DisneylandForward

[Disney Analyst]

A woman stood up during Public Comments and said this rather naive statement...

“Anaheim was here decades before Disney came around,” said one woman. “We are not a company town. If Disneyland truly intended to give back to the residents, they would have already done it.”

Who wants to tell her that she actually does live in a company town? And without Disneyland in 1955 those orange groves along Katella would have been turned into cheaply built tract housing and a couple of strip malls by 1960, just like the rest of north-central Orange County circa 1952-1962. Fast forward to 2023 without Disneyland, and central Anaheim would simply be Stanton with closer freeway access.

Here's Katella Avenue just 1 and a half miles east of the "Resort District". This is what Anaheim would be all over without Disney.

Visit Anaheim - The Glamourous Gateway To Stanton!
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But I chuckle at the thought of using that line in other company towns where one company employs tens of thousands of people in a small city or large town. Such as...

Dearborn, Michigan founded 1824. Henry Ford built his first factory there in 1917, Ford now employs 48,000 people there.

Everett, Washington founded 1893. Boeing built its first factory there in 1967, Boeing now employs 42,000 people there.

Anaheim, California founded 1857. Walt Disney built Disneyland there in 1955, Disneyland now employs 35,000 people.

But sure dear Anaheim lady citizen, you somehow don't live in a company town.

Yeah, her comments definitely felt out of touch.

 

[Jiggsawpuzzle35]

So how is this "new" proposal...

...any different than the original Eastern Gateway plans of 2015?

This new structure looks even more bland and generic than the original Eastern Gateway artwork eight years ago...

I mean it’s a parking structure. Not sure how you glam it up. Maybe add some LED lights on it and it can sparkle at night or add some tiki torches around it and make it a themed adventure land parking structure.

 

[Consumer]

I mean it’s a parking structure. Not sure how you glam it up. Maybe add some LED lights on it and it can sparkle at night or add some tiki torches around it and make it a themed adventure land parking structure.

Not that I take a big issue with the proposed plan, but here's a parking garage in Santa Fe, NM. Even parking garages can be made beautiful if there's a desire to make it happen.

 

[Disney Irish]

Not that I take a big issue with the proposed plan, but here's a parking garage in Santa Fe, NM. Even parking garages can be made beautiful if there's a desire to make it happen.
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Your idea of what is beautiful is very different than mine. To me that looks like a fairly cheap reproduction of stucco adobe architecture that was common in the 70s, and the bars make it look like a prison. Not what I would call beautiful personally.

 

[Consumer]

Your idea of what is beautiful is very different than mine. To me that looks like a fairly cheap reproduction of stucco adobe architecture that was common in the 70s, and the bars make it look like a prison. Not what I would call beautiful personally.

We'll call it visually intriguing, then.

 

[disneylandtour]

A woman stood up during Public Comments and said this rather naive statement...

“Anaheim was here decades before Disney came around,” said one woman. “We are not a company town. If Disneyland truly intended to give back to the residents, they would have already done it.”

Who wants to tell her that she actually does live in a company town? And without Disneyland in 1955 those orange groves along Katella would have been turned into cheaply built tract housing and a couple of strip malls by 1960, just like the rest of north-central Orange County circa 1952-1962. Fast forward to 2023 without Disneyland, and central Anaheim would simply be Stanton with closer freeway access.

Here's Katella Avenue just 1 and a half miles east of the "Resort District". This is what Anaheim would be all over without Disney.

Visit Anaheim - The Glamourous Gateway To Stanton!
View attachment 748124

But I chuckle at the thought of using that line in other company towns where one company employs tens of thousands of people in a small city or large town. Such as...

Dearborn, Michigan founded 1824. Henry Ford built his first factory there in 1917, Ford now employs 48,000 people there.

Everett, Washington founded 1893. Boeing built its first factory there in 1967, Boeing now employs 42,000 people there.

Anaheim, California founded 1857. Walt Disney built Disneyland there in 1955, Disneyland now employs 35,000 people.

But sure dear Anaheim lady citizen, you somehow don't live in a company town.

Someone should point out to here that when Disney bought the land, it wasn't in Anaheim. It was unincorporated Orange County. Anaheim CHOSE to annex the land into the city after Disney bought it.

 

[TP2000]

Someone should point out to here that when Disney bought the land, it wasn't in Anaheim. It was unincorporated Orange County. Anaheim CHOSE to annex the land into the city after Disney bought it.

Really? I had never heard that before. But it makes sense.

OC was a rapidly growing county in the 1950's and 60's, and it had a great amount of unincorporated county land in between the dozen or so small farming and orchard towns in the north and central parts of the county then.

When I lived in OC, my own small town a few miles east of Disneyland wasn't incorporated until 1962. And that was proudly claimed on the town seal and road signs as you drove into town. I always thought that was cute of them to put that on the sign so proudly, just like it was a New England town founded by Mayflower passengers or something.

Instead of the Mayflower or merely anti-British revolutionaries, it wasn't even a town until the year this happened...

 

[TheDisneyParksfanC8]

Cross posting this here as well, but a fully fledged Avatar land is in consideration to go into DCA, replacing Hollywoodland per Micechat.

 

[SuddenStorm]

Cross posting this here as well, but a fully fledged Avatar land is in consideration to go into DCA, replacing Hollywoodland per Micechat.

Micechat is many things- an accurate source for rumors is not one of them.

 

[TheDisneyParksfanC8]

Micechat is many things- an accurate source for rumors is not one of them.

Though they were spot on with Avengers Campus for both it replacing Bugs Land and a D ticket family ride (Web Slingers) going in where Tough to be A Bug used to be. If Avatar replacing HL turns out to be bunk, I hope they use the back lot to create a land with family dark rides including a trackless one on par size wise with MMRR since the DCA side of DL forward doesn't appear to have much indoor family rides if they are locked into building what was listing on the environmental impact report

 

[shambolicdefending]

Micechat is many things- an accurate source for rumors is not one of them.

Is there any such thing as an "accurate" source for Disney rumors?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Is there any such thing as an "accurate" source for Disney rumors?

Yes. There are people, some of whom post on these forums who have actual contacts within TWDC at a pay grade higher than bus drivers and front line CMs, or, they have contacts with vendors that do business with Disney Parks.

They say what they can so as not to burn bridges with their sources.

And they're sometimes not right because their source had faulty information, or, most likely, Disney changed their plans. Which they do. A lot.

I don't know of any reliable 'insider' out there on the Internet other than Scott Gustin on XTwitter. And his source is Disney PR department since he's a journalist and they reply to his emails.

The only other occasion of insider news is if a CM's realm of duties gets notice of a change in their position because a ride/attraction/food stand is changing in some way. These people do not have big item news. Bob and Josh don't sit down with them in the cafeteria and lay out their plans with them.

One other source: Sometimes Disney blasts a PR piece to travel agents, or to a news site or fan blog site; but doesn't make it available to the general public. Then these sites breathlessly massage the PR info as if they got a scoop on juicy information (they hardly ever mention that their source is a Disney PR spammail)... and they're all reporting the same thing. This is usually information regarding timetables.

 

[CaptinEO]

Micechat is many things- an accurate source for rumors is not one of them.

They used to be the best for rumors back in the Al Lutz days. Not sure what happened.

 

[Disney Analyst]

There will be a public workshop next week, for any locals who want to attend:

City Council Workshop | DisneylandForward

The City of Anaheim’s City Council is conducting a public workshop to discuss the DisneylandForward project.

www.disneylandforward.com

 

[DCBaker]

From a new Orange County Register article as the next workshop takes place today.

"Disneyland has committed to spend at least $2.5 billion over the next decade as part of a long-term planning proposal presented to the city of Anaheim that dangles possible projects based on Wakanda, Zootopia, Frozen and Coco.

The details of the proposed DisneylandForward development agreement between Disney and the city were released on Tuesday, Jan. 23 during an Anaheim City Council workshop.

The DisneylandForward proposal seeks to update a 1990s Anaheim city plan to allow for a mix of theme park, hotel, retail, dining and entertainment on the eastern and western edges of the Disneyland resort.

The long-term planning proposal covering the next four decades of Disneyland development dangles possible projects based on Black Panther, Coco, Frozen, Zootopia, Tangled, Peter Pan, Toy Story and Tron as the types of lands and attractions Anaheim is missing out on under current city planning and zoning guidelines.

The $2.5 billion investment over the next decade would go toward theme park lands, attractions, hotels, shopping and dining west of Disneyland Drive and on the Toy Story parking lot.

The multi-billion dollar investment would not cover millions more spent by Disney on parking structures, pedestrian bridges and road improvements in the theme park resort area.

The DisneylandForward proposal calls for Disney to pay $40 million for portions of Magic Way, Clementine Street, Gene Autry Way and Hotel Way to clear the way for the proposed theme park expansion.

The plan also calls for Disney to build a 17,000-space eastside parking structure with direct connections from the Santa Ana (I-5) Freeway that would be larger than the combined Mickey & Friends and Pixar Pals parking structures.

Up to three pedestrian bridges over Harbor Boulevard would connect the eastside parking structure with the Disney theme parks while providing access to the hotels, shops and restaurants along the busy street below.

Katella Avenue on either side of Harbor Boulevard would be widened with improved intersections as part of the proposed project.

The DisneylandForward proposal is scheduled for Anaheim Planning Commission hearings in March with a vote by the Anaheim City Council in May."

Disneyland commits $1.9 billion for theme park expansion

The DisneylandForward proposal dangles possible projects based on Black Panther, Coco, Frozen, Tangled, Peter Pan, Zootopia, Toy Story and Tron.

www.ocregister.com

 

[Disney Analyst]

From a new Orange County Register article as the next workshop takes place today.

"Disneyland has committed to spend at least $2.5 billion over the next decade as part of a long-term planning proposal presented to the city of Anaheim that dangles possible projects based on Wakanda, Zootopia, Frozen and Coco.

The details of the proposed DisneylandForward development agreement between Disney and the city were released on Tuesday, Jan. 23 during an Anaheim City Council workshop.

The DisneylandForward proposal seeks to update a 1990s Anaheim city plan to allow for a mix of theme park, hotel, retail, dining and entertainment on the eastern and western edges of the Disneyland resort.

The long-term planning proposal covering the next four decades of Disneyland development dangles possible projects based on Black Panther, Coco, Frozen, Zootopia, Tangled, Peter Pan, Toy Story and Tron as the types of lands and attractions Anaheim is missing out on under current city planning and zoning guidelines.

The $2.5 billion investment over the next decade would go toward theme park lands, attractions, hotels, shopping and dining west of Disneyland Drive and on the Toy Story parking lot.

The multi-billion dollar investment would not cover millions more spent by Disney on parking structures, pedestrian bridges and road improvements in the theme park resort area.

The DisneylandForward proposal calls for Disney to pay $40 million for portions of Magic Way, Clementine Street, Gene Autry Way and Hotel Way to clear the way for the proposed theme park expansion.

The plan also calls for Disney to build a 17,000-space eastside parking structure with direct connections from the Santa Ana (I-5) Freeway that would be larger than the combined Mickey & Friends and Pixar Pals parking structures.

Up to three pedestrian bridges over Harbor Boulevard would connect the eastside parking structure with the Disney theme parks while providing access to the hotels, shops and restaurants along the busy street below.

Katella Avenue on either side of Harbor Boulevard would be widened with improved intersections as part of the proposed project.

The DisneylandForward proposal is scheduled for Anaheim Planning Commission hearings in March with a vote by the Anaheim City Council in May."

Disneyland commits $1.9 billion for theme park expansion

The DisneylandForward proposal dangles possible projects based on Black Panther, Coco, Frozen, Tangled, Peter Pan, Zootopia, Toy Story and Tron.

www.ocregister.com

Did not realize how close we are to a vote on this, feels like this has been in the "engagement" stage for both a long time and not a long time.


Do we think this will be approved? I think the city would be wise to approve the zoning changes.

 

[J4546]

damn, a 17000 space parking garage thats larger than the one they already have which is massive....thats a lot of cars

 

[mickEblu]

17,000 more parking spots? Would a few more single IP lands brought in phases bring in that kind of demand? I don’t know, maybe a third gate is in the works? Would they ever knock down Pixar Place/ Mickey n Friends for more theme park space?

 

[PiratesMansion]

17,000 more parking spots? Would a few more single IP lands brought in phases bring in that kind of demand? I don’t know, maybe a third gate is in the works? Would they ever knock down Pixar Place/ Mickey n Friends for more theme park space?

Perhaps they're still struggling with parking, and/or want to have more options in the future if they loosen up restrictions with Magic Keys.

 

[mickEblu]

Perhaps they're still struggling with parking, and/or want to have more options in the future if they loosen up restrictions with Magic Keys.

Definitely possible. Still just seems like a lot of parking for essentially the same resort with 2-3 more lands in the "short term." Of course it depends how they roll these lands out and how ambitious it all ends up but to me 17,000 spots seems like they re going to be marketing it as a third gate. Unless they get rid of some existing parking for more theme park space but that seems a bit far fetched.