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[coffeefan]

Whatever they do I hope Disney makes transportation their #1 priority, I don’t think many people are going to leave DLR proper and take a bus or walk a mile to get to this lot so that’s going to be the biggest obstacle to overcome, add a monorail or a Skyliner and anything instantly makes sense, without some sort of off road transportation I think whatever they build here struggles though.

I don’t think they could fit any more traffic in the area, Disneyland Drive and Ball road already get backed up, I think a few thousand more parking spots using those streets and there’d be traffic backed up onto the 5 and to Harbor.

That's why Angel Stadium makes more sense as a transportation hub and mixed-use space than a third gate. The ARTIC station is nearby as well. Just build the skyliner to transport people to the Eastern Gateway. There, you solve the need for more parking, hotels, and a mall without adding more vehicle congestion to the area surrounding DLR. The convention center could move there too, and boom, there's more land for Westcot.

 

[Disney Irish]

That's why Angel Stadium makes more sense as a transportation hub and mixed-use space than a third gate. The ARTIC station is nearby as well. Just build the skyliner to transport people to the Eastern Gateway. There, you solve the need for more parking, hotels, and a mall without adding more vehicle congestion to the area surrounding DLR. The convention center could move there too, and boom, there's more land for Westcot.

Why would Anaheim want to move the Convention Center (west coasts largest), not to mention all the hotels on the same plot of land, to being further away from DLR? That is the whole selling point of having it located where it is.

Basically anything that is going to happen if more land is to be acquired is going to require just Disney in order to do it, no other parties just to switch land.

 

[coffeefan]

Why would Anaheim want to move the Convention Center (west coasts largest), not to mention all the hotels on the same plot of land, to being further away from DLR? That is the whole selling point of having it located where it is.

Basically anything that is going to happen if more land is to be acquired is going to require just Disney in order to do it, no other parties just to switch land.

DLR brings significantly more in direct revenue to the city than the convention center. And since Anaheim wants DLR to expand, TDA can use that as a bargaining chip in negotiations. Anyway, you've said you're against a third gate, so I don't think this is a good-faith discussion. Anything anyone says, you will say "no".

 

[Distorian]

Disney Irish, to what extent are you actually against a third gate? Do you think it’s just a made move for the company or do you really just not want a third park in Anaheim?

 

[Disney Irish]

DLR brings significantly more in direct revenue to the city than the convention center. And since Anaheim wants DLR to expand, TDA can use that as a bargaining chip in negotiations. Anyway, you've said you're against a third gate, so I don't think this is a good-faith discussion. Anything anyone says, you will say "no".

Even if I’m against a 3rd gate doesn’t mean I can’t be convinced a particular idea surrounding it can’t be good.

I just don’t see Anaheim spending Millions to move the Convention Center ~5 miles away, I don’t see a benefit to Anaheim here.

 

[Disney Irish]

Disney Irish, to what extent are you actually against a third gate? Do you think it’s just a made move for the company or do you really just not want a third park in Anaheim?

I personally don’t need a third gate, especially with the current available land, and rather have expansion of DL/DCA instead, and I’ve given my reasons why.

But overall if additional land away from DLR was available and Disney purchased it, I wouldn’t be opposed to the idea of a third gate in principal if it made sense.

 

[DL-fan]

I personally don’t need a third gate, especially with the current available land, and rather have expansion of DL/DCA instead, and I’ve given my reasons why.

But overall if additional land away from DLR was available and Disney purchased it, I wouldn’t be opposed to the idea of a third gate in principal if it made sense.

I don’t know Why Universal Hollywood doesn’t do that. Sure they are a landlocked park but what’s keeping them from buying some property somewhat nearby and creating a West Coast Epic Universe?

 

[DLR92]

I don’t know Why Universal Hollywood doesn’t do that. Sure they are a landlocked park but what’s keeping them from buying some property somewhat nearby and creating a West Coast Epic Universe?

Cost and approval.

 

[Disney Irish]

I don’t know Why Universal Hollywood doesn’t do that. Sure they are a landlocked park but what’s keeping them from buying some property somewhat nearby and creating a West Coast Epic Universe?

Agreed, I've said the same thing in various threads before.

 

[Nirya]

I don’t know Why Universal Hollywood doesn’t do that. Sure they are a landlocked park but what’s keeping them from buying some property somewhat nearby and creating a West Coast Epic Universe?

Have you seen how much land costs in LA? Especially where they're located. Throw in all the NIMBYs in that area and there's a reason even expansion onto their own land is a constant battle.

If Paramount decided to shed the Warner Bros lot as part of the merger and Universal decided to buy it, that could be a huge boost and they could build something there, but you'd have a major fight with Toluca Lake over the noise and everything that would accompany it.

 

[britain]

Have you seen how much land costs in LA? Especially where they're located. Throw in all the NIMBYs in that area and there's a reason even expansion onto their own land is a constant battle.

If Paramount decided to shed the Warner Bros lot as part of the merger and Universal decided to buy it, that could be a huge boost and they could build something there, but you'd have a major fight with Toluca Lake over the noise and everything that would accompany it.

I don't know, I'm only guessing, but there may be market research that indicates USH's strongest hook for potential guests (beyond the immediate local audience) is still the "Wow, the actual Universal backlot!" nature of the place. So it's attracting a lot of visitors intending to 'experience' Hollywood, not necessarily people searching for a full resort vacation.

Still, it could work. But I think it would have to be VERY close by, or else it won't really be perceived as "adding" another park. It would be yet another SoCal destination competing for your attention. Cannibalization risks would be high.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Universal doesn't have the cash on hand for a new super-big project.

The yearly new attraction fits their finances.

Maybe if Peacock stops being in the red every quarter for half a billion dollars...

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

That's why Angel Stadium makes more sense as a transportation hub and mixed-use space than a third gate. The ARTIC station is nearby as well. Just build the skyliner to transport people to the Eastern Gateway. There, you solve the need for more parking, hotels, and a mall without adding more vehicle congestion to the area surrounding DLR. The convention center could move there too, and boom, there's more land for Westcot.

I think a Skyliner from Angel Stadium to DL would be unlikely, primarily because it would have to cross the 5, the evacuation plan to get people off a tram hanging above a 10 lane interstate would be extremely difficult, the other problem I see is it would either pass hundreds of homes/apartments on Katella (nobody would want people looking in their windows) or use Disney way and then head east, that area is warehouses and commercial sites, easier for approval but not a very “magical” view. It could be done, I’m not sure it makes sense though. An enclosed monorail, similar to the Hogwarts express, could probably work, that adds a lot of cost though.

The transportation aspect really favors the Toy Story lot in my opinion, takes the 5 out of the equation completely, still needs to deal with neighbors and view issues but it would be a handful of neighbors rather than hundreds.

Where there’s a will, and enough money, there’s a solution, I’m doubtful Disney would be willing to spend it when they could just buy a couple buses and call it a day though.

Angels Stadium is a ton of land but also adds a huge amount of time and complexity that I don’t think they need given they already own the Toy Story lot land.

 

[coffeefan]

I think a Skyliner from Angel Stadium to DL would be unlikely, primarily because it would have to cross the 5, the evacuation plan to get people off a tram hanging above a 10 lane interstate would be extremely difficult, the other problem I see is it would either pass hundreds of homes/apartments on Katella (nobody would want people looking in their windows) or use Disney way and then head east, that area is warehouses and commercial sites, easier for approval but not a very “magical” view. It could be done, I’m not sure it makes sense though. An enclosed monorail, similar to the Hogwarts express, could probably work, that adds a lot of cost though.

The transportation aspect really favors the Toy Story lot in my opinion, takes the 5 out of the equation completely, still needs to deal with neighbors and view issues but it would be a handful of neighbors rather than hundreds.

Where there’s a will, and enough money, there’s a solution, I’m doubtful Disney would be willing to spend it when they could just buy a couple buses and call it a day though.

Angels Stadium is a ton of land but also adds a huge amount of time and complexity that I don’t think they need given they already own the Toy Story lot land.

If it can work in the more densely populated New York City and Mexico City, I think they can make it work in Anaheim. Just like at WDW, buses would also be an option tho. Anaheim is currently exploring a proposal for a system between the two districts, so it will be interesting to see if that develops.

 

[Disney Irish]

I think a Skyliner from Angel Stadium to DL would be unlikely, primarily because it would have to cross the 5, the evacuation plan to get people off a tram hanging above a 10 lane interstate would be extremely difficult, the other problem I see is it would either pass hundreds of homes/apartments on Katella (nobody would want people looking in their windows) or use Disney way and then head east, that area is warehouses and commercial sites, easier for approval but not a very “magical” view. It could be done, I’m not sure it makes sense though. An enclosed monorail, similar to the Hogwarts express, could probably work, that adds a lot of cost though.

The transportation aspect really favors the Toy Story lot in my opinion, takes the 5 out of the equation completely, still needs to deal with neighbors and view issues but it would be a handful of neighbors rather than hundreds.

Where there’s a will, and enough money, there’s a solution, I’m doubtful Disney would be willing to spend it when they could just buy a couple buses and call it a day though.

Angels Stadium is a ton of land but also adds a huge amount of time and complexity that I don’t think they need given they already own the Toy Story lot land.

Anaheim's proposed Gondola system has it going down Katella over 5, so I don't think that is an issue.

City Planners Looking at Aerial Gondola System to Connect Platinum Triangle with Anaheim Resort

Concept image of what a gondola stop at Anaheim GardenWalk, located on the northside of Katella Avenue, might look like. By DUANE J. ROBERTSEditor & Publisher Internal emails, contracts, and Po…

anaheiminvestigator.com

If it can work in the more densely populated New York City and Mexico City, I think they can make it work in Anaheim. Just like at WDW, buses would also be an option tho. Anaheim is currently exploring a proposal for a system between the two districts, so it will be interesting to see if that develops.

Buses are probably a no-go for Anaheim. The City is trying to eliminate as much Resort related traffic as possible to keep the primary traffic flowing constantly, which includes eliminating guest bus traffic off main thoroughfares like Harbor and Katella. That is why the EGW bus traffic is being routed off of Harbor and why Anaheim is looking at the Gondola system in the first place.

 

[coffeefan]

Anaheim's proposed Gondola system has it going down Katella over 5, so I don't think that is an issue.

City Planners Looking at Aerial Gondola System to Connect Platinum Triangle with Anaheim Resort

Concept image of what a gondola stop at Anaheim GardenWalk, located on the northside of Katella Avenue, might look like. By DUANE J. ROBERTSEditor & Publisher Internal emails, contracts, and Po…

anaheiminvestigator.com

Buses are probably a no-go for Anaheim. The City is trying to eliminate as much Resort related traffic as possible to keep the primary traffic flowing constantly, which includes eliminating guest bus traffic off main thoroughfares like Harbor and Katella. That is why the EGW bus traffic is being routed off of Harbor and why Anaheim is looking at the Gondola system in the first place.

Buses would be a smaller operation, but I don't see them going away completely, as they're practical in some situations. And they would drop off at the EGW.

 

[Disney Irish]

Buses would be a smaller operation, but I don't see them going away completely, as they're practical in some situations. And they would drop off at the EGW.

I never said eliminating them completely, they just want to keep as much of that traffic off of Katella and Harbor as possible. Which is why EGW traffic is going onto Manchester and Clementine.

So the only way I could see your idea work is to have that traffic going down Gene Autry, turning onto Hester, and down to Disney Way to connect to Clementine.

 

[coffeefan]

@Vegas Disney Fan