Dissapointed..

It's not so much the economy that is hurting Disney as much as Disney is hurting themselves.

Heck, who can afford tickets over $100 per person with park hopper? There is nothing in our economy to justify that price. Sure, gas has gone up but that is it. With the stocks tanking and another depression looming, I would bet we would see $200 Disney tickets by 2010.

Sure, tickets are still pretty cheap if you get multiple days but what about the people who just don’t have the time or want to take an entire week at Disney? Add to that the fact that the parks (not just Disney) feel stale.



Epcot: The only reason we go to Epcot anymore is for the world showcase. Things like the test track, aka I-75, and mission to Mar are just bland. We are basically paying an admission fee to pay higher prices on food/souvenirs.

MGM (Refuse to call it Hollywood Studios): I still like a lot of the attractions because they remind me of when I was a kid and love the Tower of Terror but still yearn for something new. Rocking Rollercoaster was a good addition IMO and long overdue but things like this shouldn’t be so few and far between. With the billions they make, you would figure attractions would get more than just a new coat of paint every few years.

Magic Kingdom: Don’t know what to say, it still feels EXACTLY like that same park I visited when I was 5 years old (my first time at a Disney park). That can be both good and bad. Sure, I love to relive my childhood but the need/want to do that is not strong. So I end up visiting this park about 1/20th the amount of times I would if it were updated. Then you figure the two best rides are so far away from each other, I would rather MGM where you can just fast pass back and forth between Rockin and Tower.

Animal Kingdom: Worst park thus far. First, being a new park I obviously have no childlike attachment to it. Second, there are very few actual rides. Third, because it’s new it’s overcrowded for what it is (not Disney’s fault). Fourth, the ride(s) are poorly designed.

On our first and last trip to Animal Kingdom, our coaster got stuck at the top of Expedition Everest and they had to walk us all down through the inside. It was actually cool to see the inside but would have rather not have had it happen by getting stuck. In addition to that, the guide was stupid enough to give us a free fast pass back to the ride. First, it was almost park closing. Second, why would we want to get back on a ride that is clearly broken?

Then we felt duped by riding the Wildlife Express Train. When we got into the park it was just after opening and all the lines were packed accept that one (was only a 30ish min wait). One of the Disney employees was standing in front of the entrance and shouting that the line was shorter than all others in the park and people should hurry before it fills up. We had never been to the park and the map didn’t give a clear explanation of what the Train was for ... so we got in line. Once we got on the train and saw the couple billboards and realized the ride was over ... we were so frustrated we almost went home.

Blizzard Beach and Typhoon Lagoon: I actually have nothing really bad to say about these two. There isn't a lot you can expect from a water park and with this you still get the Disney feeling to a point.




Bottom line, for the price the Disney parks aren’t worth it anymore if going for just a day. I am taking my family to the parks in two weeks but we had already decided that before we saw the price increases. We have agreed that this will be our last Disney trip for a VERY long time!
 

jmicro59

Member
It's not so much the economy that is hurting Disney as much as Disney is hurting themselves.

Heck, who can afford tickets over $100 per person with park hopper? There is nothing in our economy to justify that price. Sure, gas has gone up but that is it. With the stocks tanking and another depression looming, I would bet we would see $200 Disney tickets by 2010.

Sure, tickets are still pretty cheap if you get multiple days but what about the people who just don’t have the time or want to take an entire week at Disney? Add to that the fact that the parks (not just Disney) feel stale.



Epcot: The only reason we go to Epcot anymore is for the world showcase. Things like the test track, aka I-75, and mission to Mar are just bland. We are basically paying an admission fee to pay higher prices on food/souvenirs.

MGM (Refuse to call it Hollywood Studios): I still like a lot of the attractions because they remind me of when I was a kid and love the Tower of Terror but still yearn for something new. Rocking Rollercoaster was a good addition IMO and long overdue but things like this shouldn’t be so few and far between. With the billions they make, you would figure attractions would get more than just a new coat of paint every few years.

Magic Kingdom: Don’t know what to say, it still feels EXACTLY like that same park I visited when I was 5 years old (my first time at a Disney park). That can be both good and bad. Sure, I love to relive my childhood but the need/want to do that is not strong. So I end up visiting this park about 1/20th the amount of times I would if it were updated. Then you figure the two best rides are so far away from each other, I would rather MGM where you can just fast pass back and forth between Rockin and Tower.

Animal Kingdom: Worst park thus far. First, being a new park I obviously have no childlike attachment to it. Second, there are very few actual rides. Third, because it’s new it’s overcrowded for what it is (not Disney’s fault). Fourth, the ride(s) are poorly designed.

On our first and last trip to Animal Kingdom, our coaster got stuck at the top of Expedition Everest and they had to walk us all down through the inside. It was actually cool to see the inside but would have rather not have had it happen by getting stuck. In addition to that, the guide was stupid enough to give us a free fast pass back to the ride. First, it was almost park closing. Second, why would we want to get back on a ride that is clearly broken?

Then we felt duped by riding the Wildlife Express Train. When we got into the park it was just after opening and all the lines were packed accept that one (was only a 30ish min wait). One of the Disney employees was standing in front of the entrance and shouting that the line was shorter than all others in the park and people should hurry before it fills up. We had never been to the park and the map didn’t give a clear explanation of what the Train was for ... so we got in line. Once we got on the train and saw the couple billboards and realized the ride was over ... we were so frustrated we almost went home.

Blizzard Beach and Typhoon Lagoon: I actually have nothing really bad to say about these two. There isn't a lot you can expect from a water park and with this you still get the Disney feeling to a point.




Bottom line, for the price the Disney parks aren’t worth it anymore if going for just a day. I am taking my family to the parks in two weeks but we had already decided that before we saw the price increases. We have agreed that this will be our last Disney trip for a VERY long time!

In your opinion, what would be a fair price for your WDW passes?
 
In your opinion, what would be a fair price for your WDW passes?

Actually, I didn't have a problem with the prices two or three years ago. They have gone up 34% in just those three years. Our economy, till now, hasn't slumped enough to justify a 34% increase.

My opinion would be about $70ish for a non Florida resident with a park hopper and $50ish for a Florida resident. Then with with the Magic My Way thing you would still see a discount for longer stays, just not as much as you do now.

Edit:

Heck, you are really only saving about $7 being a Florida resident now. If you go for 7 days you are only saving $2 per day as a Florida resident. A ticket for a Florida resident now is almost $70 for one day without park hopper.
 

barrettnichols

New Member
I've been giving the entire Disney experience alot of thought lately. After Pleasure Island closed down I just think that I've lost most of my desire to go back. We did a great family vacation this last summer for the same cost as a trip to Disney but it lasted twice as long. We saw all these things for real vs. simulated. And I look at all the restaurants that I personally have loved and half of them were shut down (Fireworks Factory, Bonfammilies, Fountain View Cafe to name a few) and I just have a hard time getting excited about the place.
 

Pumbas Nakasak

Heading for the great escape.
The place is full of damn foreigners and there no reconstituted wings beaks and spinal columns on the menu, truly the end of civilisation as we know it.
 

Lucky

Well-Known Member
The place is full of damn foreigners and there no reconstituted wings beaks and spinal columns on the menu, truly the end of civilisation as we know it.
We like takin' furriners' money, and if you want to impersonate an American, you should learn how we spell "civilization" over here.
 

sbkline

Well-Known Member
So last night I went to DHS for a few hours. I worked at DHS for almost two years and I used to go to the parks a lot as a kid. With that being said, I had an epiphany alst night and I don't know how to feel about it: Disney didn't feel the same for me. At all.

I don't know why and maybe I just had an off day but it just didn't feel the same anymore. I tried TSM which was really neat but I would never wait more than 30 minutes for it unless I was with kids or something. GMR was so incredibly boring that I fell asleep. Granted I have been on a zillion times and even did the Great movie stride at one point, it really just needs to close down. A simple,few added scenes won't do it. I think it just stinks hoping you get a great tour guide as oppose to a really lame one (which ours was). Our Bill Hader look-alike guide was enough to knock me into a coma.

ToT and RNR were fun, but once again everything just felt weird there. I don't know but I feel like maybe being a CM for so long has ruined it for me. I also got a depressing vibe from being there, almost as if the economy is really starting to affect Disney significantly. The food was absolutely disgusting and getting rid of chicken fingers was the biggest mistake ever. The nuggets they had were grotesque and I'm not a picky eater by any means. It felt really cheap and the portions were tiny. I know I know, being a former CM I know the food is expensive but I was hungry and I expected better.

I also noticed very few actual Americans in the parks. I know school is in session but it was almost all foreigners from what I experienced. It just didn't feel the same.... does anyone else agree or did I just have an off experience?

I had a similar experience on our April trip this year. The entire trip just didn't feel the same. Sure, I had fun, but I felt like the magic just wasn't there as strong as it's been on previous trips. Whereas, on our 2007 trip, I was truly bummed about packing up the van and heading home, this time around, I felt like I had gotten my fill of the place and was ready to go. And on previous trips, I am excited about planning another trip as soon as the current trip is over, but after this trip, I didn't even have much excitement for watching any WDW specials for a while after we got back home. I wasn't exactly sure why it didn't feel the same for me this time around, but I had a few ideas on what it could possibly be:

1) Possibly just burned out. After going every year (except 2006) after we got married, perhaps I am just so used to it that it's not so magical anymore and I am actually getting tired of it.

2) Possibly the fact that our son was at home. We didn't have any children up until 2006, and maybe leaving him at home didn't affect the 2007 trip as much, since it had been two years since I had been (3 years for every park except Epcot), so the "newness" of it after two years negated the fact of our son not being there.

3)Possibly the fact that when you set expectations so high in your mind, that the real thing can't possibly live up to them. When you think about the trip every day for the year or so that you're planning it, and think about every detail of the itinerary, then when you actually get down there, it's somewhat of a letdown since you can't possibly live up to the expectations that you've built up for that trip. Perhaps it would be more magical if I wouldn't obsess so much over it for so long a period of time before the trip.

4)Possibly the fact that we did the parks alot differently than before. On previous trips, we got there when the park opened, stayed all day, until dark (well, maybe not at AK and DHS, but at MK and Epcot) and then go back to the hotel for bed (or for other evening activities when we got back from AK and DHS). This time around, we did partial days, going back in the afternoon for a nap, then doing something else in the evening. Maybe I'm so used to doing it commando mode that it just takes me a while to get adjusted to doing it this other way.

I'm still not sure which of these explains why I just didn't feel the magic as much this past time as what I have previous trips. Maybe it's a combination of all four. We plan on taking our son next time, so that would take care of reason #2. And, while things may change, we really don't plan on going again until 2010, and if so, that would hopefully take care of reason #1.

I'm not trying to say that this last trip sucked or anything. I enjoyed it, I guess. But something was just different, and not for the better. And I hope that I don't get that feeling on our next trip.
 

sbkline

Well-Known Member
Actually, I didn't have a problem with the prices two or three years ago. They have gone up 34% in just those three years. Our economy, till now, hasn't slumped enough to justify a 34% increase.

My opinion would be about $70ish for a non Florida resident with a park hopper and $50ish for a Florida resident. Then with with the Magic My Way thing you would still see a discount for longer stays, just not as much as you do now.

Edit:

Heck, you are really only saving about $7 being a Florida resident now. If you go for 7 days you are only saving $2 per day as a Florida resident. A ticket for a Florida resident now is almost $70 for one day without park hopper.

I'm not sure what you mean when you talk about the economy slumping enough to justify high prices. I'm not economics expert, but IMO, the laws of supply and demand would state that the more the economy slumps, the cheaper prices should get. The more the economy slumps, the more people are going to cut out unnecessary expenditures, and trips to WDW would certainly be among the cuts made. So as more people cut their WDW trips in order to make ends meet in a slumping economy, the more business WDW is going to lose and the more they are going to need to entice guests to come. And when guests aren't coming because of their need to cut unnecessary expenditures, then WDW isn't likely to attract those guests back by raising ticket prices. They would be more likely to attract them back by cutting prices to make it more affordable in tough economic times.
 

Lucky

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure what you mean when you talk about the economy slumping enough to justify high prices. I'm not economics expert, but IMO, the laws of supply and demand would state that the more the economy slumps, the cheaper prices should get. The more the economy slumps, the more people are going to cut out unnecessary expenditures, and trips to WDW would certainly be among the cuts made. So as more people cut their WDW trips in order to make ends meet in a slumping economy, the more business WDW is going to lose and the more they are going to need to entice guests to come. And when guests aren't coming because of their need to cut unnecessary expenditures, then WDW isn't likely to attract those guests back by raising ticket prices. They would be more likely to attract them back by cutting prices to make it more affordable in tough economic times.
Yup, exactly right.
 
I'm not sure what you mean when you talk about the economy slumping enough to justify high prices. I'm not economics expert, but IMO, the laws of supply and demand would state that the more the economy slumps, the cheaper prices should get. The more the economy slumps, the more people are going to cut out unnecessary expenditures, and trips to WDW would certainly be among the cuts made. So as more people cut their WDW trips in order to make ends meet in a slumping economy, the more business WDW is going to lose and the more they are going to need to entice guests to come. And when guests aren't coming because of their need to cut unnecessary expenditures, then WDW isn't likely to attract those guests back by raising ticket prices. They would be more likely to attract them back by cutting prices to make it more affordable in tough economic times.

Oh sure, that's the way I wish it would work.

However there are two reasons businesses go up during an economic slump. First, because their cost of providing the entertainment has increased. Second, because less people are coming so it's SMART to charge more per ticket to the only people left coming. Then you alienate them as well.

:brick:
 

disney4life2008

Well-Known Member
So last night I went to DHS for a few hours. I worked at DHS for almost two years and I used to go to the parks a lot as a kid. With that being said, I had an epiphany alst night and I don't know how to feel about it: Disney didn't feel the same for me. At all.

I don't know why and maybe I just had an off day but it just didn't feel the same anymore. I tried TSM which was really neat but I would never wait more than 30 minutes for it unless I was with kids or something. GMR was so incredibly boring that I fell asleep. Granted I have been on a zillion times and even did the Great movie stride at one point, it really just needs to close down. A simple,few added scenes won't do it. I think it just stinks hoping you get a great tour guide as oppose to a really lame one (which ours was). Our Bill Hader look-alike guide was enough to knock me into a coma.

ToT and RNR were fun, but once again everything just felt weird there. I don't know but I feel like maybe being a CM for so long has ruined it for me. I also got a depressing vibe from being there, almost as if the economy is really starting to affect Disney significantly. The food was absolutely disgusting and getting rid of chicken fingers was the biggest mistake ever. The nuggets they had were grotesque and I'm not a picky eater by any means. It felt really cheap and the portions were tiny. I know I know, being a former CM I know the food is expensive but I was hungry and I expected better.

I also noticed very few actual Americans in the parks. I know school is in session but it was almost all foreigners from what I experienced. It just didn't feel the same.... does anyone else agree or did I just have an off experience?

There are no more chicken tenders at disneyworld? I HATE chicken nuggets.
 

sbkline

Well-Known Member
Oh sure, that's the way I wish it would work.

However there are two reasons businesses go up during an economic slump. First, because their cost of providing the entertainment has increased. Second, because less people are coming so it's SMART to charge more per ticket to the only people left coming. Then you alienate them as well.

:brick:

Those are reasons why businesses raise prices during a slump. Whether or not it is smart to do so, is debateable. Take my opinion for whatever it's worth (which granted, may not be much, LOL), but I think the smarter thing to do would be to take a price cut so that you could make more money in the bigger picture by having more people come down at cheaper prices, vs less people coming down at greater prices. Because those other people that will come down for cheaper prices will then proceed to buy food, souveniers, etc. On the other hand, you may have fewer people come down for a higher price (which may or may not bring in more money at the ticket booths, depending on how many would otherwise come for the cheaper prices, how many are coming at the higher prices, etc) and have that many more people NOT there spending money on food, souveniers, etc, which could consequently result in the company raking in LESS money as a result of charging more at the ticket booth. And in the process, by charging cheaper prices, you're not honking off the loyal base that keeps putting up with the price increases and coming anyway.

Like I said, just my opinion. And maybe that's why I'm a floor associate at the local Walmart and not a marketing exec for WDW. :ROFLOL:
 
Those are reasons why businesses raise prices during a slump. Whether or not it is smart to do so, is debateable. Take my opinion for whatever it's worth (which granted, may not be much, LOL), but I think the smarter thing to do would be to take a price cut so that you could make more money in the bigger picture by having more people come down at cheaper prices, vs less people coming down at greater prices. Because those other people that will come down for cheaper prices will then proceed to buy food, souveniers, etc. On the other hand, you may have fewer people come down for a higher price (which may or may not bring in more money at the ticket booths, depending on how many would otherwise come for the cheaper prices, how many are coming at the higher prices, etc) and have that many more people NOT there spending money on food, souveniers, etc, which could consequently result in the company raking in LESS money as a result of charging more at the ticket booth. And in the process, by charging cheaper prices, you're not honking off the loyal base that keeps putting up with the price increases and coming anyway.

Like I said, just my opinion. And maybe that's why I'm a floor associate at the local Walmart and not a marketing exec for WDW. :ROFLOL:

Well, the most profitable thing to do would be to make it exclusive... only for the wealthy. Less overhead for Disney and better service for the customers, which they would be paying out the butt for.

If they stick to what Walt Disney actually wanted, which I do not believe they will, then we will see cheaper prices before we see more expensive.

The trend proves they don't care what Walt wanted and that they are just like every other business out there.
 

sbkline

Well-Known Member
Well, the most profitable thing to do would be to make it exclusive... only for the wealthy. Less overhead for Disney and better service for the customers, which they would be paying out the butt for.

If they stick to what Walt Disney actually wanted, which I do not believe they will, then we will see cheaper prices before we see more expensive.

The trend proves they don't care what Walt wanted and that they are just like every other business out there.

I guess whether or not they would make more profit by making it exclusive to the wealthy, depends on how much of that demographic is interested in WDW. While there are certainly wealthy people who go to WDW, do they comprise enough of a percentage that WDW could make a profit by catering to them alone and saying heck with everyone else? Or, are the majority of the wealthy class more interested in going to the French Riviera, vacationing in Venice, doing expensive cruises, etc?

However, I suppose this is probably the wrong thread to discuss this. It started out as a thread about people visiting WDW and just not "feeling it" as much as they have on previous trips, and we're rapidly turning it into another debate about ticket prices. :lol:
 

Piebald

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
There are no more chicken tenders at disneyworld? I HATE chicken nuggets.

They are more like turd nuggets. They were absolutely disgusting. I felt so compelled to go to Guest Services but I knew no one would listen to me or take it seriously. I know that's a bad way to look at things because as a former CM I know Disney does take initiatives sometimes but it would have been useless. I was just really bummed last night. It didn't feel fun at all.

Worst of all; I didn't pay to get in.

Universal is looking better and better for me as time goes by. I've always loved both parks but UO really makes an effort to get FL residents to go. Hell, HHN is just about free for residents with all the discounts you can possibly get. I am looking forward to going again this year like crazy.
 

disneydiva72

New Member
It just didn't feel the same.... does anyone else agree or did I just have an off experience?

I agree with you, I have felt this way for like 2 years now, which is why this year is going to be our last year and then we are going to start vacationing in other places, hopefully after a few years hiatus, absence will make the heart grow fonder or maybe Disney will get this hint and get back the magic.


Universal is looking better and better for me as time goes by

We went to IOA and Universal last year and are going back this year...its ALOT of fun, give it a try....I know many here think its blasphemy to say so but it has been surpassing Disney in my opinion. I just hate Universal hotels.
 

Mr Starky

Active Member
I'll say this. I took my wife for her first time on our Honeymoon (1995). She had a great time and I, having not been there since 1981 had a great time also. We had thought about going back every year since then but just couldn't. We finally went again in 2005. It made a difference being away for that long. Yes there were some things we chose not to use up time on. Overall though it was magical. I would say take some time off and do other things. It has become so common to you now that it has lost some of it's wonderment.
 

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