Disney's Live Action The Little Mermaid

[celluloid]

Guardians 3 made about the same as 2, which was released in the huge build up to Infinity War. It absolutely hit expectations.

You keep ignoring WHY I remove Mario from the equation. It is a big hit. But it is not typical of the box office for 2023 - it distorts the picture.

Exorcist is having miserable test screenings and the trailer is awful. Five Nights at Freddy's is being dumped on Peacock day-and-date, a sure sign of a stinker (it will likely make money, though). The first Trolls made less globally then Elemental (the second one came out during the pandemic so its not fair to judge). Migration lacks a major hook - its a wild card, but I have no idea why you'd take it over Wish.

Blumhouse has rarely, if ever had a movie lose money. I think both will do ok. Exorcist could be rocky, but even the Blumhouse Halloween movies did well and they were not really great even for an overplayed slasher. Again, budget and investment. Five Nights at Freddy's is still expected to do incredibly well in its theatrical side of things.

Illumination has yet to bomb, Disney animation has. Illumination is a brand, subjectivity aside that has increased. Disney has had diminished. Investors would say taking on Wish is a risk after other DIsney animated originals of recent underperformed theatrically. (remember Encanto losing to Sing 2?) We are not talking about subjectivity. But business likelyhood.
The first Trolls movie was not in Universal's hands.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Blumhouse has rarely, if ever had a movie lose money. I think both will do ok. Exorcist could be rocky, but even the Blumhouse Halloween movies did well and they were not really great even for an overplayed slasher. Again, budget and investment. Five Nights at Freddy's is still expected to do incredibly well in its theatrical side of things.

Illumination has yet to bomb, Disney animation has. Illumination is a brand, subjectivity aside that has increased. Disney has had diminished. Investors would say taking on Wish is a risk after other DIsney animated originals of recent underperformed theatrically. (remember Encanto losing to Sing 2?) We are not talking about subjectivity. But business likelyhood.
The first Trolls movie was not in Universal's hands.

You're right. When people hear Trolls 3 is being distributed by Universal and not Fox, they'll FLOCK to the theaters.

 

[celluloid]

You're right. When people hear Trolls 3 is being distributed by Universal and not Fox, they'll FLOCK to the theaters.

The point is you can't count it either way. It does not benefit nor hurt either company in question. I don't believe DIsney owned Fox at the time of its production or release. But that is the one thing you saw in that? A potential "gocha?" Rather than the conversation that was actually happening?

 

[TP2000]

Disney did have a Guardians this year, which as you probably know is the second biggest film of the year.

Disney has made only $56 Million in global box office profit from Guardians 3.

It's $250 Million production budget, and a global marketing budget of at least $100 Million (likely more) means it can't even begin to cover the hundreds of millions of dollars Disney has now lost from Mermaid, Elemental and Indy 5.

Next up in Disney's no good box office summer; Haunted Mansion, that had a production budget of $155 Million for some bizarre reason.

 

[celluloid]

Disney has made only $56 Million in global box office profit from Guardians 3.

It's $250 Million production budget, and a global marketing budget of at least $100 Million (likely more) means it can't even begin to cover the hundreds of millions of dollars Disney has now lost from Mermaid, Elemental and Indy 5.

Next up in Disney's no good box office summer; Haunted Mansion, that had a production budget of $155 Million for some bizarre reason.

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Shhh, you are hurting the gotcha's. Disney MUST HAVE HAD A SMASH HIT THAT SAVED ALL OTHER FAILURES and lackluster releases!

And again, not like they can keep relying on it. Let's do a Guardians Vol 4 years from now, that will only increase the budget by another 100 million to get everyone back and well written will cost a lot more presuming the strikes are any indication.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Hey, anyone want to provide a reputable source for the film profit formula that is used constantly here?

 

[drizgirl]

Yayy for Avatar 3, 4 and 5 i guess.

Gonna be a long wait for this recovery.

 

[drizgirl]

You keep ignoring WHY I remove Mario from the equation. It is a big hit. But it is not typical of the box office for 2023 - it distorts the picture.

I bet some movie execs have said these same words in staff meetings.

 

[celluloid]

I bet some movie execs have said these same words in staff meetings.

I bet. Ha.

They are going to have to remove Barbie too so Universal and WB can help Disney feel better by removing their slam dunks of the year from the picture. It distorts it or something.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I bet. Ha.

They are going to have to remove Barbie too so Universal and WB can help Disney feel better by removing their slam dunks of the year from the picture. It distorts it or something.

Is the domestic box office strong in 2023? Is the international box office strong in 2023? What has been the dominant trend in the 2023 box office? How is WB doing overall, even taking the Barbie slam dunk into our calculations?

 

[celluloid]

Is the domestic box office strong in 2023? Is the international box office strong in 2023? What has been the dominant trend in the 2023 box office?

The movies that broke the trend.

 

[Casper Gutman]

The movies that broke the trend.

OK, so there’s a trend. What is it?

And the movies that broke it - how do they stack up against previous years? In other words, what trends persist even in the box office of successful films?

 

[Disstevefan1]

$560,848,888 gross so far.

It cost 250m to make and say 100m to market, that's 350m total costs.

Let's say Disney get half of the box office gross back into their pockets.

TLM needs to take home 70m more to break even.

Aside from box office, they got streaming rental, purchase, and physical media. It will probably break even eventually.

 

[celluloid]

OK, so there’s a trend. What is it?

And the movies that broke it - how do they stack up against previous years? In other words, what trends

Read this post again

Then read my answer the ones who break trends being the situation again.
Think about the fatigue and reliance on franchises and same old same old with the majority of releases.

Post like this post if you want to argue with yourself...

The movies, that broke the trends were hits. The non expecting many tent pole releases, the ones with some risk but good production got big rewards. Now that you realize this. You realize you are trying to come to this same conclusion.

The winner, is not the company who will continue to rely heavily on the MCU, big budget live action from cartoon and Haunted Mansion remakes.

 

[Trauma]

I bet. Ha.

They are going to have to remove Barbie too so Universal and WB can help Disney feel better by removing their slam dunks of the year from the picture. It distorts it or something.

So what we are going to do is remove all the movies that made money this year. These are anomaly’s. We know this because Disney movies are losing money.

You see this is all because of streaming. That massive success Disney plus only lost 4 million subs and should hit that 260M sub goal any day now.

Also many of these Disney failures have been released in the SUMMER. It is freaking hot in the summer.

I understand you have an agenda, an axe to grind.

You like to argue in “bad faith”.

The reality is Disney movies are doing better than ever. Disney just paid Disney 100M to stream TLM.

That tells you all you need to now about the quality of that film. 100M !!!

I heard that Disney is in deep negotiations with Disney to also purchase the streaming rights to Elemental.

The money is just raining down in Burbank.

Hail Iger!!

 

[DKampy]

I bet. Ha.

They are going to have to remove Barbie too so Universal and WB can help Disney feel better by removing their slam dunks of the year from the picture. It distorts it or something.

I think Casper is referring to box office trends compare this year to 2019

 

[celluloid]

I think Casper is referring to box office trends compare this year to 2019

I am aware and mean the same thing. He asked when he compared these hit films of this year. Everything either enhances or diminishes the brand. This was the first year some of those remakes and go to sequels had none perform as they should have.

The most original(as something can be) if we may have Casper's permission to accept and count them, are the risks that have never had a film like them before. Mario finally gets a good imagining after a flop attempt thirty some odd years ago that was a different medium by an animation studio the general public loves, Barbie takes a live action satire approach, Oppenheimer gives a good historical biopic no one ever touches anymore. The indie movie must be a scam because it was a hit. Don't count it, that's fine.

The movies that broke the trends of that Hollywood won trust back with audiences. History shows, such as with The Bearded wonder era they usually do.
The movies that gained the momentum back for all studios were the originals. There is only one studio who did not gain the trust back for the theatrical dollar and they are the ones who rely the most on tent pole continuations, remakes of their own spin offs.
And who is that? The Dis.

 

[Disstevefan1]

The film will have a negative ultimate. You are grossly overestimating it’s downstream revenues.

To be honest, I have no idea what down stream revenue that actually comes back to Disney.

It would be cool to see the down stream revenue for a past move just to get an idea.

Do you really think TLM will not eventually break even?

 

[LittleBuford]

The movies that gained the momentum back for all studios were the originals.

And Avatar, which conveniently keeps being left out of the equation.

 

[celluloid]

And Avatar, which conveniently keeps being left out of the equation.

What you quoted me for was in reference to 2023 trends of what did the best. Avatar was 2022. But if we want to go there anyway. Nope. It did not get left out. Read my previous posts. Avatar is film 2 of its series and had all the hype of the first of people.wanting that again.(no one really got that feeling, so we will see whenever three does happen) I literally inferred that it is Disney's meal ticket they are going to be relying on with their current climate
Don't put words, or take them out of my posts please.

It was even mentioned specifically by me in previous posts that Disney will now be hoping and counting on the next ones, to which others replied we know how long that will take. It was also a movie than a decade after the first, hardly oversaturated. It also did second domestically to a Top Gun sequel, a movie that had two decades plus. Not oversaturated either.

Hence, my previous post saying Yayy Avatar 2, 3 and four.