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[Disney Irish]

Maybe they should specify that on the map. Otherwise it just seems misleading.

It does state it right above the map:

"To move forward, a county must meet the next tier’s criteria for two consecutive weeks. "

COVID-19 Home

covid19.ca.gov

 

[Mac Tonight]

It does state it right above the map:

"To move forward, a county must meet the next tier’s criteria for two consecutive weeks. "

COVID-19 Home

covid19.ca.gov

No, I got that part. But is there anything to indicate where a county is in it's current waiting period? Does it have one week left? Two? Half a week? Purple? Blue?

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

If we're trying to get in the Purple Phase, everyone just listen to the Prince Batman album and pray.

 

[Disney Irish]

No, I got that part. But there's nothing to indicate how long a county has been in it's current waiting period. Does it have one week left? Two? Half a week? Purple? Blue?

I get your point, and I suspect that will all be updated on the next review day which are Tuesday's.

 

[Disney Irish]

If we're trying to get in the Purple Phase, everyone just listen to the Prince Batman album and pray.

The Purple One would be proud of you....

 

[Mac Tonight]

I get your point, and I suspect that will all be updated on the next review day which are Tuesday's.

I guess we’ll see.

 

[Curious Constance]

Purple is my favorite color. How DARE they make it the worst level Covid can get to. Who decides to make purple the worst and red a step up from the worst?

 

[Askimosita]

I think it’s hilarious that green is banned because green means good lol God forbid we have any.... HOPE.....

 

[TP2000]

Purple is my favorite color. How DARE they make it the worst level Covid can get to. Who decides to make purple the worst and red a step up from the worst?

The colors make no sense. Purple is Death!, Red is You're Still Going To Die!, Orange is You Are In Big Trouble, Yellow is Why Didn't You Move To Idaho?

I would have chosen, from best to worst, White, Green, Yellow, Red. That would have made sense.

The Sacramento bureaucrat who chose those colors in that order was the same guy who thought this Public Service Announcement was a good use of taxpayer money...

 

[Tamandua]

If you're wondering why Newsom et al aren't concerned about lost tax revenues and feel comfortable staying locked down longer than anyone else, it's because they decided two months ago that they're just going to assume the federal government will bail them out.

Newsom, legislators reach California budget deal that counts on federal bailout

Gov. Gavin Newsom and legislative leaders said Monday they have reached a budget deal...

www.sfchronicle.com

This is why house democrats are unwavering in their demands for a fifth stimulus bill that includes bailouts... Because they've essentially already spent the money.

This is also why Newsom doesn't care about staying locked down. It's not his problem. He doesn't have to weigh health issues with economic issues and budget issues. That's why, despite the apparent expectation in the industry for movement towards opening, he can subvert expectations without concern for the fiscal and economic fallout.

If there's one thing California lacks, it's accountability. Making policy decisions on the presumption that the federal government will fix your economic and budgetary problems is further dodging accountability. California should demand better from its leaders.

 

[Gottalovepluto]

The colors make no sense. Purple is Death!, Red is You're Still Going To Die!, Orange is You Are In Big Trouble, Yellow is Why Didn't You Move To Idaho?

I would have chosen, from best to worst, White, Green, Yellow, Red. That would have made sense.

The Sacramento bureaucrat who chose those colors in that order was the same guy who thought this Public Service Announcement was a good use of taxpayer money...

I... uhh... dang that was bad... in SO many ways. Chiefly, I really miss doing all that and now I want to

 

[cmwade77]

I know that there have been some adverse health effects from people that have had Covid. What I’m curious about is how likely they are to happen.

It is about a 1% chance last I did the math, but unfortunately to do the math, I have to assume all numbers are accurate and considering the hospitals label things like getting kicked in the head by a horse as having died from COVID, I question if even the adverse health effects rates are higher than they should be as well.

 

[cmwade77]

Depends on the concern. Myocarditis is showing up in rates significantly higher than other common causes, including in those otherwise without symptoms and in good health (see college football and professional baseball players). What almost assuredly will not happen is the resumption of economic activity during significant increases in cases because people will react like they already have, repeatedly.

Except they are now finding that these people never had COVID and the tests were false positives, so this isn't related to COVID, but something else is going on.

 

[cmwade77]

If you're wondering why Newsom et al aren't concerned about lost tax revenues and feel comfortable staying locked down longer than anyone else, it's because they decided two months ago that they're just going to assume the federal government will bail them out.

Newsom, legislators reach California budget deal that counts on federal bailout

Gov. Gavin Newsom and legislative leaders said Monday they have reached a budget deal...

www.sfchronicle.com

This is why house democrats are unwavering in their demands for a fifth stimulus bill that includes bailouts... Because they've essentially already spent the money.

This is also why Newsom doesn't care about staying locked down. It's not his problem. He doesn't have to weigh health issues with economic issues and budget issues. That's why, despite the apparent expectation in the industry for movement towards opening, he can subvert expectations without concern for the fiscal and economic fallout.

If there's one thing California lacks, it's accountability. Making policy decisions on the presumption that the federal government will fix your economic and budgetary problems is further dodging accountability. California should demand better from its leaders.

Which is why we need to insist on no bailouts from the federal government for the states.

 

[Askimosita]

Except they are now finding that these people never had COVID and the tests were false positives, so this isn't related to COVID, but something else is going on.

As someone that works in cardiology and received my grad degree from med school, I can tell you various viruses (And bacteria) increase the chance of myocarditis based on how it attacks. At current analysis and studies, it’s not any higher of a chance due to covid. Therefore, on this argument alone you now bring to question why we don’t shut down everything due to strep, coronavirus (the normal cold), hepatitis, herpes, etc etc etc.

Likewise, it is impossible to determine how long-term these effects are. Immediately, and in a time frame under a year, The body will show battle damage. But the body is amazing in healing itself. So at this point “long-term” damage can’t really be claimed yet.

 

[Curious Constance]

As someone that works in cardiology and received my grad degree from med school, I can tell you various viruses (And bacteria) increase the chance of myocarditis based on how it attacks. At current analysis and studies, it’s not any higher of a chance due to covid. Therefore, on this argument alone you now bring to question why we don’t shut down everything due to strep, coronavirus (the normal cold), hepatitis, herpes, etc etc etc.

Likewise, it is impossible to determine how long-term these effects are. Immediately, and in a time frame under a year, The body will show battle damage. But the body is amazing in healing itself. So at this point “long-term” damage can’t really be claimed yet.

Thank you, I assumed this was likely the case, but it’s seriously hard sorting through the BS to get to actual facts. No one is comparing Covid outcomes to other viruses that we aren’t ever told to be terrified of. If death isn’t anymore likely than other viruses and adverse outcomes aren’t anymore likely either, I really don’t understand the continued reaction to this virus. I’m so tired of the media jumping on statistically minimal scenarios and plastering them all over the news to scare everyone.

 

[DrAlice]

I don't know if anyone cares, but I'll share anyway, because that's how I roll.

I was just reading through the weekly COVID report from my local county health officer. She explained that the new numbers that you see on the state's color-coded thing are small because they are calculated ENTIRELY DIFFERENTLY than the previous metrics. The state didn't actually move the goalposts at all. They just made a pretty infographic (to avoid the 3a, 2c nonsense from before) and the new numbers represent metrics from a different calculation. In other words, they did NOT change the metric from 100 cases per 100,000 to 7 cases per 100,000. The numbers come from different time periods and are functionally pretty close to the same thing. Confusing, right? I'm good at math, and I had to read the section a couple of times to understand what she meant.

So, I guess what I'm saying is don't complain that the state is moving goalposts. They didn't. However, feel free to complain about their total failure to communicate well. This continual changing of how metrics are calculated is just causing mass confusion. And when people don't understand, they lose trust.

Ok, carry on.......

Any word from yesterday's theme park/govt meeting?

 

[Askimosita]

Also, I want to add that science is very fluid, especially in this novel space. Doctors are on completely different sides of advocating for or against certain treatments based on so many different factors and so much we don’t know.

Example: COVID19’s main target is the ACE2. ACE2 is an enzyme that helps with vasodilation (lowering BP) and works as an anti inflammatory in the body. In COVID19 attacking this, you are in turn increasing inflammation and theoretically removing one mechanism of lowering BP. The reason it attacks various body systems is that ACE2 is found predominantly in lungs but also heart, brain, etc. anyway...

There is a different enzyme—ACE (not ACE2 but ACE)— that does the opposite. It causes sodium retention and vasoconstriction as a means to increase your BP. There are medications out there—called ACE inhibitors— that target ACE and stop it from its cascade effects of increasing BP. In addition to stopping this cascade effect, it also increases the amount of ACE2 receptors in the body.

This is where doctors come to a cross roads: some experts believe that IN NO WAY can you take ACE inhibitors if you are high risk because taking an ACE inhibitor increases the ACE2 receptors. In other words, you’re increasing the amount of targets that COVID can hit. They thought this would make it worse.

There are other doctors that believe that in the more vulnerable population with high BP, you SHOULD continue/ take ACE inhibitors. ACE2 has such a profound combating effect that it is worth it. Not just that, but in DIABETES medications as well, they ALSO increase ACE2 receptors—again, because they are helpers.

So what did studies show? Recent studies show that there is a 40% decrease in hospitalization and death in hypertensive elderly that take the medication than if they don’t.

The new question is “how”. Now they are thinking that this ACE2 receptor can act as a decoy when it is free floating in plasma, getting COVID to attach to it vs being attached to a cell and increasing the likelihood of illness from COVID.

MORAL of the story: Science should change how we think of things. Even “experts” that go on TV are only talking from their experience. And unless they are actively researching or actively on top of studies (which is sadly not the case many many times) then they are also just using their best judgement and guessing. Nothing is concrete.

 

[Askimosita]

I don't know if anyone cares, but I'll share anyway, because that's how I roll.

I was just reading through the weekly COVID report from my local county health officer. She explained that the new numbers that you see on the state's color-coded thing are small because they are calculated ENTIRELY DIFFERENTLY than the previous metrics. The state didn't actually move the goalposts at all. They just made a pretty infographic (to avoid the 3a, 2c nonsense from before) and the new numbers represent metrics from a different calculation. In other words, they did NOT change the metric from 100 cases per 100,000 to 7 cases per 100,000. The numbers come from different time periods and are functionally pretty close to the same thing. Confusing, right? I'm good at math, and I had to read the section a couple of times to understand what she meant.

So, I guess what I'm saying is don't complain that the state is moving goalposts. They didn't. However, feel free to complain about their total failure to communicate well. This continual changing of how metrics are calculated is just causing mass confusion. And when people don't understand, they lose trust.

Ok, carry on.......

Any word from yesterday's theme park/govt meeting?

I think the difference here is that, while the numbers look different, that wasn’t the concern of moving goal posts. It was the increase in days between moving levels and it was the increase in tiers. To me personally. And because there were more tiers and more time in each tier, it seemed like they light at the end of the tunnel was pushed that far out. Instead of 2 weeks to be able to apply for reopening, it is 21 days in each tier (or 2 weeks? That part still confuses me). And the omission of a “green” tier for the sake of “we will never be free” was disheartening. It made it seem like the effort we are putting in now will never reach a goal.

 

[SoCalMort]

I think the difference here is that, while the numbers look different, that wasn’t the concern of moving goal posts. It was the increase in days between moving levels and it was the increase in tiers. ... And the omission of a “green” tier for the sake of “we will never be free” was disheartening. It made it seem like the effort we are putting in now will never reach a goal.

If there were greater compliance with what we know works (masks and social distancing) you could probably decrease the time it takes to move between levels. Yet - as we saw when Cali first started to reopen a few months back - compliance in many areas gleefully, proudly went out the window and the case load increased, therefore the need to take things slower.

Yup. I get it. I believe they are saving green to truly represent no realistic danger: a definitive, non-significant treatment (long-shot) or a vaccine (currently seems much more likely and much sooner than has occurred in the past).