Disneyland To Open Sept. 16th?

[DrAlice]

I think the difference here is that, while the numbers look different, that wasn’t the concern of moving goal posts. It was the increase in days between moving levels and it was the increase in tiers. To me personally. And because there were more tiers and more time in each tier, it seemed like they light at the end of the tunnel was pushed that far out. Instead of 2 weeks to be able to apply for reopening, it is 21 days in each tier (or 2 weeks? That part still confuses me). And the omission of a “green” tier for the sake of “we will never be free” was disheartening. It made it seem like the effort we are putting in now will never reach a goal.

Fair enough.

For me, I'm mostly concerned with hospital capacity (and keeping this thing away from my parents and in-laws). I was annoyed that the hospital metric wasn't included. However, according to my county, it apparently IS a factor in how counties are judged, it just isn't being shown on the state colored thingy. I'm thankful that my county has a good public health officer.

 

[Askimosita]

Fair enough.

For me, I'm mostly concerned with hospital capacity (and keeping this thing away from my parents and in-laws). I was annoyed that the hospital metric wasn't included. However, according to my county, it apparently IS a factor in how counties are judged, it just isn't being shown on the state colored thingy. I'm thankful that my county has a good public health officer.

Agreed

 

[DisneyDrum]

If death isn’t anymore likely than other viruses

This isn't accurate. Even through there is a lot of complexity, the COVID death rate is probably 10 times higher than the flu (https://www.denverpost.com/2020/08/06/justin-fox-the-not-so-great-covid-19-versus-flu-comparison/).

There are also lots of people who haven't been exposed. There are reasonable discussions to be had about the state's decisions, communication strategies, and handling of theme parks. But to say the virus itself isn't a big deal....is just wrong and insulting to everyone who has died.

 

[Gottalovepluto]

I don't know if anyone cares, but I'll share anyway, because that's how I roll.

I was just reading through the weekly COVID report from my local county health officer. She explained that the new numbers that you see on the state's color-coded thing are small because they are calculated ENTIRELY DIFFERENTLY than the previous metrics. The state didn't actually move the goalposts at all. They just made a pretty infographic (to avoid the 3a, 2c nonsense from before) and the new numbers represent metrics from a different calculation. In other words, they did NOT change the metric from 100 cases per 100,000 to 7 cases per 100,000. The numbers come from different time periods and are functionally pretty close to the same thing. Confusing, right? I'm good at math, and I had to read the section a couple of times to understand what she meant.

So, I guess what I'm saying is don't complain that the state is moving goalposts. They didn't. However, feel free to complain about their total failure to communicate well. This continual changing of how metrics are calculated is just causing mass confusion. And when people don't understand, they lose trust.

Ok, carry on.......

Any word from yesterday's theme park/govt meeting?

Can you link to that by any chance? I’m having an awful time trying to understand the math here.

 

[Chris Jarrett]

Blog Mickey just posted a rumor that Disneyland is targeting Monday, September 28 as their desired reopening date. I’m very curious to know how that meeting went with the theme park industry and Newsome yesterday.

 

[Rich T]

When you have a dangerous virus that can be spread by people showing no symptoms...

Sorry, but going on rides, pretending a giant mouse is real and buying future-landfill popcorn buckets is not worth risking the health of one’s family...and other people’s families. The parks will still be there next year. Do other things.

But, yeah, those color choices really suck. It’s like paint swatches for a unicorn nursery.

 

[Disney Irish]

I suspect the color system is used now so hopefully people take it more seriously. For whatever reason people tend to respond to colors better than numbers or words. Its the reason why we use it in traffic signs/lights, the government terror threat level, etc. Why they didn't do that in the first place, I don't know. But hopefully this time around people take the color system a lot more seriously than the "Phase" system.

 

[Askimosita]

This isn't accurate. Even through there is a lot of complexity, the COVID death rate is probably 10 times higher than the flu (https://www.denverpost.com/2020/08/06/justin-fox-the-not-so-great-covid-19-versus-flu-comparison/).

There are also lots of people who haven't been exposed. There are reasonable discussions to be had about the state's decisions, communication strategies, and handling of theme parks. But to say the virus itself isn't a big deal....is just wrong and insulting to everyone who has died.

Great article Thank you for the read. However, I think one of the biggest issues with this is that there isn’t much of a delve into “deadliness” by age group. It was touched on a bit, BUT the difference between COVID and influenza is that influenza affects very young and very old predominantly with severe effects, but also it knocks those in the middle age groups. It is also not as asymptomatic as COVID seems to be, especially for those under 50 (though I admit I will need to see studies to say this affirmatively but it seems to be the consensus.)

Those that are 65 to 74 have 90x the likelihood of dying than those 18 to 29. And 75-84 is 220x more likely, and 85+ is 630x more per the CDC. It would be better to compare age groups individually than as a whole because, unfortunately, this is predominantly targeting those that are older or with additional risk factors.

So my question would be what is the IFR for that 18-29 age group that is being used as the comparison against the older age groups per the CDC? and can you even say that definitively with so many asymptomatic (and of those asymptomatic that are negative for the antibody test but positive for the cell mediated immunity) Because while yes, it can appear by comparisons that COVID is more deadly than influenza, just HOW much less deadly is it for those that are not senior citizens? Because this is disproportionately much more dangerous for the older population. And in recognizing that, we should invest more into protecting those populations specifically. It’s just SO hard to compare apples to apples, as that article said.

Article was great though. I just feel that there are blanks in knowledge and numbers that we need more research for

 

[Askimosita]

Blog Mickey just posted a rumor that Disneyland is targeting Monday, September 28 as their desired reopening date. I’m very curious to know how that meeting went with the theme park industry and Newsome yesterday.

I’m going to DTD tonight. I’ll be checking websites and listening to any noise. Curious to see what becomes of this reservations are STILL open for sept 16.

Also, I’m SO glad that the BlogMickey also saw the Thursday cancellation pattern that I found now I feel validated haha

 

[Chris Jarrett]

Also, I’m SO glad that the BlogMickey also saw the Thursday cancellation pattern that I found now I feel validated haha

I noticed that! You absolutely deserved credit on that part of the article for all your hard work.

 

[Askimosita]

I noticed that! You absolutely deserved credit on that part of the article for all your hard work.

Thank you for sharing! That’s a great find! It brings the convo back to Disney Lol sorry!

 

[Disney Irish]

I’m going to DTD tonight. I’ll be checking websites and listening to any noise. Curious to see what becomes of this reservations are STILL open for sept 16.

Also, I’m SO glad that the BlogMickey also saw the Thursday cancellation pattern that I found now I feel validated haha

I suspect the 16th date rumor was always for hotel reopening anyways not the actual Parks. As every reopening has had the resort hotels open a week or two before the Parks. Now why anyone would want to stay at a Disneyland Resort Hotel without Disneyland/DCA being open is beyond me, but to each their own.

 

[Disney Irish]

I suspect the 16th date rumor was always for hotel reopening anyways not the actual Parks. As every reopening has had the resort hotels open a week or two before the Parks. Now why anyone would want to stay at a Disneyland Resort Hotel without Disneyland/DCA being open is beyond me, but to each their own.

Quoting myself here. But with the new color system, Purple allows for the Disneyland Resort Hotels to reopen now anytime. So theoretically the 16th date is doable at the very least if only just for the Hotels.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Remember that Big Bob is on the Governor's slapped-together reopening committee although it may appear to be a conflict of interests or something. Both he and the governor are absurdly wealthy and evil. I'm sure they can somehow figure out a way to at least get Disneyland running again.

 

[Emmanuel]

Now why anyone would want to stay at a Disneyland Resort Hotel without Disneyland/DCA being open is beyond me, but to each their own.

"I've booked a hotel room at Disneyland before the parks reopen. Just to feel something. Anything magical."- Some random Disneyland Vlogger

 

[Californian Elitist]

When you have a dangerous virus that can be spread by people showing no symptoms...

Sorry, but going on rides, pretending a giant mouse is real and buying future-landfill popcorn buckets is not worth risking the health of one’s family...and other people’s families. The parks will still be there next year. Do other things.

Exactly what I was thinking as I read the comments in this thread. Very baby-ish behavior.

I hope the opening of Disneyland or any theme park for that matter as a guest is not the number one priority for folks (I could understand it coming from the perspective of a CM). If people are that desperate to see The Mouse, WDW is open.

 

[Askimosita]

"I've booked a hotel room at Disneyland before the parks reopen. Just to feel something. Anything magical."- Some random Disneyland Vlogger

Haha who was this??

 

[Disney Irish]

Exactly what I was thinking as I read the comments in this thread. Very baby-ish behavior.

I hope the opening of Disneyland or any theme park for that matter as a guest is not the number one priority for folks (I could understand it coming from the perspective of a CM). If people are that desperate to see The Mouse, WDW is open.

Well no guests means no CMs right, its a symbiotic relationship. So you have to at least have a certain amount of guests who has a priority in going in order to call back CMs. So unless the plan is that DLR stays closed for years until the world has received a vaccine there is always going to be some risk. Meaning CMs might as well just give up on ever coming back and just get another job.

Heck, even after a vaccine is available and given to everyone in the world there is still going to be a risk. We live in a risky world, at some point we have to be willing to accept a certain amount of risk.

Also some people don't have the ability to go to WDW but can make the trip to DLR, so there is that too.

 

[Emmanuel]

Haha who was this??

Haha no one...so far

 

[Californian Elitist]

Well no guests means no CMs right, its a symbiotic relationship. So you have to at least have a certain amount of guests who has a priority in going in order to call back CMs. So unless the plan is that DLR stays closed for years until the world has received a vaccine there is always going to be some risk. Meaning CMs might as well just give up on ever coming back and just get another job.

Heck, even after a vaccine is available and given to everyone in the world there is still going to be a risk. We live in a risky world, at some point we have to be willing to accept a certain amount of risk.

Also some people don't have the ability to go to WDW but can make the trip to DLR, so there is that too.

Folks aren’t screaming “think of the CMs and the families they need to feed.” Seems like folks are just eager to see Mickey and ride Space Mountain.

I know we live in a risky world, but we need to prioritize in special situations.

People need to get creative for their withdrawal. Watch some footage of the parks on YouTube and pretend you’re there. I understand wanting to escape to Disneyland during these times, but again, priorities.