News Disneyland Resort To Be A Major OC Vaccination Site-OCR

[TP2000]

At this point they have not yet confirmed that the vaccine prevents transmission so they are vaccinating to prevent illness and death. People who have been vaccinated are still supposed to continue all covid precautions.

I don't agree with @TP2000 on very many things related to this pandemic but he is spot on here.

Thank you!

I honestly thought maybe I was going nuts. It seems so basic and common sense to me to vaccinate the oldest people first to keep them alive, and work your way down in the months ahead to those under age 50 who have very low death rates.

The overly granular prioritization schemes that preceded this have created bottlenecks on top of the bottleneck we already have from manufacturing. It's logical to focus on the people most likely at risk of death before we extend to other groups.

My state seems even further behind than California. They haven't even shared any plans for vaccinating beyond 1A. If my 78-year-old dad makes it out of the hospital I hope there is a vaccine waiting for him shortly.

It's interesting how some states took this vaccine and were off and running! I listened to a radio program yesterday that explained how West Virginia and South Dakota simply tasked private pharmacies, doctor's and dentist's offices to handle this with their own known elderly customer bases. Those two rather poor states did it that way because it was the cheapest and fastest and simplest way their bureaucrats could think of to get as much vaccine out into local communities.

The states that are the fastest at this also declined the complicated Phases/Sub-Phases/Tiers from the CDC that rank people based on career choices and lifestyle choices.

Which is why the best states are up above the 50% administration rate and asking for as much vaccine as the Feds can send them. Meanwhile, California is stumbling and down around 24% administration and has over 2 Million vaccines sitting unused in freezers across the state. Sacramento made this way more complicated than it needed to be.

Just vaccinate the elderly and infirm first! It's basic common sense.

 

[Communicora]

Thank you!

I honestly thought maybe I was going nuts. It seems so basic and common sense to me to vaccinate the oldest people first to keep them alive, and work your way down in the months ahead to those under age 50 who have very low death rates.



It's interesting how some states took this vaccine and were off and running! I listened to a radio program yesterday that explained how West Virginia and South Dakota simply tasked private pharmacies, doctor's and dentist's offices to handle this with their own known elderly customer bases. Those two rather poor states did it that way because it was the cheapest and fastest and simplest way their bureaucrats could think of to get as much vaccine out into local communities.

The states that are the fastest at this also declined the complicated Phases/Sub-Phases/Tiers from the CDC that rank people based on career choices and lifestyle choices.

Which is why the best states are up above the 50% administration rate and asking for as much vaccine as the Feds can send them. Meanwhile, California is stumbling and down around 24% administration and has over 2 Million vaccines sitting unused in freezers across the state. Sacramento made this way more complicated than it needed to be.

Just vaccinate the elderly and infirm first! It's basic common sense.

I do think it made sense to start with the healthcare workers because they are at higher risk of dying than other people their age because of the repeated exposure. We also need them healthy. Now that their vaccinations are well underway we need to get a move on with the people most at risk. I'm really glad Disney is letting them use this site and I hope it helps get California's numbers under control.

 

[lazyboy97o]

At this point they have not yet confirmed that the vaccine prevents transmission so they are vaccinating to prevent illness and death. People who have been vaccinated are still supposed to continue all covid precautions.

I don't agree with @TP2000 on very many things related to this pandemic but he is spot on here. The overly granular prioritization schemes that preceded this have created bottlenecks on top of the bottleneck we already have from manufacturing. It's logical to focus on the people most likely at risk of death before we extend to other groups.

My state seems even further behind than California. They haven't even shared any plans for vaccinating beyond 1A. If my 78-year-old dad makes it out of the hospital I hope there is a vaccine waiting for him shortly.

While the ability to transmit has not been studied, the very nature of how a vaccine works means it should decrease the viral load making a vaccinated person at least less contagious. This would be why Phase 1b includes grocery store workers. A nurse, doctor, fire fighter, etc. you want to prevent illness because replacing any of those persons is not easy. Replacing a grocery store worker who is out sick is orders of magnitude easier. They're being vaccinated towards the front because of the high volume of people with which they interact, including persons who are at higher risk.

And I do hope your dad gets out fo the hospital and gets his shot.

 

[TP2000]

Speaking of our 50 states, the rankings and stats were just updated this afternoon (evening Eastern time) for January 14th. West Virginia has moved into the lead and bumped the Dakotas out of the top spot!

Texas also rose three spots and is now the 6th most efficient state in the nation in administering its allocated vaccine. That's impressive for a giant state of 30 Million like Texas, and as a native Californian who has poked fun of Texas plenty, a tip of my 10 Gallon Hat to our friends in the Lonestar State!

As of 1/14, the rankings by percentage of Covid vaccine doses administered...

1. West Virginia = 161,975 Doses Distributed, 68.7% Doses Administered
6. Texas = 1,984,025 Doses Distributed, 49.2% Doses Administered
16. Florida = 1,680,300 Doses Distributed, 42.0% Doses Administered
44. California = 3,435,650 Doses Distributed, 25.9% Doses Administered

Go California, Beat Arkansas!

California had more vaccine doses added to its state inventory since yesterday, but not a lot of movement on doses actually administered. There are now 2.3 Million doses unused in California freezers.

States ranked by percentage of COVID-19 vaccines administered: Nov. 30

Wisconsin has administered the highest percentage of COVID-19 vaccines it has received, according to the CDC's COVID-19 vaccine distribution and administration data tracker.

www.beckershospitalreview.com

 

[TP2000]

I do think it made sense to start with the healthcare workers because they are at higher risk of dying than other people their age because of the repeated exposure. We also need them healthy. Now that their vaccinations are well underway we need to get a move on with the people most at risk. I'm really glad Disney is letting them use this site and I hope it helps get California's numbers under control.

Agreed.

My only concern with this SuperSite, and this came up with elderly friends this morning over coffee, is that the Disneyland SuperSite is sprawling and massive. It can be daunting physically for an elderly person to maneuver through that large parking lot, with a long walk back to your car once you've gotten to the final tent.

I get it operationally. But logistically from an elderly perspective? It's scary and daunting and will seem overwhelmingly impossible to many elderly people who don't live in care facilities and need to drive there on their own.

It's notable that all the photos of elderly folks shown in local media yesterday were being pushed by their middle aged children in walkers and wheelchairs. The Disneyland SuperSite is HUGE! This is another reason why I'm waiting for the shot to be at my local CVS, where they know me and I can park right in front. I don't need a walker, but this doesn't look like much fun...

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Some people are still here, after a full year of debate, pretending to not be intelligent enough to grasp the most basic concepts about Covid-19.

• The more people one comes in contact with the higher the risk for transmission.
• Fatalities are extremely important but they are not the only pressing concern.
• It isn't cute to whine about Disneyland being closed or brag about your vacation when hospitals are overflowing with the sick and dying.
• The elderly are not the only high-risk group.
• It has been proven over and over that anyone at any age can die from Covid-19 or suffer from lingering symptoms and respiratory damage months after they recover.
• If we want businesses open and people employed then frontline workers must be protected against getting infected or infecting their family members and those they come in contact with while on the job.

 

[DrAlice]

Since the 65+ announcement yesterday, my parents have tried to make an appointment for vaccines. They can't get through to their health care provider, because they have been overwhelmed with calls. In addition, the local "mass-vaccination site" has no current info available. It says "appointment only" but doesn't say how to make said appointment. It's all very frustrating.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It says "appointment only" but doesn't say how to make said appointment. It's all very frustrating.

I thought about using a county testing site earlier in the year because it was close and got stuck in a “Click Here” loop. Several pages into “Click Here to Schedule Your Appointment” and it eventually just went right back to start.

 

[TP2000]

Some people are still here, after a full year of debate, pretending to not be intelligent enough to grasp the most basic concepts about Covid-19.

• The more people one comes in contact with the higher the risk for transmission.

Yes. But that's not a concept exclusive to Covid.

• Fatalities are extremely important but they are not the only pressing concern.

No, but they are the top reason why everything shut down last March, and remains closed in California. To save lives, not save people from getting a bad head cold.

• It isn't cute to whine about Disneyland being closed or brag about your vacation when hospitals are overflowing with the sick and dying.

Agreed, but again that's not a concept exclusive to Covid. If someone tells you their grandmother just died, you don't tell them you had a fabulous time last week in Maui. That's just rude.

• The elderly are not the only high-risk group.

True. But the other high-risk groups under age 65 are already grouped into Phase 1A and 1B. They are taken care of with vaccine distribution at the same time the elderly are.

• It has been proven over and over that anyone at any age can die from Covid-19 or suffer from lingering symptoms and raspatory damage months after they recover.

Yes, but again, that's not exclusive to Covid. Hundreds of American schoolchildren die every year from the flu. But compared to the hundreds of thousands of elderly who died with Covid, the tiny fraction of one percent of people under age 20 who died with Covid are a tiny medical footnote.

• If we want businesses open and people employed then frontline workers must be protected against getting infected or infecting their family members and those they come in contact with while on the job.

Agreed. I don't think anyone has said that frontline healthcare workers shouldn't be in Phase 1A. I would even lump the grocery store workers and the Target Optical girl into Phase 1B, just because they kept working the frontlines all year while the middle aged white collar folks sat around at home drinking Cabernet on their Zoom calls.

What I do not think should happen is a young, healthy volunteer at the SuperSite gets to jump the line from their assigned Phase 3 to Phase 1A just because he helped park cars or restock forms onto clipboards for a few hours.

 

[DrAlice]

I thought about using a county testing site earlier in the year because it was close and got stuck in a “Click Here” loop. Several pages into “Click Here to Schedule Your Appointment” and it eventually just went right back to start.

I'm super frustrated about this. I mean, the health care provider has known for almost a year that they would be distributing vaccines at some point. During that time they couldn't develop a website for vaccine appointments (as supplement to the phone number) so they could reduce call volume???? Really??? They already have an appointment website for regular appointments. It's just maddening. Our whole pandemic response has been frustratingly inefficient.


(Sorry mods... maybe this isn't the appropriate place for this conversation. I just needed to vent.)

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Yes. But that's not a concept exclusive to Covid.

No, but they are the top reason why everything shut down last March, and remains closed in California. To save lives, not save people from getting a bad head cold.


Agreed, but again that's not a concept exclusive to Covid. If someone tells you their grandmother just died, you don't tell them you had a fabulous time last week in Maui. That's just rude.

True. But the other high-risk groups under age 65 are already grouped into Phase 1A and 1B. They are taken care of with vaccine distribution at the same time the elderly are.

Yes, but again, that's not exclusive to Covid. Hundred of schoolchildren die every year from the flu. But compared to the hundreds of thousands of elderly who died with Covid, the tiny fraction of one percent of people under age 20 who died with Covid are a tiny medical footnote.


Agreed. I don't think anyone has said that frontline healthcare workers shouldn't be in Phase 1A. I would even lump the grocery store workers and the Target Optical girl into Phase 1B, just because they kept working the frontlines all year while the middle aged white collar folks sat around at home drinking Cabernet on their Zoom calls.

What I do not think should happen is a young, healthy volunteer at the SuperSite gets to jump the line from their assigned Phase 3 to Phase 1A just because he helped park cars or restock forms onto clipboards for a few hours.

 

[TP2000]

Again Hans, you think a volunteer at the Supersite should get to jump the line from Phase 3 to Phase 1A???

I disagree with that. Unless you've changed your mind and realized the logistics are a fraud magnet of giving out instant vaccines to 30 year olds who say they are going to "volunteer" to park cars, and then just walk away from their shift once they've gotten their vaccine shot.

Screw grandma, I scammed my way into a shot four months early!

But if you still think someone in Phase 3 can walk in off Katella Avenue and ask to help park cars if they get the shot ahead of 200 Million other Americans, then I can come up with plenty of saucy photos myself in response to your logic.

 

[TP2000]

I agree older first.

But looking at it in another way. it is not fair in the Equity Matrix.

Who can volunteer for 40+ hours?

Those who have other sources of financial support, do not need to take care of children and other family members, etc.

Aka the Soccer parents, etc....

I would like to see some private companies/charities offer gifts for volunteering, such as gift cards.

But the Vaccines should be issued in Phase order. The only exception is when doses are about to expire, then, instead of throwing them away, the should be given out to those nearby.

But with all the stuff about celebrities and other well to do folks cutting the line, do not let folks cut the line.

The wealthy scramble to get the COVID-19 vaccine - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

Those are all excellent points! Who the heck has 40 hours of free time to volunteer at this Supersite? The unemployed or those who don't need to work, that's who.

The thought that you would pay people (in the form of a vaccine in Phase 1A months before they are supposed to get it in Phase 2 or 3) before they work their scheduled 40 hour work week of volunteering is laughable.

I mean, why don't employers just start paying folks on Sunday for the work week ahead?

I'm sure everyone will still show up for their scheduled shifts Monday thru Friday if we are nice enough to give them their paycheck first on Sunday, right???

 

[Sailor310]

I tried to log in to LA County's site. I didn't get very far. Perhaps the military will come through.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I'm super frustrated about this. I mean, the health care provider has known for almost a year that they would be distributing vaccines at some point. During that time they couldn't develop a website for vaccine appointments (as supplement to the phone number) so they could reduce call volume???? Really??? They already have an appointment website for regular appointments. It's just maddening. Our whole pandemic response has been frustratingly inefficient.


(Sorry mods... maybe this isn't the appropriate place for this conversation. I just needed to vent.)

Some places in Florida apparently just ended up using Evenbrite.

 

[TP2000]

I tried to log in to LA County's site. I didn't get very far. Perhaps the military will come through.

OC is using a site called Othena. Is LA County using that system? The Othena site allowed a bunch of us to register yesterday, but now we're just sort of waiting I guess for some sort of notification.

I'm happy to wait until the shot is available at my local CVS. But it would be nice to have some more information.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I disagree with that. Unless you've changed your mind and realized the logistics are a fraud magnet of giving out instant vaccines to 30 year olds who say they are going to "volunteer" to park cars, and then just walk away from their shift once they've gotten their vaccine shot.

Someone who is so desperate to get the vaccine that they are willing to lie to county officials (which would be an example of fraud, a crime) would probably want to actually be fully vaccinated.

 

[Darkbeer1]

Someone who is so desperate to get the vaccine that they are willing to lie to county officials (which would be an example of fraud, a crime) would probably want to actually be fully vaccinated.

Or lie to the EDD, and even write a song about it.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Or lie to the EDD, and even write a song about it.

I do not know this reference.

 

[Darkbeer1]

I do not know this reference.