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lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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raven24 said:
So you're saying WDW can be considered to be in Lake Buena Vista or Bay Lake?

Where does WDW reside more in, Lake Buena Vista or Bay Lake?
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It depends on where you are inside Walt Disney World. Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista both fill up the Reedy Creek Improvement District, but what is considered Walt Disney World now extends beyond the borders of the Improvement District. Shades of Green and the Four Seasons / Golden Oak development are still considered part of Walt Disney World but have been deannexed from the Reedy Creek Improvement District and their respective municipalities, I believe Bay Lake for both. So they're in unincorporated Orange County. There is no one answer, and they'er all formalities for a structure that Disney ultimately controls.
 
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fbb

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TP2000 said:
No, John Wayne Airport is also known as "Orange County" and is technically located in the city of Santa Ana, which gives it its airport code of SNA. It's the hometown airport for the 3.5 Million people that live in Orange County, with very good nonstop service up and down the West Coast or to western Canada and Mexico, and fairly good service to the Midwest or East Coast.

John Wayne Airport is even closer to Disneyland than Long Beach Airport is, about 20 minutes from baggage claim to Disneyland. But it's often more expensive to fly into John Wayne due to the limit on late night flights and the super-convenience to the business centers of Orange County. John Wayne is also a fabulous airport, and much larger than Long Beach Airport. But it's clean and friendly and hip, and would seem like any new airport in any affluent smallish city.
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On the advice of TP2000, I flew into John Wayne on my recent trip to DL. Everything he says about it is true. Small, quick, clean, and convenient. Made for a perfect start to a vacation.
 
Master Yoda

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raven24 said:
@flynnibus @Master Yoda @lazyboy97o Thanks for explaining everything, guys! I understand, now. Since I haven't been to WDW (yet), it's a little hard for me to imagine things. It's better when you've seen it with your own eyes. I have a better idea of just how huge the resort is. Again, thanks!
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The whole of WDW is 47 square miles. By comparison it is twice the size of Manhattan or roughly 1/10 the size of all of LA county. To really dive the point home, DL is about 160 acres. Epcot by itself is nearly double that size at 300 acres. Animal Kingdom by itself comes in at 500.

To say that WDW is a city unto itself is very accurate.
 
Californian Elitist

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Master Yoda said:
The whole of WDW is 47 square miles. By comparison it is twice the size of Manhattan or roughly 1/10 the size of all of LA county. To really dive the point home, DL is about 160 acres. Epcot by itself is nearly double that size at 300 acres. Animal Kingdom by itself comes in at 500.

To say that WDW is a city unto itself is very accurate.
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I think I'm going to have to work out for at least six months before my first trip. That sounds like a ton of walking.
 
flynnibus

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raven24 said:
@flynnibus @Master Yoda @lazyboy97o Thanks for explaining everything, guys! I understand, now. Since I haven't been to WDW (yet), it's a little hard for me to imagine things. It's better when you've seen it with your own eyes. I have a better idea of just how huge the resort is. Again, thanks!
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When you want to kill time and blow your mind... just use bing maps and walk around the property with the birds eye view and sat maps. What boggles the mind is just how much 'backstage' infrastructure there is thrown all around the WDW property. There are literally DOZENS of sites all around the property that the guests never see. From looking at the fireworks storage facility behind the MK... to the boat facilities off bay lake.. it goes on and on and on.

Here is the housing for Lake Buena Vista... http://binged.it/14VcPwC

Then walk from there just south.. and see one of the many storage areas.. then two huge service areas.. including the boat docks for DTD area... and just to the west another huge service area. Then that just continues on and on and on all over property. Now you can see how they have tens of thousands of workers that aren't even in the parks themselves :)

Fireworks bunkers.. http://binged.it/16UAfaa

Bay Lake housing - http://binged.it/14VeAtY

And most of WDW as you know it is really in Bay Lake. LBV is where most of the corporate side of the operation is (over near the east/south) so many public addresses you see are LBV.. and not bay lake.
 
Master Yoda

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raven24 said:
I think I'm going to have to work out for at least six months before my first trip. That sounds like a ton of walking.
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It is a good bit of walking. I have heard numbers on the order of 3-5 miles per day or more thrown around.

englanddg said:
John Wayne is far superior to LAX. I would say Wil isn't off the mark at all.
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The guy seems to be on a plane about 6 times a month which, IMHO qualifies him for expert status on the matter.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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raven24 said:
@flynnibus @Master Yoda @lazyboy97o Thanks for explaining everything, guys! I understand, now. Since I haven't been to WDW (yet), it's a little hard for me to imagine things. It's better when you've seen it with your own eyes. I have a better idea of just how huge the resort is. Again, thanks!
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You're welcome. It's not something you will really see with a visit. Even the big arches over the road that "mark" Walt Disney World do not line up with any of the political boundaries. This was the idea behind Crossroads and Flamingo Crossing. Outside the "gates" but still on property owned and controlled by Disney.

Master Yoda said:
The whole of WDW is 47 square miles. By comparison it is twice the size of Manhattan or roughly 1/10 the size of all of LA county. To really dive the point home, DL is about 160 acres. Epcot by itself is nearly double that size at 300 acres. Animal Kingdom by itself comes in at 500.
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That number was before land was sold off. Celebration alone is something like 10 sq mi that are no longer part of Walt Disney World.
 
Master Yoda

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Wilt Dasney

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When I was in the newspaper biz and would get a chance to write about WDW (usually because a local team had played a game at WWoS), I'd write something like "the Walt Disney World Resort near Orlando." It felt like the best mix of brevity and accuracy that I could come up with for a general audience. Since it always bugs me that most reporters just toss off something like "Orlando's Disney World" when they mention the place, I really tried to put some thought into my references. :cool:

Speaking of the odd mix of political entities that make up WDW, you can buy two Cokes exactly the same size in two places on Disney property and pay different prices. This is because Orange County and Osceola County calculate different sales tax, and Disney property straddles both. (This was at least true at one time.)
 
Master Yoda

Master Yoda

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Wilt Dasney said:
When I was in the newspaper biz and would get a chance to write about WDW (usually because a local team had played a game at WWoS), I'd write something like "the Walt Disney World Resort near Orlando." It felt like the best mix of brevity and accuracy that I could come up with for a general audience. Since it always bugs me that most reporters just toss off something like "Orlando's Disney World" when they mention the place, I really tried to put some thought into my references. :cool:

Speaking of the odd mix of political entities that make up WDW, you can buy two Cokes exactly the same size in two places on Disney property and pay different prices. This is because Orange County and Osceola County calculate different sales tax, and Disney property straddles both. (This was at least true at one time.)
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Still true. If I am not mistaken the All Stars are in Osceola. I think AKL might be to, but I am not sure.
 
captainkidd

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Master Yoda said:
The whole of WDW is 47 square miles. By comparison it is twice the size of Manhattan or roughly 1/10 the size of all of LA county. To really dive the point home, DL is about 160 acres. Epcot by itself is nearly double that size at 300 acres. Animal Kingdom by itself comes in at 500.

To say that WDW is a city unto itself is very accurate.
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I thought DLPark was only 85 acres?
 
Tom

Tom

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Master Yoda said:
Still true. If I am not mistaken the All Stars are in Osceola. I think AKL might be to, but I am not sure.
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All Stars and WWOS are in Osceola. AKL is north of the parkway and county line, if I'm remembering correctly from my stint with the permits.
 
captainkidd

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Tom said:
I believe the entirety of the DLR property would fit inside Epcot. Not sure of exact sizes of the parks.
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I think the entire DLR property is just over 500 acres, or roughly the size of Animal Kingdom.

I believe I read Disneyland was 85 acres and DCA was 66 acres, but that was before Cars Land.
 
flynnibus

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raven24 said:
@Master Yoda @flynnibus @lazyboy97o So how much land exactly has been used for other things besides the parks and resorts? Where is Celebration, exactly? Is it somewhere in the resort, or just close by?
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This is a bit of a loaded question.. because there are two things actually going on here.

First, what land is currently used for non-park activities.. and Second... what land is actually available for use.

Of the entire property, there are large portions set aside for land resource management, in addition to land management issues with wetlands, environmental impact, etc. This post has links to maps from RCID about their land management policy.

The result of this is, it takes a few layers (more than I'm willing to invest at least..) to give you an accurate answer. In addition, you have to look at what property is suitable for what purpose, due to access, location, etc. It would be a fun project to map out.. but more than I have free time to dive into :)

Celebration took up the southern tip of the property. When you look at a map, the Disney property basically sits in the corner where Interstate 4, and Route 192 cross. Route 192 runs dead east/west in this area, and the original Disney property included land on the southern side of 192 as well. Celebration basically took the majority of the land south of Route 192. RCID still has property south of 192 set aside as conversation areas that are undeveloped.. but for all intensive purposes, one can look at the Disney property as basically stopping at 192 now.
 
englanddg

englanddg

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Master Yoda said:
It is a good bit of walking. I have heard numbers on the order of 3-5 miles per day or more thrown around.


The guy seems to be on a plane about 6 times a month which, IMHO qualifies him for expert status on the matter.
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From 2002 - 2007 that was me! Flew all over the place. 5 - 8 flights a month, at home 2 months a year, the rest on the road.

I grew a strong distaste for LAX in that time period!
 

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