Disney's Live Action The Little Mermaid

[Jedijax719]

Haters are using "budget" to determine whether the movie is a success or not overall. That's a studio's concern. The rest are just numbers to the normal person.

The movie is a success in the US unless it completely bottoms out starting next weekend (or really during this week). Scott Mendelson is a @#$% who hates anything Disney touches.

And yes, the movie is a complete failure in Asian markets. But that has been beaten like a dead horse. No sense in discussing it unless people REALLY want to discuss it. But that opens a whole new can of worms best left for PM/IM's.

 

[Tha Realest]

Haters are using "budget" to determine whether the movie is a success or not overall. That's a studio's concern. The rest are just numbers to the normal person.

The movie is a success in the US unless it completely bottoms out starting next weekend (or really during this week). Scott Mendelson is a @#$% who hates anything Disney touches.

And yes, the movie is a complete failure in Asian markets. But that has been beaten like a dead horse. No sense in discussing it unless people REALLY want to discuss it. But that opens a whole new can of worms best left for PM/IM's.

Oh yes, the haters and their adherence to math and the laws of economics.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Is TLM being review-bombed?....

 

[Trauma]

It’s the number one movie by a lot. Can’t call it a flop.

“Woke Disney” aka mainstream USA: 1.
People who can’t handle black Ariel: 0.

$164 Global box office.

This movie may not even break even.

If it doesn’t hold next weekend it’s not only a flop but a massive red flag for Disney.

It’s all about the the global.

Even The Force Awakens couldn’t do a Billion domestically.

Everyone sick of crap Disney movies: 1

Disney Stan’s: 0

 

[Trauma]

Is TLM being review-bombed?....

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There’s Something Fishy About ‘The Little Mermaid’ Audience Review Scores On Rotten Tomatoes

Something fishy is going on with The Little Mermaid’s Rotten Tomato user reviews.

www.forbes.com

 

[tcool123]

It's not close to Aladdin. $163.8m versus $213.5m.

I believe they meant domestically. I would like to point out that most of the top ten films in theaters right now underperformed expectations this weekend it was not just Mermaid but the insustry as a whole.

this is not correct.

Since the theaters have reopened what original films have done well? First that comes to mind is Encanto, Lost City, and Free Guy alongside a smattering of smaller films that while successful their cultural impact has yet to be seen. To me there have been plenty of other films that have underperformed such as Dungeons and Dragons, Strange World, pretty much the majority of the comedies, every big budget musical, etc.

what is the highest grossing film of all time?

That was iver a decade ago, viewing habits have changed for consumers due to streaming and COVID-19.

M3GAN

If that’s the case Little Mermaid is a gold mine as it made roughly the same in its opening weekend

Is TLM being review-bombed?....

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On the first day of previews it eas alresdy at 1/10 on iMDB while the other sites for audience enjoyment were far higher

 

[Jedijax719]

Oh yes, the haters and their adherence to math and the laws of economics.

No, haters and their desperate attempt to grasp any straw they can to declare this movie a failure.

Now, if the movie ends drops over 60% in its second weekend, we can scratch our chins. If the movie ends up under $300 million domestically, we can come to the table and discuss. But at the moment, domestically, there are no math and laws of economics supporting failure.

 

[BlakeW39]

I believe they meant domestically. I would like to point out that most of the top ten films in theaters right now underperformed expectations this weekend it was not just Mermaid but the insustry as a whole.

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Since the theaters have reopened what original films have done well? First that comes to mind is Encanto, Lost City, and Free Guy alongside a smattering of smaller films that while successful their cultural impact has yet to be seen. To me there have been plenty of other films that have underperformed such as Dungeons and Dragons, Strange World, pretty much the majority of the comedies, every big budget musical, etc.


That was iver a decade ago, viewing habits have changed for consumers due to streaming and COVID-19.


If that’s the case Little Mermaid is a gold mine as it made roughly the same in its opening weekend


On the first day of previews it eas alresdy at 1/10 on iMDB while the other sites for audience enjoyment were far higher

I did not mean ever… I am talking within the last few years…I wish it was not true…I go to the theater every weak seeing all types of films from small independent to tentpole blockbusters….I see original movies all the time that deserve more money, but the biggest movie of the year is one that was nothing but member berries… this was not always the case

Nothing has 'changed' since 2009 that has made original films inherently unsuccessful. What has 'changed' is that large corporations have accurued obscene amounts of intellectual property..which has allowed them to become risk averse and create less new things because it's easier for them to just leverage what they already own...guaranteed profit. But also, no risk no reward. They're not pushing into new demographics or building new audiences making the same $#!% over and over again.

The reason less original films are successful is because less original films (blockbusters with large budgets, at least) are being made. NOT because original films are just inherently unpopular.......lol. All popular things were original at some point.

 

[BlakeW39]

No, haters and their desperate attempt to grasp any straw they can to declare this movie a failure.

The WDC defending has always been strong on this thread....but this is just crazy

 

[Trauma]

No, haters and their desperate attempt to grasp any straw they can to declare this movie a failure.

Now, if the movie ends drops over 60% in its second weekend, we can scratch our chins. If the movie ends up under $300 million domestically, we can come to the table and discuss. But at the moment, domestically, there are no math and laws of economics supporting failure.

 

[Tha Realest]

No, haters and their desperate attempt to grasp any straw they can to declare this movie a failure.

Now, if the movie ends drops over 60% in its second weekend, we can scratch our chins. If the movie ends up under $300 million domestically, we can come to the table and discuss. But at the moment, domestically, there are no math and laws of economics supporting failure.

Not sure you’ve noticed but this was a global release. I can see how you might have missed it, given the international box office numbers. Modern films - especially from companies like Disney - rely on strong international numbers to reach profitability. At this rate it needs to well exceed $300M domestically to make its money back.

 

[Jedijax719]

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Nobody's moving any goalpost. Nobody declared what success was before the movie came out. What's funny (and pathetic) is that people actually say that when a movie they don't like or don't support gets good reactions from audiences, it MUST be a conspiracy. That's pretty sad. Sounds like something you'd hear from one of those alt-right Youtube channels.

 

[Tha Realest]

Nobody's moving any goalpost. Nobody declared what success was before the movie came out. What's funny (and pathetic) is that people actually say that when a movie they don't like or don't support gets good reactions from audiences, it MUST be a conspiracy. That's pretty sad. Sounds like something you'd hear from one of those alt-right Youtube channels.

Impressive you were able to carry that strawman while also moving the goalposts

 

[Jedijax719]

Wrong.

You can’t be more wrong.

Just this forum alone a had a plethora of posters saying this was a Billion EASY.

Secondly the movie has to MAKE money. That’s somewhere between 650-750 million.

Maybe you should stop focusing on some alright right boogie man and face reality.

This movie flopped Internationally so is the entire WORLD some alt right originzation?

Hahahahah just stop.

Straw man. I am strictly talking about whether it is a success domestically. I already said it was a failure internationally. But I also said that nobody can site actual reasons, only theories.

 

[LittleBuford]

It's not close to Aladdin. $163.8m versus $213.5m.

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It's also something like the fifth highest-budget Memorial Day weekend opening ever. You can't just look at the revenue side, you have to look at revenue net of costs.


Nobody is dispute that it's doing very well with US audiences. It's a moderate-to-good success in the US. But the size of its failure internationally is remarkable.

I don’t care whether it makes a billion. It won’t, but that’s immaterial.

Will it make a profit? And how does it perform relative to similar movies (Disney live-action)? On both scores, I don’t believe you’ll be able to call this a success

In terms of domestic numbers - this film’s strength - it doesn’t compare well to others (courtesy of BoxOfficePro.com):



Internationally the numbers are even more stark:



The film needs to make $750 WW to break even. I don’t believe it will get there. Is it possible this film’s box office, like Ariel, will sprout legs? Perhaps. But the low opening weekend, tapering box office each day over the weekend, and impossibly soft international numbers are pretty strong headwinds against a chance at profitability.

I think we’re speaking at cross purposes here. To me, the box-office figures matter only insofar as what they tell us about audience enthusiasm. I really don’t care about the film’s profitability.

 

[Trauma]

I think we’re speaking at cross purposes here. To me, the box-office figures matter only insofar as what they tell us about audience enthusiasm. I really don’t care about the film’s profitability.

Maybe Iger can pitch this on the next earnings call.

Where losing money but we are doing it enthusiastically!

 

[BlakeW39]

Nobody's moving any goalpost. Nobody declared what success was before the movie came out. What's funny (and pathetic) is that people actually say that when a movie they don't like or don't support gets good reactions from audiences, it MUST be a conspiracy. That's pretty sad. Sounds like something you'd hear from one of those alt-right Youtube channels.

whew this is something else.....you are the one coming up with the conspiracy theories that the 'haters' are just trying to take down poor little billion-dollar conglomerate Disney (rather than just reporting the truth, which is what the 'haters' are actually doing), and that the movie's failure overseas is some terrible conspiracy that we can't even speak about on this thread.

 

[LittleBuford]

Maybe Iger can pitch this on the next earnings call.

Where losing money but we are doing it enthusiastically!

Again, not my concern. From my perspective, there was a lot more at stake than profit, and I for one am happy with how things are playing out—domestically at least.

 

[Jedijax719]

whew this is something else.....you are the one coming up with the conspiracy theories that the 'haters' are just trying to take down poor little billion-dollar conglomerate Disney (rather than just reporting the truth, which is what the 'haters' are actually doing), and that the movie's failure overseas is some terrible conspiracy that we can't even speak about on this thread.

I'm not trying to propose or explain what is happening on websites. There is a difference between verified and unverified audiences on RT. The unverified is a free-for-all. The verified is just that-verified. What people are saying is that RT is manipulating the verified scores by deleting negative reactions. There's no proof in that and absolutely no evidence suggesting it. That is a conspiracy and accusation. I am simply pointing out what "haters" here are doing.

 

[Chi84]

Again, not my concern. From my perspective, there was a lot more at stake than profit, and I for one am happy with how things are playing out—domestically at least.

I agree. It’s not as though Disney didn’t have a clue as to how its choices with this movie would play out in box office numbers, especially in some countries overseas.