Disney's free buses leave cabs in lurch

jcraycraft

Member
Original Poster
Looks like Disney's Magical Express is working... but I would have thought must people using DME would have used Mears before, not cabs.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/busi...jul06,0,7111375.story?coll=orl-home-headlines


Disney's free buses leave cabs in lurch
By Steve J. Collins
Sentinel Staff Writer

July 6, 2005

The parents of 3-year-old Noah Hockenberry weren't looking forward to shepherding him through Orlando International Airport while dragging the family's luggage.

So for their Orlando vacation they chose a new Walt Disney World program -- Disney's Magical Express -- that allowed them to skip the baggage carousel and walk straight to a free bus that took them to the Pop Century Resort. After checking their luggage at a West Virginia airport, the Hockenberrys didn't see the bags again until they were delivered to their room.

Visitors such as the Hockenberrys rave about the 2-month-old service. But some in Orlando's tourism industry say Magical Express is causing not-so-magical financial distress for cabbies, limo drivers and the other little guys who could always count on the bucks they make from Disney visitors.

Some cab drivers report losing as much as 90 percent of their business, and limo services say business is down by more than a third. There's even evidence that car-rental agencies have been affected.

Then there's the possibility that the new bus service will result in fewer guests leaving Disney property to frequent restaurants, shops and theme parks.

Disney officials wouldn't provide specific figures but said "hundreds of thousands" of guests have already used the service since its debut in May. Those are hundreds of thousands of people who didn't take a cab, limo or rental car from the airport to their hotels.

"The question we ask is how is this going to affect our local community, and we think it's going to hurt," said Randy Terranova, president of 5 Star Limousine Service.

Disney World officials see a brighter side.

"We believe that Magical Express and programs like it will drive additional tourists to Central Florida, and that benefits everybody," Disney spokeswoman Kim Prunty said.

Few would dispute Disney's right to battle for every dollar it can get its hands on, just as its competition does. However, some suggest it's not always a fair fight.

"You've got a large Mouse, and this Mouse casts a very large shadow," said Mark I. Hopkinson, a public-relations consultant retained by a group of limo drivers. "It's a David and Goliath story with the images reversed."

If Magical Express is a dream come true for families such as the Hockenberrys, it's closer to a nightmare for the Banol family.

Thirty-seven-year-old Alcy Banol drives a cab to support his wife and three children. Banol said the Disney buses have made a tough job even more demanding. "Oh, they're just killing us," he said.

He used to be able to count on two or three runs from Orlando International Airport to Disney World each day. Each trip meant at least $50 plus tip. Now, he says, he might take three trips a week to Disney.

Already working six days a week, he says he has been forced to work a couple of extra hours each day to make up for lost fares to Disney. Twelve-hour days or longer are routine.

"My son is 7, so now he's protesting: 'Daddy, when are we going to play soccer?' "

Fami Raja, co-owner of 1A Orlando Airport Transportation, said his business is down about 90 percent since Disney introduced its shuttle service.

"We're going to go out of business," Raja said. "I'm looking for a new business already."

Banol and Raja are not alone. On a recent afternoon at the airport's "bullpen," where cabbies wait in line to be called to pick up the next fare, more than a dozen drivers talked about how Magical Express has cut dramatically into their business.

Cabbie Sony Saint Fleurose says that more than 80 percent of his business has evaporated, and he no longer makes any trips to Disney in a typical week. Like many drivers, he spends even more time in his taxi now than before.

Driver Rick Bryant says summer is always a slow time for cabbies because it means fewer conventioneers.

"The buses take away probably 50 percent of the business, and now this summer is going to be even worse than normal," he said.

Officials with the Greater Orlando Livery Association, which represents 180 limousine companies with 600 vehicles, say their members are reporting that business is down 30 percent to 40 percent from last summer.

"It's not our intention to put anybody out of business, but we are trying to look at new ways to enhance the customer experience," said Bill Jennings, executive director of Orlando International Airport. Airport officials will meet with representatives of the livery association today to discuss their concerns.

Jennings noted that this is an 18-month pilot program under evaluation by the airport and Disney.



Magical Express is just the latest Disney initiative designed to get people to spend more time and money on Disney property. "They want to ensure that, when you get to Walt Disney World, you're staying there and your dollars stay there," said Deb Wills, a longtime Disney observer who operates a Web site aimed at Disney visitors.

If Disney's strategy is successful in keeping more people on its property, observers say, then that money has to come at the expense of some other local business.

For example, the Hockenberrys had considered staying at a relative's time share in the area.

"Once we heard about Magical Express, we said, 'This is definitely the way to go,' " Kelly Hockenberry said. The family never left Disney World during its week in Orlando. If the family had stayed in a time share, she said, it would have rented a car and tried to squeeze in trips to SeaWorld and Universal Studios.

Whether the Hockenberrys are the exception or the rule remains to be seen.

"It's still early for this experiment," said Abe Pizam, dean of the Rosen College of Hospitality Management at the University of Central Florida. "You need a period of time before you'll know the effects."

Pizam said that, although Magical Express' effect on the region's overall economy is likely to be negligible, it will produce individual winners and losers.

"The rental-car business will be affected, there's no question," he said. However, he doesn't see a big effect at this point because most visitors still want the "freedom" of a car.

Hope Osamor, a district manager with Orlando Rental Car, agreed.

"Disney isn't going to drive you to Daytona Beach," he said.

Airport officials don't yet have figures on the number of rental cars leaving the property since the start of Disney's bus-and-luggage service, but there's anecdotal evidence to suggest that Magical Express may be reshaping the rental-car landscape.

"It's hard to say if we're being affected or not, but I know we're seeing a decrease in business for this time of year," said Sherri Stapp, a supervisor at U Save Auto Rentals.

John Moran, a manager overseeing rentals for Disney hotels, said Alamo is seeing fewer rentals at the airport and more rentals on Disney property, though he declined to provide specific figures. If more people wait until they get to their hotel to rent a car, that's a decided advantage for National/Alamo, which has an exclusive contract to rent cars on Disney property.

"The other competitors we have, they're not real thrilled" with Magical Express, Moran said.

John Padgett, vice president of Walt Disney World products and services development, said the free bus-and-luggage program has created about 500 jobs, some within Disney and others with contractors. In addition to the bag service, customers of many airlines can pick up their return boarding passes while still on Disney property.

"It's pretty much a total transformation of the guest arrival and departure system," Padgett said.

That's good news for Disney but potentially bad news for the folks who profit when Disney visitors get out on the town.

The limousine association's Terranova worries that his members are just the first people to feel the effects of Disney's latest move.

"This is just the beginning," Terranova says, "and we're on the front end of it."

Steve J. Collins can be reached at scollins@orlandosentinel.com or 407-420-5664.
 

casualrdt

New Member
Um... I took the Magical Express back in May. I was a good service no doubt, but I did not rent a car and did use a few taxi cabs getting around Disney property and to go to international drive...something I never do when going to WDW and I am in Orlando at least twice a year. Once for Disney.. again to visit friends. I can see half the argument.
 

Dayma

Well-Known Member
Taxi's are two expensive and not the way I like to travel so I say thanks to Disney for providing a superior service.
 

wannab@dis

Well-Known Member
It's called business... people complain about jobs being scarce. But when jobs are created, they complain that some are just "transferred". It's a fact of life and will continue.

I thought it was interesting to see the negative slant given to Deb Wills' (wdwig.com) statement about staying on property. Either she did a poor job of commenting or they did her an injustice with the context.
 

Kadee

New Member
Disney does something good for it's guests and people complain. Isn't that par for the course? I'm sorry that the cab drivers are making less money. So get another job. That is what most people do. The world is not going to spread the wealth. Never has, never will. People are going to do what is best for them. If I had the choice of taking Disney's FREE Magical Express or paying the inflated cab prices, you bet I'm going the Disney FREE route.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
The monorail failed, the MAGLEV failed, so now it`s just ordinary busses - adding to the nightmare of I-4...

It`s strange to think about not venturing off property for foreigners - I for one wouldn`t do Orlando without a car (nor would friends and relatives)

On our last trip, out of 13 full days, we visited USF (day and a half), Seaworld (day), Busch Gardens (day), KSC and Coccoa Beach (day) and spent a wet Saturday shopping. There is so much freedom with your own transport; we could pop over to the MK in the morning, have lunch at Celebration, redo Futureworld in the afternoon and have a dip at the CBR before dinner and Fantasmic!

Not to mention Disney`s internal busses arn`t always the best answer for staying on property (although we did use them a lot) - no, a hire car is a must.
 

wannab@dis

Well-Known Member
marni1971 said:
... [snip]... no, a hire car is a must.

Sounds to me like you are talking more about a Rental car than a taxi, limo or shuttle. I personally don't think the rental agencies are the losers here. Their customers would probably still rent with or without the "free" shuttle service since they want the freedom of having a car when/if they need it.

It appears the article was talking more about the "livery" service, or pay-per-trip such as the taxi cabs, limo, town car or shuttle services. People that were using these services have never cared whether they have a car or not. These are the people that will use DME and in turn will cause the livery service providers to lose some money.

One last thing to keep in mind is that the service is new. Most people will try something that is free at least once. We really don't know how well the service will perform as a repeat. So as the "newness" wears off, more people may return to the previous livery services and their business will start increasing.
 

Kadee

New Member
wannab@dis said:
It's called business... people complain about jobs being scarce. But when jobs are created, they complain that some are just "transferred". It's a fact of life and will continue.

I thought it was interesting to see the negative slant given to Deb Wills' (wdwig.com) statement about staying on property. Either she did a poor job of commenting or they did her an injustice with the context.

LOL....It's probably the reporter....I do freelance photography for our local paper and I see them do it all the time. They have even changed my cut lines to fit their "slant." They just want more readers and will do anything to get it. Deb Wills has such a great reputation and I think she would have made sure her comments were well thought out before speaking them.
 

Pioneer Hall

Well-Known Member
Disney is finally doing what they have been trying to do for years, get people to Disney and keep them there the whole time they are on vacation.

Think of how great the options of a Disney vacation would work for someone who isn't familiar with it all...

1. There is a FREE shuttle service that will take you to your resort and make sure your bags are there not too long after. Then on the way home it all works the same and you are checked in for your flight before you leave the lobby. Why would anyone want a rental car or limo when Disney is doing this as easilly as possible.

2. Vacations packages can now be customized to about every style and budget. If you don't want to go to the water parks, you no longer have to purchase tickets for the water parks. Everything is up to you. Then with tickets getting substatially cheaper per day as you climb the ladder (ex: dollar difference between the 6 day and 7 day passes) people are just going to extend their trips since it doesn't cost too much more (But for every day that gets extended Disney still gets food and souvenier money). This just keeps you at Disney longer and keeps you away from the other theme parks in Central Florida.

3. How about all the food you need for a price that is actually incredibly fair (we could almost say cheap). Why would I want to go off property when Disney has 200+ restaurants that I can eat at and they are only charging me $35 per day. I think that this might be the icing on the cake, and hopefully Disney is upselling this as much as possible. If you eat a counter service and even an off propertry table service meal each day there is almost no way you are spending under 35 per person. This truly is a deal that I would push anyone towards getting.

4. By having tickets that expire, Disney will no longer really be that 1 or 2 day place. People will not really add on a no expiration feature for a ticket when it costs as much as it does, to preserve one or two days. This means that people will stop making Disney a side trip on their way to somewhere else. They will just be more willing to go again because that new 5 or 6 day pass isn't much more expensive than the pass would have cost if it were no expiration.

So it seems that Disney is indeed going to really hurt the rest of the area they are in. And that is exactly what they want to do. Whoever is the brains behind these packages and offers is a true genius. They are finally making WDW an inclusive spot and keeping people from wanting to go elsewhere.
 

psuchad

Active Member
I love this. Now people are actually complaining about others taking public transportation instead of hundreds of polluting cars. It’s funny how opinions change when it's your lifestyle that gets affected.
 

wannab@dis

Well-Known Member
psuchad said:
I love this. Now people are actually complaining about others taking public transportation instead of hundreds of polluting cars. It’s funny how opinions change when it's your lifestyle that gets affected.

Isn't that just the perfect nutshell for this article. Bravo! :sohappy:
 
DisneyInsider said:
Disney is finally doing what they have been trying to do for years, get people to Disney and keep them there the whole time they are on vacation.

Think of how great the options of a Disney vacation would work for someone who isn't familiar with it all...

1. There is a FREE shuttle service that will take you to your resort and make sure your bags are there not too long after. Then on the way home it all works the same and you are checked in for your flight before you leave the lobby. Why would anyone want a rental car or limo when Disney is doing this as easilly as possible.

2. Vacations packages can now be customized to about every style and budget. If you don't want to go to the water parks, you no longer have to purchase tickets for the water parks. Everything is up to you. Then with tickets getting substatially cheaper per day as you climb the ladder (ex: dollar difference between the 6 day and 7 day passes) people are just going to extend their trips since it doesn't cost too much more (But for every day that gets extended Disney still gets food and souvenier money). This just keeps you at Disney longer and keeps you away from the other theme parks in Central Florida.

3. How about all the food you need for a price that is actually incredibly fair (we could almost say cheap). Why would I want to go off property when Disney has 200+ restaurants that I can eat at and they are only charging me $35 per day. I think that this might be the icing on the cake, and hopefully Disney is upselling this as much as possible. If you eat a counter service and even an off propertry table service meal each day there is almost no way you are spending under 35 per person. This truly is a deal that I would push anyone towards getting.

4. By having tickets that expire, Disney will no longer really be that 1 or 2 day place. People will not really add on a no expiration feature for a ticket when it costs as much as it does, to preserve one or two days. This means that people will stop making Disney a side trip on their way to somewhere else. They will just be more willing to go again because that new 5 or 6 day pass isn't much more expensive than the pass would have cost if it were no expiration.

So it seems that Disney is indeed going to really hurt the rest of the area they are in. And that is exactly what they want to do. Whoever is the brains behind these packages and offers is a true genius. They are finally making WDW an inclusive spot and keeping people from wanting to go elsewhere.

I must say that might have been one of the best post ive read. All you points are true, and you have the evidence to back it up. I completley agree on that.
 

jcraycraft

Member
Original Poster
DisneyInsider said:
Disney is finally doing what they have been trying to do for years, get people to Disney and keep them there the whole time they are on vacation.


Great points.... I remember back in the 70's the area near WDW (192) had almost no hotels, dining or anything....except maybe for the Jellystone Campground lol. All those business road WDWs coat-tails and I bet they never complained about that. Now Disney is taking back some of what they lost out on. These cabs/business will need to adapt in order to survive... but thats the way it goes.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
wannab@dis said:
Sounds to me like you are talking more about a Rental car than a taxi, limo or shuttle..

Yep, I was. I meant that for a large ammount of visitors, any service Disney lays on won`t be used - we`ll still be using a 3rd party (even if it is the `official` rental company)
 

DopeysGirl1226

New Member
For my group, when we went in May, we used the Magical Express, and by doing so it allowed us extra money to go to Universal and to Seaworld. If we had to pay for the trip to our hotel we would of had to choose one. I feel that the magical express allowed us to add to our vacation, and I would use it everytime I go if its available!

:)
 
Um, I don't think that Deb Wills' quote had a "negative slant" to it at all. It's fact through and through.

Although Disney hasn't issued a press statement stating that the intended purpose of Magical Express is to keep guests and their money on Disney property, it isn't exactly hard for one to figure out.

Since Wills is doing nothing but commenting on this, I hardly see how one could say it's a negative comment.

And, on another tangent, I'm sure that one thing Disney is watching very closely is the amount of cars rented on property. I'm willing to bet that if Disney determins that a significant number of individuals who use Magical Express rent a car on property and leave anyway, then DME will go buh-bye.
 

wannab@dis

Well-Known Member
ThreeCircles said:
Um, I don't think that Deb Wills' quote had a "negative slant" to it at all. It's fact through and through.

I didn't say the quote was negative. I said the quote was USED in a negative slant within the article.
 

Scar

Active Member
IIRC, DME will be free through the end of HCOE (Dec 2006). It will be interesting to see what they charge once it gets to that point.

From someone who used to rent cars but will now take DME, I personally am thrilled with the service and glad they took this step.
 

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