News Disneyland to give Tarzan’s Treehouse a new theme

britain

Well-Known Member
Tarzan definitely was not a failure, but it was a disappointment to some degree. All the post-Lion King movies were 'disappointments'. Lion King was the peak and Disney spent the rest of the decade trying to reach or surpass it with no success. Tarzan did well at the box office but it was the most expensive Renaissance film (by far). So those box office returns were bittersweet because of the extremely bloated budget.

Lion King cost $85M less than Tarzan, and made $520M more at the Box Office!
Aladdin cost a staggering $102M less than Tarzan, and made $55M+ more at the Box Office!

Not to mention all the money Lion King and Aladdin made from merch that Tarzan didn't.
When you look at it from that perspective, it was a disappointment.

It also was lacking any audience mandate for what kind of films Disney should produce going forward one way or another. It wasn’t an outright musical, its talked about eye-popping visuals were the CG deep canvas elements, so it didn’t decisively say hand-drawn animation was still popular. It led to another Phil Collins animated film in Brother Bear, but not much else.

I liked it, and I’m grateful It kept the treehouse alive, but I always preferred the Swiss family Robinson version.

Mostly I’d just love to see what kind of new queue solutions can be created for Pirates.
 

No Name

Well-Known Member
Adventure isn't really location specific.
Also there’s a part of the movie that takes place in a jungle with a large treehouse which I assume they’ll use but I suppose this person didn’t listen to my reply or find this in their quick google search of the movie. I’d still say Tarzan’s a better fit but this isn’t out of left field.

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mickEblu

Well-Known Member
No need to debate any further I’ve created an official list 😝
of Disney movies ranked by Tiers. The movies listed within the tiers are in no particular order.


Tier 1
  1. Snow White & the Seven Dwarves (1937)
  2. Pinocchio (1940)
  3. Cinderella (1950)
  4. The Little Mermaid (1989)
  5. Beauty and the Beast (1991)
  6. Aladdin (1992)
  7. The Lion King (1994)


Tier 2
  1. Dumbo (1941)
  2. Bambi (1942)
  3. Peter Pan (1953)
  4. Sleeping Beauty (1959)
  5. Lady and the Tramp (1955)
  6. 101 Dalmatians (1961)
  7. The Jungle Book (1967)
  8. The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1996)
  9. The Princess & the Frog (2009)
  10. Tangled (2010)
  11. Frozen (2013)
  12. Moana (2016)


Tier 3
  1. Fantasia (1940)
  2. Alice in Wonderland (1951)
  3. The Sword in the Stone (1963)
  4. Robin Hood (1973)
  5. Hercules (1997)
  6. Tarzan (1999)
  7. Wreck it Ralph (2012)
  8. Big Hero 6 ( 2014)
  9. Zootopia (2016)
  10. Encanto (2021)

Tier 4
  1. The Aristocats (1970)
  2. The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977)
  3. The Rescuers (1977)
  4. The Fox and the Hound (1981)
  5. The Great Mouse Detective (1986)
  6. The Rescuers Down Under (1990)
  7. Pocahontas (1995)
  8. Mulan (1998)
  9. Fantasia 2000 (1999)
  10. The Emperors New Groove (2000)
  11. Lilo and Stitch (2002)
  12. Treasure Planet (2002)
  13. Brother Bear (2003)
  14. Winnie the Pooh (2011)
  15. Ralph Breaks the Internet (2018)
  16. Frozen 2 (2019)
  17. Raya and the Last Dragon (2021)


Tier 5
  1. The Black Cauldron (1985)
  2. Oliver & Company (1988)
  3. Dinosaur (2000)
  4. Atlantis (2001)
  5. Home on the Range (2004)
  6. Chicken Little (2005)
  7. Meet the Robinsons (2007)
  8. Bolt (2008)
 

WDWJoeG

Well-Known Member
No need to debate any further I’ve created an official list 😝
of Disney movies ranked by Tiers. The movies listed within the tiers are in no particular order.


Tier 1
  1. Snow White & the Seven Dwarves (1937)
  2. Pinocchio (1940)
  3. Cinderella (1950)
  4. The Little Mermaid (1989)
  5. Beauty and the Beast (1991)
  6. Aladdin (1992)
  7. The Lion King (1994)


Tier 2
  1. Dumbo (1941)
  2. Bambi (1942)
  3. Peter Pan (1953)
  4. Sleeping Beauty (1959)
  5. Lady and the Tramp (1955)
  6. 101 Dalmatians (1961)
  7. The Jungle Book (1967)
  8. The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1996)
  9. The Princess & the Frog (2009)
  10. Tangled (2010)
  11. Frozen (2013)
  12. Moana (2016)


Tier 3
  1. Fantasia (1940)
  2. Alice in Wonderland (1951)
  3. The Sword in the Stone (1963)
  4. Robin Hood (1973)
  5. Hercules (1997)
  6. Tarzan (1999)
  7. Wreck it Ralph (2012)
  8. Big Hero 6 ( 2014)
  9. Zootopia (2016)
  10. Encanto (2021)

Tier 4
  1. The Aristocats (1970)
  2. The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977)
  3. The Rescuers (1977)
  4. The Fox and the Hound (1981)
  5. The Great Mouse Detective (1986)
  6. The Rescuers Down Under (1990)
  7. Pocahontas (1995)
  8. Mulan (1998)
  9. Fantasia 2000 (1999)
  10. The Emperors New Groove (2000)
  11. Lilo and Stitch (2002)
  12. Treasure Planet (2002)
  13. Brother Bear (2003)
  14. Winnie the Pooh (2011)
  15. Ralph Breaks the Internet (2018)
  16. Frozen 2 (2019)
  17. Raya and the Last Dragon (2021)


Tier 5
  1. The Black Cauldron (1985)
  2. Oliver & Company (1988)
  3. Dinosaur (2000)
  4. Atlantis (2001)
  5. Home on the Range (2004)
  6. Chicken Little (2005)
  7. Meet the Robinsons (2007)
  8. Bolt (2008)
Speaking of alternate universes - Note that Princess and the Frog grossed less than your very last entry of your lowest tier, Bolt (which came out the year before).

But, yeah, it's a huge popular movie. Sure, why not.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
Speaking of alternate universes - Note that Princess and the Frog grossed less than your very last entry of your lowest tier, Bolt (which came out the year before).

But, yeah, it's a huge popular movie. Sure, why not.

McDonalds sells more hamburgers than In N Out. What’s your point?

I also said that movies listed within the tiers are in no particular order.
 

WDWJoeG

Well-Known Member
McDonalds sells more hamburgers then In N Out. What’s your point?

I also said that movies listed within the tiers are in no particular order.
Perhaps that PATF was a domestic box office failure that is now being rationalized and reimagined as if it was a cultural and box office hit that needs to be represented in the parks while a completely forgettable, average movie like Bolt outgrossed it and that the idea of it being in any one of the top tiers of Disney movie history is a complete joke?

I guess that was the point.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
Perhaps that PATF was a domestic box office failure that is now being rationalized and reimagined as if it was a cultural and box office hit that needs to be represented in the parks while a completely forgettable, average movie like Bolt outgrossed it and that the idea of it being in any one of the top tiers of Disney movie history is a complete joke?

I guess that was the point.

Big Bolt fan?
 

Dear Prudence

Well-Known Member
It was not a failure, it was one of their bigger successes and the character is one of their most well-known. I’m not sure what alternate reality some of these people are living in.


No but the specific minor part of the movie they will probably pull from fits well enough.
As for what "alternate reality" I or anyone who was under the impression that Tarzan was a failure live in, I wasn't aware that it made that much money. Generally, most of the reaction I had seen towards it was that the film was bad. Oh well.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
Nope, just an incredibly low bar example to show there are even less PATF fans.

First id like to direct you to my signature as perhaps you are new to the Disneyland side of the forums. Also, just because a movie isn't well received during its theatrical debut doesn't mean it cant increase in popularity through the years. See Nightmare Before Christmas.

Not to mention there could be different reasons for it not being big in the box office like bad marketing, competition/ bad timing etc.
 

Californian Elitist

Well-Known Member
First id like to direct you to my signature as perhaps you are new to the Disneyland side of the forums. Also, just because a movie isn't well received during its theatrical debut doesn't mean it cant increase in popularity through the years. See Nightmare Before Christmas.

Not to mention there could be different reasons for it not being big in the box office like bad marketing, competition/ bad timing etc.
Newsies is another great example. It bombed at the box office, but it’s incredibly popular and has a cult following.
 

Brer Panther

Well-Known Member
My guess is this didn't make it past their inclusion comitee.
Is Tarzan considered racist? I think there's some racist stuff in the original books, but I don't recall anything offensive being in the Disney movie.
I wonder if they were considering converting back to Swiss Family before Encanto caught fire.
Probably not? I mean, Swiss Family Robinson isn't a popular IP at the moment... then again, if they're planning a remake for Disney Plus it's possible that the idea came up...
Haven’t seen Encanto; does it make sense in Disneyland’s Adventureland?
I haven't seen Encanto either, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't take place in a jungle. Then again, neither does Aladdin but that being in Adventureland has never felt weird to me.
I actually thought that Adventureland would be an ideal location for Encanto, but I expected a walk through of Casa Madrigal. Maybe in Florida where they have more space.
I'd gladly take that over sticking something based on the film in Animal Kingdom as everybody seems to be suggesting.
There goes the only place at any Disney Park that Tarzan gets any representation (outside of rare meet and greets of Tarzan and Jane).
Doesn't Hong Kong Disneyland still have a Tarzan's Treehouse?
I think they marketed him and the animals so heavily because, well, you know how much they like to sell animal plush toys.
Question: which of the animals in the film was the Maximus/Sven/Pua equivalent? You know, the one that acted like a dog because animals that aren't dogs acting like dogs is automatically funny/
 

Dear Prudence

Well-Known Member
Is Tarzan considered racist? I think there's some racist stuff in the original books, but I don't recall anything offensive being in the Disney movie.

Probably not? I mean, Swiss Family Robinson isn't a popular IP at the moment... then again, if they're planning a remake for Disney Plus it's possible that the idea came up...

I haven't seen Encanto either, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't take place in a jungle. Then again, neither does Aladdin but that being in Adventureland has never felt weird to me.

I'd gladly take that over sticking something based on the film in Animal Kingdom as everybody seems to be suggesting.

Doesn't Hong Kong Disneyland still have a Tarzan's Treehouse?

Question: which of the animals in the film was the Maximus/Sven/Pua equivalent? You know, the one that acted like a dog because animals that aren't dogs acting like dogs is automatically funny/
The original Tarzan books and media are...pretty terrible, if I can be honest. I read them eons ago, but a quick perusal o Wikipedia is bringing back some bad memory lane.
 

waltography

Well-Known Member
Fun fact: Bolt is one of the highest rated WDAS pictures on Rotten Tomatoes.
Bolt is interesting in that I've never had any interest of seeing it and think it's very much a product of its era based on marketing and (what I understand is) the story alone, but it's apparently really critically well liked and Wikipedia considers this movie and not Tangled as the beginning of the Disney Revival era.
 

PiratesMansion

Well-Known Member
Depending on what they do, I'm, on paper, fine with this. Tarzan's Treehouse was no masterpiece. Most of what worked about it seemed to be left over from the original SFT.

@Brer Panther, you are correct, HKDL also has a Tarzan's Treehouse. It's essentially the same as DL's, except you have to take a raft to get to it (if it was at DL it would essentially be right where the Fantasmic stage is) and there a few slightly more elaborate touches before you get to the actual experience. So if you've ever gone to TSI and felt like it wasn't worth the time you invested, HKDL is even worse.

Now, if they decide to do the same thing to the remaining Swiss Treehouses at any point, I will immediately surrender all approval towards this project. I also hope that if they use the Encanto treehouse they tone down the color palate so that it better matches its theme park environment.

As for the Bolt discourse, it is a fine, inoffensive movie. There's nothing really wrong with it but there's also nothing exceptional about it. The most notable thing about Bolt for me personally is that I got to watch it on the clock at the movie theater where I worked, the only Disney movie I can say that about. HOORAY for 3D glasses duty 1.0!

The actual Tarzan film strikes me as underrated nowadays. It's kind of the opposite of PATF-it made a decent amount of money but it seems like most people have forgotten about it. The first 30 minutes or so isn't great but the film gets considerably better once Tarzan reaches adulthood. It's also the only Disney film where the Deepcanvas technology really works and doesn't clash too much with the traditional animation. Hopefully now that everyone has Disney+ it'll be rediscovered by a new audience someday.
 

waltography

Well-Known Member
The actual Tarzan film strikes me as underrated nowadays. It's kind of the opposite of PATF-it made a decent amount of money but it seems like most people have forgotten about it. The first 30 minutes or so isn't great but the film gets considerably better once Tarzan reaches adulthood. It's also the only Disney film where the Deepcanvas technology really works and doesn't clash too much with the traditional animation. Hopefully now that everyone has Disney+ it'll be rediscovered by a new audience someday.
I think the soundtrack is due for well-deserved hype again; at least on TikTok, I've definitely seen a few popular videos remarking about how Michael Bolton Phil Collins really did incredible work on the soundtrack (plus it totally fits sonically into what's popular now).
 
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CastAStone

5th gate? Just build a new resort Bob.
Bolt is interesting in that I've never had any interest of seeing it and think it's very much a product of its era based on marketing and (what I understand is) the story alone, but it's apparently really critically well liked and Wikipedia considers this movie and not Tangled as the beginning of the Disney Revival era.
It’s the first one Lasseter really had a hand in.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
Fun fact: Bolt is one of the highest rated WDAS pictures on Rotten Tomatoes.

Well I did this list in about 10 minutes and I’ve only seen Bolt once so I judged it solely off the feeling it left me with. It’s possible it’s more of Tier 4 but I wouldn’t put it higher than that.
 

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