Disney's Streaming Services: Disney+ (and Hulu, ESPN+, Star, & hotstar)

MisterPenguin

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This is an interesting pair of stories...


 

DCBaker

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The 4k restoration of Cinderella is now streaming on Disney+.

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MarvelCharacterNerd

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Might have missed it but didn't see anyone post about the latest updates for this project yet. I'm definitely intrigued by it and would watch it if it gets to Disney+ (at a time I was still subscribed or binging occasionally which I may switch to), but it's not totally clear if it will be on the US version or not?

 

MisterPenguin

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Wendy Pleakley

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Time to cancel Futurama and then bring it back...
 

willtravel

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Just wondering if anyone who has just Hulu, does that also have next day FX,FXX,FXM? Or anything on Fox channel? What is next day on Hulu apply to?

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MisterPenguin

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By Benjamin Mullin​
Sept. 1, 2023Updated 2:34 p.m. ET​
One of the biggest cable companies in the United States has a message for media companies, its major partners in a decades-old business: The traditional cable-TV model is broken, and it needs to be fixed or abandoned.​
Cable TV has become too expensive for consumers and providers, Charter Communications said in an 11-page presentation to investors on Friday, adding that cord-cutters and rising fees are contributing to a “vicious video cycle.”​
The presentation comes amid negotiations between Charter and the Walt Disney Company, owner of popular cable channels including ESPN and FX, which will not be available to Charter’s nearly 15 million pay-TV subscribers until both sides agree on how much Charter will pay Disney to carry its channels. Subscribers to Charter’s Spectrum TV service will be without access to the U.S. Open tennis tournament and college football games during a holiday weekend.​
These so-called carriage fights are commonplace in the media industry, with channels going dark for days or weeks on cable systems while the two sides — cable providers and content creators — haggle over how much the channels are worth and how to bundle them. But Charter’s suggestion that parts of its own business model are in disrepair adds a new wrinkle to the crisis facing the cable-TV business.​
The fight comes at a time of declining subscriptions: More than five million Americans end their cable-TV subscriptions annually, according to research from SVB MoffettNathanson.​
Almost every traditional media company is trying to hold on to its cash-rich cable partnerships while building streaming businesses that will eventually replace those alliances. But investors in traditional media companies have also grown impatient with attempts to build new streaming businesses, saying they are not as profitable as cable TV used to be.​
The pressure is forcing traditional media companies to wring cash from their businesses in other ways, including teaming up with competitors to bundle their streaming services.​
Adding to the challenges, tech companies like Apple and Amazon are willing to pay top dollar to acquire live sports rights, further driving up programming costs. Cable companies, for their part, have weaned themselves off depending wholly on traditional TV revenue, by offering services like wireless internet.​
But in trying to negotiate with Disney for a better deal, Charter’s presentation goes a step further, delivering a scathing indictment of the cable television industry, which has generated billions of dollars for companies like itself and Disney for decades. It’s a notable acknowledgment from Charter, one of the companies that propelled much of that growth.​
“Customers are leaving the traditional video ecosystem, and losses have accelerated,” according to Charter’s presentation.​
“Has the traditional TV ecosystem reached its proverbial tipping point?” said Richard Greenfield, a media analyst for LightShed Partners. “If ESPN is permanently gone from Charter, there will be a massive snowball effect that is catastrophic for traditional TV companies.”​
Disney did not immediately respond to a request for comment. In a statement this week, the company said it had been in negotiations with Charter and acknowledged that many of its channels had gone dark for Charter subscribers as a result of the impasse.​
“We’re committed to reaching a mutually agreed-upon resolution with Charter, and we urge them to work with us to minimize the disruption to their customers,” Disney’s statement said.​
At issue are the rates Charter will pay for Disney’s programming and how those movies and shows will be distributed to Charter’s customers in bundles. Charter has said it does not want to pay a premium for channels its customers do not watch, adding that rate increases are pushing customers to cut the cable cord.​
Christopher Winfrey, the chief executive of Charter, said on an investor call Friday that he was “disappointed” with the stalemate with Disney. He said the company had proposed an alternative model that Disney would not accept.​
“We’re either moving forward with a new collaborative video model, or we’re moving on,” Mr. Winfrey said.​
Charter’s news conference prompted a sell-off of traditional media stocks, affecting the broader entertainment industry. Shares of Paramount, Disney and Warner Bros. Discovery were all down single-digit percentages in early afternoon trading. Charter shares were down more than 3 percent.​
As viewers abandon cable television for streaming services like Netflix, cable providers like Charter and Comcast have grown frustrated with paying a premium for content that fewer people are watching through traditional means.​
Content providers like Disney are making adjustments of their own. The media giant has said it plans to offer a streaming version of ESPN, one of its most valuable TV channels, which has long been a linchpin of the traditional cable bundle. Robert Iger, Disney’s chief executive, has said he is exploring options for ESPN, including finding a new partner for distribution or content.​
On Friday, Charter said it had proposed a subscription package that included both traditional television and streaming apps, but Disney rejected its terms, said Rich DiGeronimo, president of product and technology. Charter said it was prepared to walk away from Disney’s channels, instead adopting “alternate video solutions” that included services offered by Apple and Roku.​
Charter has explored splitting off some sports programming, including regional sports networks, into a higher-cost package called Spectrum Select Plus. Mr. Winfrey said Friday that it had not pushed Disney to agree to put ESPN into that package.​
 

DCBaker

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"Disney is launching a significant promotional effort meant to help drive subscribers to the advertising-supported tier of Disney+.

Beginning Wednesday and running through Sept. 20, Disney will offer the basic ad tier for $1.99 per month for three months. The tier normally costs $7.99 per month, making the offer an $18 savings. The offer is available to both new and returning subscribers."

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DCBaker

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Comcast CEO Brian Roberts with some news on Disney buying Comcast's Hulu stake - the deadline to begin the process has moved from January 2024 to September 30, 2023.



Edited to add more details from THR.

"Roberts reported that Sept. 30 will mark an initial deadline to set in motion Disney using a put option that would require the studio that owns the remaining two-thirds in Hulu to take over its minority stake. “As of Sept. 30, after some short period of time, Disney can call, we can put, and I believe that’s what will end up happening,” Roberts told the Goldman Sachs Communcacopia + Technology Conference during a session that was webcast about the Disney-Charter carriage dispute.

He also talked about the valuation for the Hulu stake, which would likely have a floor of just under $30 billion. “I think we are excited to get this resolved and the minimum of $27.5 billion, that was just a hypothetical we picked out five years. The company is way more valuable today than it was then,” Roberts said, while arguing Hulu and Netflix are “in a class by themselves.”

He added the put call to be triggered around 30 days after the start gun is fired on Sept. 30, but that both parties were appraising the value of the Hulu stake and more possible suitors may step forward. “That’s a scarce kingmaker asset,” Roberts said of the Hulu stake set to go up for auction."

 
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doctornick

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"Disney is launching a significant promotional effort meant to help drive subscribers to the advertising-supported tier of Disney+.

Beginning Wednesday and running through Sept. 20, Disney will offer the basic ad tier for $1.99 per month for three months. The tier normally costs $7.99 per month, making the offer an $18 savings. The offer is available to both new and returning subscribers."

Full article below.

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Ad tiers seem like the preferred way to go for the companies, it's basically the cable model but over the internet instead of via cables/satellite. You make a certain fee via subscription each month plus extra money via advertising. Plus normalizing ads on streaming makes sports streaming more viable and less awkward since those broadcasts have advertising time built in.
 

MisterPenguin

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Ad tiers seem like the preferred way to go for the companies, it's basically the cable model but over the internet instead of via cables/satellite. You make a certain fee via subscription each month plus extra money via advertising. Plus normalizing ads on streaming makes sports streaming more viable and less awkward since those broadcasts have advertising time built in.
Indeed. In the quarterly call, it was stated an ad-supported sub brings in more cash than a premium tier sub.
 

Disney Irish

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Comcast CEO Brian Roberts with some news on Disney buying Comcast's Hulu stake - the deadline to being the process has moved from January 2024 to September 30, 2023.



Edited to add more details from THR.

"Roberts reported that Sept. 30 will mark an initial deadline to set in motion Disney using a put option that would require the studio that owns the remaining two-thirds in Hulu to take over its minority stake. “As of Sept. 30, after some short period of time, Disney can call, we can put, and I believe that’s what will end up happening,” Roberts told the Goldman Sachs Communcacopia + Technology Conference during a session that was webcast about the Disney-Charter carriage dispute.

He also talked about the valuation for the Hulu stake, which would likely have a floor of just under $30 billion. “I think we are excited to get this resolved and the minimum of $27.5 billion, that was just a hypothetical we picked out five years. The company is way more valuable today than it was then,” Roberts said, while arguing Hulu and Netflix are “in a class by themselves.”

He added the put call to be triggered around 30 days after the start gun is fired on Sept. 30, but that both parties were appraising the value of the Hulu stake and more possible suitors may step forward. “That’s a scarce kingmaker asset,” Roberts said of the Hulu stake set to go up for auction."



I know he was always just trying to get more valuation, but using the "what Hulu would fetch in an auction" as their basis was always suspect to me.

Also now we know why Iger started talking about the merging of D+/Hulu by the end of the year, timeline for purchase was accelerated.
 

MarvelCharacterNerd

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I know he was always just trying to get more valuation, but using the "what Hulu would fetch in an auction" as their basis was always suspect to me.
Especially since without any content - which is how it would sell on the open market - it's just a platform for programming that would need to be produced or licensed from other sources. How is that worth $30 billion or more?

As you said, he's just trying to talk up the price; but his argument is ridiculous.

Sadly, though, as with the Fox purchase, it looks like Disney is overspending. Again.
 

Disney Irish

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Especially since without any content - which is how it would sell on the open market - it's just a platform for programming that would need to be produced or licensed from other sources. How is that worth $30 billion or more?

As you said, he's just trying to talk up the price; but his argument is ridiculous.

Sadly, though, as with the Fox purchase, it looks like Disney is overspending. Again.
Well as per the agreement its going to an arbitrator to determine valuation. So Roberts can say what he wants, but its not up to him to determine price.

Also Disney is only paying Comcast 33% of whatever that determined valuation might be. So if it is $30B for all of Hulu, Disney is only paying Comcast ~$9.9B for their 33%.

So I wouldn't call that overspending, as this was always part of the original 21CF deal.
 

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