide unique experiences, so guests feel content to stay on site. The biggest supermarket in your town carries as many different types of products as possible so you won't feel compelled to visit other stores. That doesn't mean the dairy aisle is competing with the pet food/light bulb/motor oil aisle, does it? Same deal, but with cartoon mice.

I don't know; I've heard the meats and produce sections have a long-standing feud that makes the Hatfields and McCoys look like a D23 Expo. Without the fights in the collectibles check-out lines, of course.....
 

slappy magoo

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I don't know; I've heard the meats and produce sections have a long-standing feud that makes the Hatfields and McCoys look like a D23 Expo. Without the fights in the collectibles check-out lines, of course.....

That's a catty rumor started by the pet food aisle.
 
Ok, either you don't understand how pricing works in the MYW system (which I don't blame you for, it can be confusing), or I don't understand your question.

Are you asking why there isn't just one price to get into all 4 gates? There is. It's called a Park Hopper ticket. However, you have the option to also purchase a one park ticket if you only go to one park per day and want to save a few bucks. It's still one large resort, but you have options. If you only want to go to one park per day, you don't have to pay for the all access pass.

It's the same thing with the water parks. You can buy a ticket that includes the water parks, mini golf, etc. And that might appeal to people, since it's one resort, and you pay one price to see everything, but if you're not interested in water parks or mini golf, under this system, you don't have to pay for them. It's about options more than competition.

In terms of cannibalization, it's not really competition per se. When a new gate opens, the idea is that initially that gate will attract a lot of buzz and attendance will be high there. People will opt to spend more time there initially to check out the new attractions instead of the older parks, but eventually it will even out. The idea though is that overall attendance for the resort as a whole will go up, so even if MK initially saw a drop in attendance, it would come back up. This would happen because maybe I used to take 5 day vacations to WDW but with the new park, I now need 7 days to see everything. Or maybe the new E-tickets are so great, the 3 days of my vacation I used to spend at Universal will be cut down to 2 in favor of an extra day at WDW.

So opening a new park is NOT supposed to cannibalize business from the other parks in the long term, but if that park, or new offerings in the existing parks are insufficient to draw crowds, then it certainly can. Let's say I usually spent 5 days at WDW before DAK, I used to spend 2 days each in MK and EPCOT, and 1 day at DHS. Now that DAK is open, if it's a great park, that will make me extend to 6 days. But if it's a half day park, but if MK and EPCOT haven't added anything new in awhile, I can just decide I've seen them enough and can cut EPCOT down to 1.5 days, and see DAK in .5 days. That's an example of DAK cannibalizing the other parks. I did go to DAK, but I didn't extend my trip at all. Two ways to combat this are to make it so that DAK (or any new gate ) is a full or multi day park with lots to see and things I'll want to experience over and over, and to add attractions to the existing parks so that it will always seem new and I'll continue to feel I need multiple days there, thus prompting me to have to extend my trip to see it all.

HTH
 

mharrington

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Original Poster
Ok, either you don't understand how pricing works in the MYW system (which I don't blame you for, it can be confusing), or I don't understand your question.

Well, according to David Koenig in his book "Realityland", the Magic Your Way plan is apparently a way for Disney to do things with a my-way-or-the-highway mentality. Here's what he (or rather, his book) said:

In 2005, Disney World revamped its entire ticket price structure - forgoing the old maximum seven-day tickets for one-to-ten day tickets that were tremendously front-loaded. A one-day pass costs $59.75 plus tax, but the difference between nine and ten days was only $2. The program was called Magic Your Way, but the intention was to strongarm visitors into doing everything Disney's way. Park hopping privileges cost extra. If tickets were not used within fourteen days, guests had to pay a hefty surcharge to prevent them from expiring.

So apparently, Koenig views guests as being bullied and manipulated by Disney into doing things its way and no one else's.
 

devoy1701

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Well, according to David Koenig in his book "Realityland", the Magic Your Way plan is apparently a way for Disney to do things with a my-way-or-the-highway mentality. Here's what he (or rather, his book) said:

In 2005, Disney World revamped its entire ticket price structure - forgoing the old maximum seven-day tickets for one-to-ten day tickets that were tremendously front-loaded. A one-day pass costs $59.75 plus tax, but the difference between nine and ten days was only $2. The program was called Magic Your Way, but the intention was to strongarm visitors into doing everything Disney's way. Park hopping privileges cost extra. If tickets were not used within fourteen days, guests had to pay a hefty surcharge to prevent them from expiring.

So apparently, Koenig views guests as being bullied and manipulated by Disney into doing things its way and no one else's.

every company does it...it's called giving your consumer an incentive to go for the larger, more expensive option. It also keeps guests on property because it locks them into more days in the parks. Why buy a one day ticket for $85 when I can buy a 3-day ticket for $140 and basically get 1 day free?

There's no "bullying" going on. Just a good business model. Not necessarily the prices...but the model itself anyway.
 

mharrington

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Original Poster
every company does it...it's called giving your consumer an incentive to go for the larger, more expensive option. It also keeps guests on property because it locks them into more days in the parks. Why buy a one day ticket for $85 when I can buy a 3-day ticket for $140 and basically get 1 day free?

There's no "bullying" going on. Just a good business model. Not necessarily the prices...but the model itself anyway.

Well, Koenig certainly sees it like "bullying".
 

njDizFan

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This is one of the most ridiculous threads I have ever read but like a car accident I can't stop looking.

WDW Resort is a single entity competing against the other local parks and attractions and for the that matter globally for your vacation dollar. And the main reason they have expanded their parks and hotels accomodations is to keep you on property as long as possible. WDW is a multi-day vacation spot for most of their clientele so the front loaded ticket prices are meaningless.

Like a mortgage holder, sure you are paying mostly interest for the first half of the loan but unless you refinance early it is the same amount of money spent on interest no matter how you break it down. (not really sure if the is an apt anaolgy):lookaroun
 

devoy1701

Well-Known Member
This is one of the most ridiculous threads I have ever read but like a car accident I can't stop looking.

WDW Resort is a single entity competing against the other local parks and attractions and for the that matter globally for your vacation dollar. And the main reason they have expanded their parks and hotels accomodations is to keep you on property as long as possible. WDW is a multi-day vacation spot for most of their clientele so the front loaded ticket prices are meaningless.

Like a mortgage holder, sure you are paying mostly interest for the first half of the loan but unless you refinance early it is the same amount of money spent on interest no matter how you break it down. (not really sure if the is an apt anaolgy):lookaroun

I know it... and can't believe it. But OP keeps it going. Maybe we'll get through...
 

powlessfamily4

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No, he thinks that Disney is a bit of a bully for keeping the guests on property for so long.


The only bullying Disney would be able to do to me is to try to get me to LEAVE the park after closing. LOL

This is all really becoming ridiculous. Yes, we presume in the sport of good fun, the parks compete with each other. No, we don' feel bullied or pressured. We purchase tickets of our own free will and stay in the parks as long as we choose to.

Happy?
 

Thrill

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No, he thinks that Disney is a bit of a bully for keeping the guests on property for so long.

The guests can leave. Disney isn't forcing them to stay. They can rent cars. They can buy passes for off property attractions.

Disney just puts a lot of incentive to stay on property. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm sure Universal would kill to be able to do that as well as Disney does.
 

slappy magoo

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Well, according to David Koenig in his book "Realityland", the Magic Your Way plan is apparently a way for Disney to do things with a my-way-or-the-highway mentality. Here's what he (or rather, his book) said:

In 2005, Disney World revamped its entire ticket price structure - forgoing the old maximum seven-day tickets for one-to-ten day tickets that were tremendously front-loaded. A one-day pass costs $59.75 plus tax, but the difference between nine and ten days was only $2. The program was called Magic Your Way, but the intention was to strongarm visitors into doing everything Disney's way. Park hopping privileges cost extra. If tickets were not used within fourteen days, guests had to pay a hefty surcharge to prevent them from expiring.

So apparently, Koenig views guests as being bullied and manipulated by Disney into doing things its way and no one else's.

It's really like you want people to roll their eyes and make the "cuckoo" sound when you respond, you know?

The whole point of this dopey thread was that you think the 4 parks are meant to be in competition with each other. Yet every piece of information you use to prove your point either has nothing to do with your point, or invalidates it. Your quote from Realityland has nothing to do with the parks competing with each other, and EVERYTHING to do with the parks complementing each other, creating an environment that, due to a combination of attractive options and strategic pricing, many guests will choose not to leave.

If you want us to think you have no reading comprehension or reasoning ability, mission accomplished and heckuvajob, mharrington-y
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
It's really like you want people to roll their eyes and make the "cuckoo" sound when you respond, you know?

The whole point of this dopey thread was that you think the 4 parks are meant to be in competition with each other. Yet every piece of information you use to prove your point either has nothing to do with your point, or invalidates it. Your quote from Realityland has nothing to do with the parks competing with each other, and EVERYTHING to do with the parks complementing each other, creating an environment that, due to a combination of attractive options and strategic pricing, many guests will choose not to leave.

If you want us to think you have no reading comprehension or reasoning ability, mission accomplished and heckuvajob, mharrington-y

Methinks we're giving him far too much attention. After all, this is a thread he bumped from March. And he started another one just like it. Let's just close down the feeding trough......
 

mergatroid

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I've heard that the cast members from the various parks meet up at the parking lots after closing to have brawls. These involve metal bars and tyre irons very reminiscent of scenes from The Sopranos. Currently the crew from the MK are coming out on top but word on the street is that the elderly Epcot parking lot mob are getting rather tasty and may well take over as top dogs :drevil:

Hope this answers the ops question :wave:
 

powlessfamily4

Well-Known Member
I've heard that the cast members from the various parks meet up at the parking lots after closing to have brawls. These involve metal bars and tyre irons very reminiscent of scenes from The Sopranos. Currently the crew from the MK are coming out on top but word on the street is that the elderly Epcot parking lot mob are getting rather tasty and may well take over as top dogs :drevil:

Hope this answers the ops question :wave:


Bawahahahahahaha! Oh your sooooo bad! :fork: :ROFLOL::ROFLOL:
 
Umm SERIOUSLY?

I'm not familiar with that book, but it just seems like that guy has an axe to grind.

Disney's not bullying anyone, nor forcing them to stay on property longer. If I buy my detergent at Costco, I pay a LOT less if I buy it in a larger quantity than at the grocery store in a small bottle, is Tide bullying me into doing more laundry? There are lots of instances where buying more is cheaper per unit.

In fact, the new tickets make a lot of sense in the competitive environment in Orlando. Disney loses days to Universal, so this new ticket pricing plan makes it make more sense for me to pay an extra $7 to spend an extra day at Disney World, than $60 for a day at Uni. Their ticket plans make sense and in some ways can be considered a win-win. You spend more time at Disney World, and you're getting extra days for very little extra money.

You can look at it a different way. Some people do not park hop, it's just not their habit, so why should they be "bullied" into paying for park hopper options? Also, with the new tickets and each successive day becoming cheaper, the idea is to make ONE vacation longer, not that you can keep going to Disney forever for $7 a day if you could be a non expiring ticket with unlimited days. That would be unfair to passholders.
 

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