Disney's Streaming Services: Disney+ (and Hulu, ESPN+, Star, & hotstar)

MarvelCharacterNerd

Well-Known Member
Well as per the agreement its going to an arbitrator to determine valuation. So Roberts can say what he wants, but its not up to him to determine price.

Also Disney is only paying Comcast 33% of whatever that determined valuation might be. So if it is $30B for all of Hulu, Disney is only paying Comcast ~$9.9B for their 33%.

So I wouldn't call that overspending, as this was always part of the original 21CF deal.
I know they're only buying out 1/3, but since they're just going to roll it into the existing infrastructure, they're essentially spending $9 billion to shut it down.

Even if they spun off Hulu live and sold that piece off, I'm not sure they'd make that money back.

Either way, it's an outlay and likely loss. Hence, overspending.

Now if they spin it off and make a profit? Okay then. But I'm not expecting it to happen.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I know they're only buying out 1/3, but since they're just going to roll it into the existing infrastructure, they're essentially spending $9 billion to shut it down.

Even if they spun off Hulu live and sold that piece off, I'm not sure they'd make that money back.

Either way, it's an outlay and likely loss. Hence, overspending.

Now if they spin it off and make a profit? Okay then. But I'm not expecting it to happen.
I still don’t see it as overspending as it’s gaining a piece not already under Disney ownership.

Also we don’t know which way they are actually merging infrastructure. For all we know Disney is utilizing Hulu infrastructure for D+ moving forward. Just because D+ is the main vertical doesn’t mean they can’t use the Hulu piece as the delivery mechanism. Especially LiveTV as you mentioned.

Point is that it’s an asset for the company and an important one no matter the cost of the 33%. Iger has already said as such.
 

DCBaker

Premium Member
More details on how the value of Hulu will be assessed.

"On Sept. 6, Comcast and Disney amended their previous deal, which would have activated the put/call options in Jan. 2024. The new agreement moves the options up to Nov. 2023, with the value of Hulu assessed as of Sept. 30.

An SEC filing from Disney on Friday afternoon outlines exactly how the companies plan to value Hulu. It’s a touchy subject, with Disney almost certainly hoping for a value as close to the $27.5 billion floor as possible (if not below it), and Comcast hoping for a number as high as possible.

According to the filing, if Disney and Comcast can’t reach a mutual agreement on the value, each company will hire an investment bank to examine Hulu’s books and come up with a valuation.

“If the two determinations are not within ten percent (10%) of each other, then the two investment banking firms select a third firm to make a third determination, in which case the equity fair value shall be the average of the two determinations that are closest in value to each other,” the filing continues.

Those investment bank appraisers will base their valuations on “Hulu’s historical financial and operating results, which shall be based solely on audited financial statements; that Hulu is valued as a going concern, carrying on its existing business activities; and Hulu’s future business prospects and projected financial and operating results, assuming that the assets, contract rights and intellectual property used in Hulu’s business that are provided by Disney will be continued and available to Hulu in a manner and on terms consistent with past practice.”

In other words, it will be numbers-based, with a bit of guesswork based on future projections and IP potential."

 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
Reading the excellent CNBC article on Bob Vs. Bob, this info stood out regarding a late 2022 corporate discussion...

"As long as the streaming service was on pace to meet its goal of 215 million to 245 million subscribers by the end of 2024, Chapek believed, the company was in good shape."

And yet here's what subscribers counts look like 9 months later...

Don't Forget To Like And Subscribe.jpg


The CNBC article is excellent, and touches on a lot of the topics we discuss in this little corner of our community. Much of the info is not new to us here, but it's interesting to have it confirmed by reputable sources that CNBC spoke with. A good afternoon read sometime this weekend when you have 10 minutes...

 

MarvelCharacterNerd

Well-Known Member
I still don’t see it as overspending as it’s gaining a piece not already under Disney ownership.

Also we don’t know which way they are actually merging infrastructure. For all we know Disney is utilizing Hulu infrastructure for D+ moving forward. Just because D+ is the main vertical doesn’t mean they can’t use the Hulu piece as the delivery mechanism. Especially LiveTV as you mentioned.

Point is that it’s an asset for the company and an important one no matter the cost of the 33%. Iger has already said as such.
Disagree. :) Time will tell.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
More details on how the value of Hulu will be assessed.

"On Sept. 6, Comcast and Disney amended their previous deal, which would have activated the put/call options in Jan. 2024. The new agreement moves the options up to Nov. 2023, with the value of Hulu assessed as of Sept. 30.

An SEC filing from Disney on Friday afternoon outlines exactly how the companies plan to value Hulu. It’s a touchy subject, with Disney almost certainly hoping for a value as close to the $27.5 billion floor as possible (if not below it), and Comcast hoping for a number as high as possible.

According to the filing, if Disney and Comcast can’t reach a mutual agreement on the value, each company will hire an investment bank to examine Hulu’s books and come up with a valuation.

“If the two determinations are not within ten percent (10%) of each other, then the two investment banking firms select a third firm to make a third determination, in which case the equity fair value shall be the average of the two determinations that are closest in value to each other,” the filing continues.

Those investment bank appraisers will base their valuations on “Hulu’s historical financial and operating results, which shall be based solely on audited financial statements; that Hulu is valued as a going concern, carrying on its existing business activities; and Hulu’s future business prospects and projected financial and operating results, assuming that the assets, contract rights and intellectual property used in Hulu’s business that are provided by Disney will be continued and available to Hulu in a manner and on terms consistent with past practice.”

In other words, it will be numbers-based, with a bit of guesswork based on future projections and IP potential."


Sorry Brian, doesn't look like you get to use the "what Hulu would fetch in an auction" to determine valuation.

However given Disney's investment in to Hulu it might end up being higher than the $30B floor that was previously mentioned.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Reading the excellent CNBC article on Bob Vs. Bob, this info stood out regarding a late 2022 corporate discussion...

"As long as the streaming service was on pace to meet its goal of 215 million to 245 million subscribers by the end of 2024, Chapek believed, the company was in good shape."

And yet here's what subscribers counts look like 9 months later...

View attachment 741704

The CNBC article is excellent, and touches on a lot of the topics we discuss in this little corner of our community. Much of the info is not new to us here, but it's interesting to have it confirmed by reputable sources that CNBC spoke with. A good afternoon read sometime this weekend when you have 10 minutes...

One thing to note, by the end of this year Hulu subs (LiveTv will still be counted separately) will end up probably being counting toward the total D+ subs when the services combine. So that puts subs for D+ and Hulu combined at 190.1M as of Q3FY23, with 4.3M for LiveTv. And LiveTv just saw a 60% increase in subs due to the Charter dispute.

And if you want to get creative, add in ESPN+ subs of 25.2M, and you have 219.6M total subs across all over Disney DTC. So really they can say the hit their targets.

But in reality less focus has been put on the number of subs, ie sub goals are really out the window. And rather the focus is now on profitability, which they still appear to be on target to hitting sometime in FY24.
 

DCBaker

Premium Member
"Disney is dangling a new deal to get customers to sign up for Hulu + Live TV — before a price hike goes into effect next month.

Hulu is offering new and eligible returning subscribers Hulu (with ads) + Live TV at a discounted rate of $49.99/month for three months — that’s nearly 29% off the current $69.99/month price. Eligible customers can visit hulu.com/live-tv to sign up for the limited-time offer.

The offer is available from Sept. 8 through Oct. 11. As of Thursday, Oct. 12, the monthly price of the Hulu + Live TV plan with ads increases to $76.99 (and the tier with no ads on VOD will also increase by $7, to $89.99). Subscribers on the promotional plan will continue to get the discounted rate through the three-month period."

Full article below.

 

Register on WDWMAGIC. This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.

Back
Top Bottom