Disney's Live Action The Little Mermaid

[Disney Irish]

Of course it doesn't make you less of a fan. Again, not the point. You fan how you want to fan. All I was doing, was giving my opinion as to why paying attention to box office, as a fan, isn't useless.

And while it isn't useless to you to the rest of those here in this thread that are fans don't appear to care very much.

Again it appears to only be an important measure for those that want it to fail for various reasons.

 

[LittleBuford]

I think the spoilers thread has more discussion of what you are looking for.

Some of you are defining “spoiler” in a very peculiar and inordinately broad way here. I’ve posted nothing that gives away significant plot details. You’d learn more from a published spoiler-free review than you would from anything I’ve written in this thread.

 

[Tha Realest]

Box office is viewed as a conventional measure of success. Box office success relative to production and marketing costs help determine whether there’s a future to this franchise or similar films.

When people proclaim “it’s a hit!” and say how significant it is because a doll sold well for a few days or some stranger on Facebook was personally moved, these numbers offer an objective way to independently assess these claims.

Put simply, if you’re a fan of X, you should hope that X (or films like X) are financially successful as it will motivate a company (in this case, Disney) to do more of them.

 

[Disney Irish]

Box office is viewed as a conventional measure of success. Box office success relative to production and marketing costs help determine whether there’s a future to this franchise or similar films.

When people proclaim “it’s a hit!” and say how significant it is because a doll sold well for a few days or some stranger on Facebook was personally moved, these numbers offer an objective way to independently assess these claims.

Put simply, if you’re a fan of X, you should hope that X (or films like X) are financially successful as it will motivate a company (in this case, Disney) to do more of them.

Or simply put if you're a fan of X you just hope others enjoy it no matter the box office. Not every film needs to be turned into a franchise, some films can just stand on their own.

Overall the remakes will continue as that is what Disney has already decided no matter if this particular remake is successful at the box office or not.

 

[LittleBuford]

Box office is viewed as a conventional measure of success. Box office success relative to production and marketing costs help determine whether there’s a future to this franchise or similar films.

When people proclaim “it’s a hit!” and say how significant it is because a doll sold well for a few days or some stranger on Facebook was personally moved, these numbers offer an objective way to independently assess these claims.

Put simply, if you’re a fan of X, you should hope that X (or films like X) are financially successful as it will motivate a company (in this case, Disney) to do more of them.

Not everything needs to be about broader trends. I’m indifferent to the remakes; I don’t care one way or the other if Disney produces more of them. I just happened to really like this particular remake.

 

[erasure fan1]

And while it isn't useless to you to the rest of those here in this thread that are fans don't appear to care very much.

Again it appears to only be an important measure for those that want it to fail for various reasons.

This is the kind of back and forth that makes no sense to me. If you trace back what I originally said, it wasn't about mermaid failing. It was insight as to why someone might think box office has meaning. And why does box office numbers bother you so much. If it means nothing to you, and you think it's irrelevant, just don't worry about the people talking about it.

Some of you are defining “spoiler” in a very peculiar and inordinately broad way here. I’ve posted nothing that gives away significant plot details. You’d learn more from a published spoiler-free review than you would from anything I’ve written in this thread.

I don't care about spoilers and I wasn't saying you were giving them. You said you wanted discussion about the movie outside of box office. All I was saying is, this is more the general discussion thread. So if you want to talk more plot type stuff, that's where it is.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Let’s try to get the ball rolling then. What did you think of the way the remake handled the statue? I was initially puzzled as to why it was no longer a portrait of Eric, but I suppose having it represent humanity in general emphasises that Ariel’s desire to join the world above is motivated by more than just a romantic infatuation. That was my reading anyway.

(As @Californian Elitist has noted, the spoiler thread is largely inactive, so I’d prefer to discuss the film here. I will, of course, refrain from posting anything that constitutes a spoiler as I understand it, which is to say something that gives away a significant plot detail known only to those who’ve seen the film.)

I read it the exact same way. There’s more proof that live-action Ariel is interested in and fascinated by humans, not just Eric. Even in “For the First Time,” she sings about all these new human experiences, like seeing and touching fire and putting on clothes. She only sings about Eric at the end of the song. When she and Eric travel to the nearby village, she leaves him behind and wanders on her own, looking at everything with curiosity. She is deeply curious about humans in a way that animated Ariel isn’t.

 

[Disney Irish]

This is the kind of back and forth that makes no sense to me. If you trace back what I originally said, it wasn't about mermaid failing. It was insight as to why someone might think box office has meaning. And why does box office numbers bother you so much. If it means nothing to you, and you think it's irrelevant, just don't worry about the people talking about it.

I never said box office has no meaning to me or even bothers me. In fact if you have any interaction with me you know I follow the business side of Disney. What I'm talking about is in general to both this thread and the general public.

Overall this thread is being overrun by those that are basically cheering, not saying you, on the perceived disappointing box office. Its causing others that want to talk about just the movie itself to be drowned out by the pages and pages of box office talk, this is what @LittleBuford is talking about.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Box office is viewed as a conventional measure of success. Box office success relative to production and marketing costs help determine whether there’s a future to this franchise or similar films.

When people proclaim “it’s a hit!” and say how significant it is because a doll sold well for a few days or some stranger on Facebook was personally moved, these numbers offer an objective way to independently assess these claims.

Put simply, if you’re a fan of X, you should hope that X (or films like X) are financially successful as it will motivate a company (in this case, Disney) to do more of them.

Can’t speak for anyone else, obv, but I didn’t call it an overall “hit,” or claim it’s some hugely significant cultural movie either. Just came to share my personal enjoyment of the film and personal experience at the theatre. Never claimed it to be more than that.

 

[networkpro]

Can’t speak for anyone else, obv, but I didn’t call it an overall “hit,” or claim it’s some hugely significant cultural movie either. Just came to share my personal enjoyment of the film and personal experience at the theatre. Never claimed it to be more than that.

Movies like this use to be Disney’s theatrical bread and butter. My grandmother (God rest her soul) would drive us a few hours to Savanah to watch Disney films like Bedknobs and Broomsticks, Apple Dumpling Gang, and yes re-released Song of the South. Not high brow social commentary, but simple fare that us kids could safely watch. Wonderful Southern lady who knew the dangers of the world and was very protective.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Can’t speak for anyone else, obv, but I didn’t call it an overall “hit,” or claim it’s some hugely significant cultural movie either. Just came to share my personal enjoyment of the film and personal experience at the theatre. Never claimed it to be more than that.

And to illustrate the point being raised - I responded to this thread at post #2,022 with my initial post-viewing thoughts. 2 posts later, post #2,024, my post was quoted and the conversation immediately brought to box office.

That is what people are referring to when they say the general discussion is getting drowned out by the box office discussion.

ETA: I did not quote the post, as the poster has left the thread and requested not to be quoted further.

 

[DKampy]

Of course it doesn't make you less of a fan. Again, not the point. You fan how you want to fan. All I was doing, was giving my opinion as to why paying attention to box office, as a fan, isn't useless.

maybe I am different than most, but every film I watch I base it on it’s own merits not on what came before or after. I guess that’s why I still see value in Star Wars…because I still enjoy parts of it when I view each individual product…I never watch something for future sequels…I just want good movies, but then again I am a film fan and I can find films I enjoy in every genre

 

[Jedijax719]

Anyone who wants to discuss the film can do so.

What is stopping them?

To be honest? People like yourself who hijack the thread and respond to everything positive people way with remarks about how the film is a failure, nobody likes it, it won't break even, etc. There's your answer.

 

[LSLS]

Box office is brought up for a lot of reasons. First, there was SO much discussion about what would make this a successful movie, and I think it's totally fair to point out that this almost certainly won't be viewed as a success internally at Disney. Second, people are hoping to use box office to justify views they had (most here I would say that view is to stop these live actions. Some elsewhere definitelybfor racial reaspns). And thirdly and maybe most importantly, I think a lot of us are genuinely surprised by the box office numbers. I know I was on record as saying I had no desire to see any more remakes, but fully expected it to surpass a billion at least.

As for discussing the movie, I understand the spoiler thread is dead, but I'd think it'd be easy for people who have seen the movie to revive it. That's what it's for. I don't think it's fair to complain about people constantly bringing box office up in this thread, it's done in most other threads too. Like I said, I think the fact most are super surprised by it is going a long way here.

 

[Trauma]

To be honest? People like yourself who hijack the thread and respond to everything positive people way with remarks about how the film is a failure, nobody likes it, it won't break even, etc. There's your answer.

It won’t break even.

Doesn’t mean you can’t like it.

Seems like the best place to discuss the box office to me.

 

[LSLS]

To be honest? People like yourself who hijack the thread and respond to everything positive people way with remarks about how the film is a failure, nobody likes it, it won't break even, etc. There's your answer.

I just went and looked at the thread. There is legit one post from someone who may not have seen it (and its not really critical), and like 15 posts after that one. That's not a fair point.

 

[Trauma]

Box office is brought up for a lot of reasons. First, there was SO much discussion about what would make this a successful movie, and I think it's totally fair to point out that this almost certainly won't be viewed as a success internally at Disney. Second, people are hoping to use box office to justify views they had (most here I would say that view is to stop these live actions. Some elsewhere definitelybfor racial reaspns). And thirdly and maybe most importantly, I think a lot of us are genuinely surprised by the box office numbers. I know I was on record as saying I had no desire to see any more remakes, but fully expected it to surpass a billion at least.

As for discussing the movie, I understand the spoiler thread is dead, but I'd think it'd be easy for people who have seen the movie to revive it. That's what it's for. I don't think it's fair to complain about people constantly bringing box office up in this thread, it's done in most other threads too. Like I said, I think the fact most are super surprised by it is going a long way here.

I never knew this part of the forum existed. That’s why I never posted in a movie thread until this one.

I will be posting in all the others from now on.

I just stick to the facts so I’m sure I will get egg on my face at some point. I said Mermaid and Elemental will not do well. I still can’t figure out what’s going to happen with Indy.

I am very interested to see if Iger is actually going to do what he said he would. He said he would re-establish profit accountability.

Let’s see what happens.

 

[LittleBuford]

She is deeply curious about humans in a way that animated Ariel isn’t.

I think animated Ariel is also (and just as) deeply curious about humans, but her interest becomes focused on Eric to a degree that live-action Ariel’s doesn’t. Otherwise, I totally agree with your post!

 

[Californian Elitist]

Since we’re on the topic of Ariel, I found her way more tolerable and bearable in the live-action. I’ve mentioned this before, but Ariel is one of my least favorite Disney princesses. Live-action Ariel is more reasonable and balanced. None of that ridiculous “Daddy, I love him” nonsense from the animated version lol.

 

[LittleBuford]

Since we’re on the topic of Ariel, I found her way more tolerable and bearable in the live-action. I’ve mentioned this before, but Ariel is one of my least favorite Disney princesses. Live-action Ariel is more reasonable and balanced. None of that ridiculous “Daddy, I love him” nonsense from the animated version lol.

I mean, she was only sixteen in the animated version! Cut the girl some slack! (I adore cartoon Ariel and will defend her to the death!)