Disneyland's Rise Of The Resistance - Reviews, Criticism, Deep Thoughts

It’s just part of society’s need to feel like they accomplished something, when actually have done nothing.

Congrats! You’re a winner! #sobrave #youreamazing

Oh, that and bad, lazy WDI storytelling.

This is a very strange/disingenuous take to me. Feel like we lose sight of the fact that these rides are designed primarily for families, and thus to be as magical as possible from the POV of kids. What's wrong with making them feel like they're part of this epic story, and therefore brave, amazing, etc...? I feel like that dimension of character affirmation is one of the cool hallmarks of Disney that is completely lost at other theme parks, and IMO a super important thing for kids (of all ages) to hear and internalize. Again, just IMO.
 

yensidtlaw1969

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It’s just part of society’s need to feel like they accomplished something, when actually have done nothing.

Congrats! You’re a winner! #sobrave #youreamazing

Oh, that and bad, lazy WDI storytelling.
This is a very strange/disingenuous take to me. Feel like we lose sight of the fact that these rides are designed primarily for families, and thus to be as magical as possible from the POV of kids. What's wrong with making them feel like they're part of this epic story, and therefore brave, amazing, etc...? I feel like that dimension of character affirmation is one of the cool hallmarks of Disney that is completely lost at other theme parks, and IMO a super important thing for kids (of all ages) to hear and internalize. Again, just IMO.
I'm more inclined to agree with the "lazy storytelling" angle than the first part. I don't think anyone really walks off a ride like Rise feeling like THEY accomplished something for riding, except perhaps the smallest children who might take the compliment to heart.

I do think it's likely intended as a shortcut to "interaction" more than it is an attempt to actually affirm anyone, but I agree that 1) It's a lazy way to do it since we generally DON'T actually "help" the characters in the ride by simply being on it, and 2) That this sort of "character affirmation" isn't automatically a bad thing. But where these two intersect is where I see a problem - baseless affirmation generally feels like what it is, and studies have shown that even children tend to have a good barometer for whether they've genuinely earned praise or they're being pandered to.

At that point the differentiating factor is how interactive the experience actually was, and whether the guest has the chance to really feel like they've actually made some sort of difference in the experience. Which is to say that if you're going to include this sort element in an attraction you have to walk the line of to both giving guests the opportunity to be involved in a meaningful way, yet isn't so difficult to achieve that you risk the affirmation feeling hollow. Which is hard to do when your audience covers all ages.

Because obviously no one's gonna be happy if you get off a ride hearing "well, you're not really great at being a Space Cadet, but nice of you to drop by anyway!", so that's not the direction they're gonna go.

At least in Rise it's very likely you haven't given up the location of the secret base by the time you've gotten off the ride(@britain aside), not that they ever really tested your ability to keep the secret outside of some fun intimidation by the First Order CM's. The Resistance gets you out of there before Kylo has the chance to squeeze it out of you. So . . . walks the fine line, but not in any really satisfying way. It's hard to feel proud for not answering a question we're never really asked.
 

RobWDW1971

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This is a very strange/disingenuous take to me.
Nope, entirely sincere.

Raise you hands to be scanned!!!! Raise your hands now!!!! Yay, you did it!!!! Thanks for saving the day!!!!

There was a time parks had more respect for all of their guests, even children, and didn’t talk to everyone like toddlers. I used to run around Tom Sawyer’s Island as a kid having adventures, climbing rocks, and (god forbid) shooting the guns at invading Indians.

Thank god we didn’t need Disney pandering to us back then with “You did it!!!” “You saved the fort!!!” “You’re so brave!!!”

But then again, we didn’t need emotional support animals when we went into the workforce either...
 

RobWDW1971

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We can all agree that we helped bring E.T. home and save his planet.
Tha-nk you Geo-rge.

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Mickeyboof

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I actually liked the story- we were being shuttled to safety, caught, then rescued. All we had to do what place our trust in the Resistance to save us.

The only instructions we really got were “supervise your children” which is more of a legal thing than a Batuu thing.
 

THE 1HAPPY HAUNT

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This just seems odd to me. They created this character to just hide around in the land but doesn't tie into anything else? I guess at least it's some kind of live entertainer. I would think she would have a bigger role on the ride or somewhere in the land based on that video and the fact that she has been a character there for months.
The character was supposed to be part of the live stage show in the land that got cut. now she just walks around like a homeless person.
 

THE 1HAPPY HAUNT

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They actually do cover their tracks on this one:

Rey tells us in the Preshow the Resistance Outpost is not safe because a Star Destroyer is on its way to the Batuu System . . . the Star Destroyer that ends up capturing us and suffering debilitating damage by the time we've escaped back to Batuu, negating its ability to attack. We also learn between Bek's dictation and Kylo's interrogation that they don't know the exact location of the Resistance Base, just that they suspect it's on Batuu. At the end of the ride Bek tells us that the location of the Base is secure because they didn't get it out of us. So Batuu is just as safe after our ride as it was before with Kylo and the Stormtroopers walking around. You could argue both before and after that they're exploring the planet trying to gather intel on the location of the base. The events are written in a circular-enough way that it checks out.
I disagree. They can easily send another Star Destroyer with Kylo on it and find the base. Batuu is not safe. Rey says so herself. the events of the ride still do not make Batuu safe. also, also. what is finn doing on the star destroyer in the first place? rey says he and some others infiltrated it but for what purpose? did they know ahead of time we were going to be kidnapped?
 
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THE 1HAPPY HAUNT

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They actually do cover their tracks on this one:

Rey tells us in the Preshow the Resistance Outpost is not safe because a Star Destroyer is on its way to the Batuu System . . . the Star Destroyer that ends up capturing us and suffering debilitating damage by the time we've escaped back to Batuu, negating its ability to attack. We also learn between Bek's dictation and Kylo's interrogation that they don't know the exact location of the Resistance Base, just that they suspect it's on Batuu. At the end of the ride Bek tells us that the location of the Base is secure because they didn't get it out of us. So Batuu is just as safe after our ride as it was before with Kylo and the Stormtroopers walking around. You could argue both before and after that they're exploring the planet trying to gather intel on the location of the base. The events are written in a circular-enough way that it checks out.
and the base they want the location of is not the one on batuu but on bacarra(sic) that is the one beck says is safe not batuu. the ride makes it clear batuu has been found out and its time to go. only we evacuate back to batuu? They made a big deal about getting us to Leia. guess at the end the main plot is not important anymore for some reason. it's "spinning your wheels" the ride. you end up exactly how you started with no plot development very much like the new trilogy.
 
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DavidDL

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The Star Destroyer is on it's way to Batuu, it hasn't found the Resistance's presence there yet. Rey says the location is not longer "safe"/"secure". Your evacuation is more of preemptive measure in case they do find where the Resistance has been hiding. A major battle ensues and the Star Destroyers in the system are crippled and you take a First Order Escape Transport back to Batuu. It's worth nothing that (at least on the toys of these vehicles) that these are actual pilot-able vehicles, not just pods that drop straight down, which means they could theoretically have gone anywhere, including back aboard the Resistance fleet which literally just arrived moments ago with some pretty major ships. It would stand to reason the First Order doesn't know where every single escape vehicle went (and we do see that there are plenty of them per Star Destroyer).

So, put yourself in the position of the First Order in the immediate aftermath of what just happened. The fleet you brought is crippled and the real "meat" of the Resistance has just arrived to engage you while a small handful of theoretical "new recruits" with probable limited knowledge just disappeared potentially anywhere (you certainly didn't notice in all the madness that just ensued), do you really devote enough of your resources back down to Batuu to investigate a group of newbies who may or may not even be there anymore or try to randomly bombard (the rather large planet) aimlessly? After all, most smart folks would probably jump planet once they had landed (and we have to remember that Black Spire is just one outpost on this planet, you could literally be anywhere). Or, do you choose to engage/chase down the actual Resistance that just arrived instead of chasing "scraps"?

The post-story more or less makes sense to me, especially when you consider that Kylo Ren and Hux are at a frequent disconnect in the films with how they choose to handle the First Order and how they feel it's resources should be allocated. Hux probably felt it best to pursue the actual Resistance fleet using the First Order's might than go after a couple stragglers who could be anywhere by the time the battle has ended (explaining why we do not see him further on Batuu). Kylo on the other hand, decides the issue is worth investigating further (which is why he still hangs around).

But at the end of it all, you need to suspend your disbelief to a degree and remember you are in a theme park. If nitpicking like that is truly an issue for someone, they probably shouldn't ride this awesome attraction more than once because in their mind, the events are happening exactly the same, twice, in the same canon. You just have to accept that you are re-living/re-experiencing a certain point in time in a larger story and take it for what it is worth. Heck, at this point in the timeline, Kylo shouldn't even have his helmet, yet he does. Some things you just need to let go, sit back and enjoy the ride. For example, don't be the guy who would stand up in the middle of a zombie movie and say to everyone "wait, this isn't right, zombies aren't real!". No. Sit back, suspend your disbelief and try to have a bit of fun for a little bit. There's enough worrying waiting for you out in the real world once you exit the gates.
 

RobWDW1971

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The Star Destroyer is on it's way to Batuu, it hasn't found the Resistance's presence there yet. Rey says the location is not longer "safe"/"secure". Your evacuation is more of preemptive measure in case they do find where the Resistance has been hiding. A major battle ensues and the Star Destroyers in the system are crippled and you take a First Order Escape Transport back to Batuu. It's worth nothing that (at least on the toys of these vehicles) that these are actual pilot-able vehicles, not just pods that drop straight down, which means they could theoretically have gone anywhere, including back aboard the Resistance fleet which literally just arrived moments ago with some pretty major ships. It would stand to reason the First Order doesn't know where every single escape vehicle went (and we do see that there are plenty of them per Star Destroyer).

So, put yourself in the position of the First Order in the immediate aftermath of what just happened. The fleet you brought is crippled and the real "meat" of the Resistance has just arrived to engage you while a small handful of theoretical "new recruits" with probable limited knowledge just disappeared potentially anywhere (you certainly didn't notice in all the madness that just ensued), do you really devote enough of your resources back down to Batuu to investigate a group of newbies who may or may not even be there anymore or try to randomly bombard (the rather large planet) aimlessly? After all, most smart folks would probably jump planet once they had landed (and we have to remember that Black Spire is just one outpost on this planet, you could literally be anywhere). Or, do you choose to engage/chase down the actual Resistance that just arrived instead of chasing "scraps"?

The post-story more or less makes sense to me, especially when you consider that Kylo Ren and Hux are at a frequent disconnect in the films with how they choose to handle the First Order and how they feel it's resources should be allocated. Hux probably felt it best to pursue the actual Resistance fleet using the First Order's might than go after a couple stragglers who could be anywhere by the time the battle has ended (explaining why we do not see him further on Batuu). Kylo on the other hand, decides the issue is worth investigating further (which is why he still hangs around).

But at the end of it all, you need to suspend your disbelief to a degree and remember you are in a theme park. If nitpicking like that is truly an issue for someone, they probably shouldn't ride this awesome attraction more than once because in their mind, the events are happening exactly the same, twice, in the same canon. You just have to accept that you are re-living/re-experiencing a certain point in time in a larger story and take it for what it is worth. Heck, at this point in the timeline, Kylo shouldn't even have his helmet, yet he does. Some things you just need to let go, sit back and enjoy the ride. For example, don't be the guy who would stand up in the middle of a zombie movie and say to everyone "wait, this isn't right, zombies aren't real!". No. Sit back, suspend your disbelief and try to have a bit of fun for a little bit. There's enough worrying waiting for you out in the real world once you exit the gates.
Or they could just call Kylo who’s already on Batuu and is walking around about 100 yards from the rebel base.
 

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