News Disneyland Resort To Be A Major OC Vaccination Site-OCR

[TP2000]

Also, can you imagine if they said "If you volunteer to help, you get to jump the line to Phase 1 ahead of 110 Million Americans over the age of 50 and you get a Covid shot on your first day of volunteering!"

You'd get a flood of people who are supposed to be in Phase 2 or Phase 3 to show up to be an unpaid "volunteer", they'd get their shot and if you are lucky they'd work one, single shift directing traffic and restocking forms and stacking clipboards, and then "Sayonara Suckers!" and they'd be gone. Some might even just excuse themselves to the ladies room immediately after the shot, walk straight to their car, and disappear onto Katella Avenue to never be seen again.

They'd be back home with their Covid shot, jumped the line from Phase 2 or Phase 3 all the way up to Phase 1A. Meanwhile, there's no one directing traffic at the Toy Story Lot and the "volunteer" ranks are not quite as robust as the sign-ups led them to believe.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

This has nothing to do with politics.

At this point the gaslighting is so bad it's laughable.

 

[TP2000]

The young clerk girl at the Target Optical got the vaccine but none of the old folks I've encountered at various retirement homes after my temperature check have.

This exact thing came up at coffee this morning with some friends. Phase 1A, and especially Phase 1B, seem to prioritize people by career choice, not age. Which I mostly understand as you've got to get the frontline nurses and doctors vaccinated first so they can continue to provide help without being out sick for a week.

But then the Phases, Sub-Phases and Tiers get way down into the weeds of prioritizing career choices where you've got trashmen and IT guys and the Target Optical girl who are allowed to get shots in Phase 1B. And these are young and able people who can get out easily and get the shot, and their employers are helping them do that also.

Meanwhile, the people who are mostly dying from this virus - the elderly and infirm, are sitting in nursing homes and retirement communities or just their old tract home they've lived in since 1968 and they have no way to get to the front of the line to get a shot. The logistics of these Supersites are even daunting, or prohibitive, to many elderly folks. Am I the only one here who knows lots of rickety old folks?

The thought of navigating a giant parking lot with tents spread all over and long walks involved is not welcoming to an elderly lady whose big event for the day is taking her walker out to the mailbox. God bless this sweet elderly lady and her daughter for making it through the Supersite!

 

[TP2000]

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At this point the gaslighting is so bad it's laughable.

I had to Google "gaslighting" because I never remember what that slang means. I got this from Google...

"Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse where a person or group makes someone question their sanity, perception of reality, or memories. People experiencing gaslighting often feel confused, anxious, and unable to trust themselves."

I've chatted with you online for decades, and I'm sorry you feel that way, Hans. We obviously disagree on this "Volunteers Get A Covid Shot" thing. You think someone should get an immediate shot for volunteering for one shift to help park cars at the Supersite, even if they are classified in Phase 2 or Phase 3.

While I think the 52 Million Americans over the age of 65 should be prioritized first and no one from Phase 2 or Phase 3 should be allowed to jump the line for doing good deeds for a few hours.

Once we are out of Phase 1 and into Phase 2, maybe we can talk about letting do-gooders or scammers jump the line from Phase 3 to Phase 2 for doing community service.

But in the first few days of the vaccine distribution where 52 Million of the highest risk Americans still need their first shot??? No way should anyone be jumping the line from Phase 3 ahead of this lady...

If the kids call my opinion on that "gaslighting", then so be it. Call it whatever you want, I can Google anything to learn what you are saying, but I firmly believe we need to get the 52 Million Americans over the age of 65 vaccinated first.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I had to Google "gaslighting" because I never remember what that slang means. I got this from Google...

"Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse where a person or group makes someone question their sanity, perception of reality, or memories. People experiencing gaslighting often feel confused, anxious, and unable to trust themselves."

I've chatted with you online for decades, and I'm sorry you feel that way, Hans. We obviously disagree on this "Volunteers Get A Covid Shot" thing. You think someone should get an immediate shot for volunteering for one shift to help park cars at the Supersite, even if they are classified in Phase 2 or Phase 3.

While I think the 52 Million Americans over the age of 65 should be prioritized first and no one from Phase 2 or Phase 3 should be allowed to jump the line for doing good deeds for a few hours.

Once we are out of Phase 1 and into Phase 2, maybe we can talk about letting do-gooders or scammers jump the line from Phase 3 to Phase 2 for doing community service.

But in the first few days of the vaccine distribution where 52 Million of the highest risk Americans still need their first shot??? No way should anyone be jumping the line from Phase 3 ahead of this lady...

If the kids call my opinion on that "gaslighting", then so be it. Call it whatever you want, I can Google anything to learn what you are saying, but I firmly believe we need to get the 52 Million Americans over the age of 65 vaccinated first.

Do you still not understand how transmission works? Or do you think it just magically pops up in peoples' homes?

 

[TP2000]

Do you still not understand how transmission works? Or do you think it just magically pops up in peoples' homes?

Do you still not understand that 81% of the deaths have been Americans over the age of 65?

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Do you still not understand that 81% of the deaths have been Americans over the age of 65?

And do you still not understand that deaths are not the only metric for preventing viral spread?

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Do you still not understand that 81% of the deaths have been Americans over the age of 65?

All the nursing facilities that have been Covid hotspots from the beginning should be vaccinated, but I encountered another today that wasn't and was warned at the front desk that they have Covid in the facility! They are absolutely botching this.

 

[el_super]

This exact thing came up at coffee this morning with some friends.

I still cannot get over the disconnect between the "this vaccine rollout is a crisis that has been horribly mismanaged" coming from the same people who didn't take the virus seriously and apparently still insist it isn't any different from the flu. Pick a lane. Try to be consistent.

 

[TP2000]

And do you still not understand that deaths are not the only metric for preventing viral spread?

I get that. Theoretically, the Target Optical girl could give Covid to her 75 year old grandmother with diabetes if the Target Optical girl doesn't take precautions around her grandmother, or avoid grandmother completely until grandmother has gotten her vaccine shots.

But in the first 30 days of mass vaccination programs at these Supersites? I do not believe a healthy 35 year old who works in Marketing or HR should jump the line ahead of that 75 year old grandmother with diabetes.

If that 35 year old cubicle drone wants to do good deeds and help park cars at the Supersite, that's fabulous. But young and healthy people in Phase 2 and Phase 3 should not be jumping the line, especially during the first few days and weeks of vaccine rollout to the most fragile and elderly communities.

This lady pushing the wheelchair is a doll, you can just tell! She's pushing her elderly mom through the sprawling Disneyland Supersite, and she is probably in her 40's but very fit (ripped, even) and obviously takes very good care of herself as so many OC housewives do. But just because she did a good deed and takes care of herself doesn't mean she should get to jump the line out of Phase 2 and get a shot that should be going to an elderly person in Phase 1A.

 

[TP2000]

All the nursing facilities that have been Covid hotspots from the beginning should be vaccinated, but I encountered another today that wasn't and was warned at the front desk that they have Covid in the facility! They are absolutely botching this.

While 81% of the deaths have been Americans over the age of 65, 40% of those deaths have been people living in Nursing Homes (AKA, "Assisted Living" or "Community Care" or whatever they call them now to avoid saying "Nursing Home").

40% of the deaths are in Nursing Homes! There needs to be a fleet of Bookmobile things that just drive around to all the Nursing Homes giving shots to thousands of people per day.

This morning's coffee klatch was a group of people exclusively in Phase 1A and Phase 1B. None of us have gotten a shot, or have any idea how it works. Most of us signed up on the Othena app once it stopped crashing, but now we just wait...

I'm not concerned myself. I'm waiting for the Johnson&Johnson shot and will just get it later this year when it's at my local CVS. I have no desire nor need to rush down to that huge Supersite and take up space and resources from others. I can wait, quite happily.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I get that. Theoretically, the Target Optical girl could give Covid to her 75 year old grandmother with diabetes if the Target Optical girl doesn't take precautions around her grandmother, or avoid grandmother completely until grandmother has gotten her vaccine shots.

But in the first 30 days of mass vaccination programs at these Supersites? I do not believe a healthy 35 year old who works in Marketing or HR should jump the line ahead of that 75 year old grandmother with diabetes.

If that 35 year old cubicle drone wants to do good deeds and help park cars at the Supersite, that's fabulous. But young and healthy people in Phase 2 and Phase 3 should not be jumping the line, especially during the first few days and weeks of vaccine rollout to the most fragile and elderly communities.

This lady pushing the wheelchair is a doll, you can just tell! She's pushing her elderly mom through the sprawling Disneyland Supersite, and she is probably in her 40's but very fit (ripped, even) and obviously takes very good care of herself as so many OC housewives do. But just because she did a good deed and takes care of herself doesn't mean she should get to jump the line out of Phase 2 and get a shot that should be going to an elderly person in Phase 1A.

When in doubt just drizzle on some misogyny. They might even have "lady pharmacists" working at the Disneyland Resort distribution site.

 

[Darkbeer1]

I agree older first.

But looking at it in another way. it is not fair in the Equity Matrix.

Who can volunteer for 40+ hours?

Those who have other sources of financial support, do not need to take care of children and other family members, etc.

Aka the Soccer parents, etc....

I would like to see some private companies/charities offer gifts for volunteering, such as gift cards.

But the Vaccines should be issued in Phase order. The only exception is when doses are about to expire, then, instead of throwing them away, the should be given out to those nearby.

But with all the stuff about celebrities and other well to do folks cutting the line, do not let folks cut the line.

The wealthy scramble to get the COVID-19 vaccine - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I still cannot get over the disconnect between the "this vaccine rollout is a crisis that has been horribly mismanaged" coming from the same people who didn't take the virus seriously and apparently still insist it isn't any different from the flu.

It's evident that there is no disconnect and there never has been. The disingenuousness around this topic from several posters here is real and ongoing.

 

[lazyboy97o]

But the Vaccines should be issued in Phase order. The only exception is when doses are about to expire, then, instead of throwing them away, the should be given out to those nearby.

A person working on vaccine distribution would be working with high risk individuals in a healthcare capacity, so not exactly ignoring the phases.

 

[Darkbeer1]

A person working on vaccine distribution would be working with high risk individuals in a healthcare capacity, placing them in a different phase.

As TP2000 pointed out, those in close contact and actually dealing with the vaccine need to be current healthcare workers.

Those in the secondary roles are not being placed in high risk roles. No way would the County allow it.

 

[lazyboy97o]

As TP2000 pointed out, those in close contact and actually dealing with the vaccine need to be current healthcare workers.

Those in the secondary roles are not being placed in high risk roles. No way would the County allow it.

Just because someone is not handling or administering the actual vaccine does not mean they will not be coming into contact with lots of people. The administrative staff of a doctor’s office aren’t handling patient care but they can end up interacting with more people than the doctors and nurses as everyone comes to check-in, pay, check-out, schedule appoints, etc. Doing things like paperwork and guiding people between tents can still involve interaction. There is also the issue of spread without direct interaction. Mitigation efforts are just that, mitigation and when you have thousands of people coming through that is thousands of opportunities for spread.

 

[Darkbeer1]

Just because someone is not handling or administering the actual vaccine does not mean they will not be coming into contact with lots of people. The administrative staff of a doctor’s office aren’t handling patient care but they can end up interacting with more people than the doctors and nurses as everyone comes to check-in, pay, check-out, schedule appoints, etc. Doing things like paperwork and guiding people between tents can still involve interaction. There is also the issue of spread without direct interaction. Mitigation efforts are just that, mitigation and when you have thousands of people coming through that is thousands of opportunities for spread.

They are volunteering, they no the risks.

The threat to the 70 year old is still higher than a Volunteer.

You came up with a order based on science and data, stick to it!

 

[lazyboy97o]

They are volunteering, they no the risks.

The threat to the 70 year old is still higher than a Volunteer.

You came up with a order based on science and data, stick to it!

Again, the risk assessment is not about the individual volunteer.

From the beginning, the order has included people interacting with a lot of individuals, particularly those who are high risk.

 

[Communicora]

Do you still not understand how transmission works? Or do you think it just magically pops up in peoples' homes?

At this point they have not yet confirmed that the vaccine prevents transmission so they are vaccinating to prevent illness and death. People who have been vaccinated are still supposed to continue all covid precautions.

I don't agree with @TP2000 on very many things related to this pandemic but he is spot on here. The overly granular prioritization schemes that preceded this have created bottlenecks on top of the bottleneck we already have from manufacturing. It's logical to focus on the people most likely at risk of death before we extend to other groups.

My state seems even further behind than California. They haven't even shared any plans for vaccinating beyond 1A. If my 78-year-old dad makes it out of the hospital I hope there is a vaccine waiting for him shortly.