lazyboy97o
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That doesn't mean anything. It is just a "Disney does whatever, accept it" mentality.
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Disneyland Resort in 2017: Marvel TOT retheme in DCA, Fantasmic! 2.0
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Mike S
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Thought I'd see what the reaction is here. Now I mean this in a kind of lighthearted funny way since this is California,
While it pales in comparison your ToT is still a solid ride. It also happens to be one of the only things about California in your park about California. Maybe if that reworked version themed around San Francisco and an Earthquake '74 mentioned actually happened for you guys you might feel differently. I'm losing my damn mind over this here in Florida. I'm seriously considering never paying to go there again if this happens.
While it pales in comparison your ToT is still a solid ride. It also happens to be one of the only things about California in your park about California. Maybe if that reworked version themed around San Francisco and an Earthquake '74 mentioned actually happened for you guys you might feel differently. I'm losing my damn mind over this here in Florida. I'm seriously considering never paying to go there again if this happens.
George Lucas on a Bench
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It's probable that Disney just doesn't want to outsource their entertainment anymore, ie the Twilight Zone license. That's something I give old school MGM and the Eisner regime credit for. There was a lot of variety at the park, not just Disney owned properties. Those were the days when they released Roger Rabbit featuring Disney and Warner Bros. characters together. Now, they own Muppets, Star Wars and Indy, but back then they wanted them in the parks regardless of licensing and they got them.
Californian Elitist
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I'm more concerned and pi**ed about Star Wars Land going into Disneyland. Guardians of the Galaxy ToT hasn't been announced, and is therefore still a rumor. Star Wars Land is far worse than this rumor, even if it turns out to be true.
Not going to lie, I don't care about ToT. For me to get as upset as you, Disney would have to announce something else stupid and ridiculous, like turning Matterhorn into a Frozen-themed attraction. THEN I'd be really angry. But even though I don't care about ToT, I can still admit if this decision turns out to be true, it'll be another bunch of f***ery (excuse my language) coming from Disney. As Endor said, these are the type of things from Disney we'll be seeing more and more in the future, unfortunately.
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The way I see it there isn't any other reasonable mentality to have if I'm going to remain sane and continue enjoying the place. So bicker and quarrel about terrible aesthetics all you want, and by all means please come here week after week to debate about how management is "ruining the parks", and have fun griping about the rising admission prices. Just remember one thing though: no matter how shrill and passionate the discussion becomes, at the end of every day Disney's corporate leadership is going to decide to do whatever it pleases at its theme parks, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.
Sped2424
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I'm okay with Frozen in fantasmic but if they must do it make it something other than let it go. I say put it in the middle right before the dreams start turning bad and make it this scene
Complete with blizzard effects in crowd and an Marshmallow figure to chase mickey into the next dream.
Complete with blizzard effects in crowd and an Marshmallow figure to chase mickey into the next dream.
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Sped2424
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Tell that to avatarland coming 2017!
Suspirian
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Isn't the expansion still supposed to be apart of Hollywoodland as a "Marvel Studios" mini land?
Mike S
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Well, Star Wars Land was just a rumor at one point as well from the same source.
britain
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Okay, okay, if there is also this Capt. America coaster, it occurred to me that it could be 1940's Cap themed. If so, then this Marvel area might be more Agent Cartery than Tony Stark & The Avengersy.
If so, maybe, MAYBE, having a 1930's Art Deco "Collectors Tower" where the inside transitions to weird alien GotG stuff could work. Like how DL's Pirates is all New Orleans on the outside, but transitions to Spanish Main on the ride.
Until this thought occurred to me, I couldn't see how making Tower of Terror a GotG attraction would justify it being in a Marvel land. If they don't go this way, and they build a lot of Stark Expo type stuff next to it, it would be like seeing the New Orleans Pirates building next to a whole bunch of Spanish mercados and fortresses etc. Technically all part of the same brand/story, but not immersive at all.
If so, maybe, MAYBE, having a 1930's Art Deco "Collectors Tower" where the inside transitions to weird alien GotG stuff could work. Like how DL's Pirates is all New Orleans on the outside, but transitions to Spanish Main on the ride.
Until this thought occurred to me, I couldn't see how making Tower of Terror a GotG attraction would justify it being in a Marvel land. If they don't go this way, and they build a lot of Stark Expo type stuff next to it, it would be like seeing the New Orleans Pirates building next to a whole bunch of Spanish mercados and fortresses etc. Technically all part of the same brand/story, but not immersive at all.
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If it is that would still be a different context from the period and setting it's currently in. Aren't NOS and Critter Country basically extensions of Frontierland, yet with distinct identities? I could see it working for a Marvel Hollywoodland expansion if done thoughtfully.
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BrianLo
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Mike, I'll say it here, but let's be realistic, it's probably not going to happen at DHS.
Spirit has already wound back to 50/50 - which in TDO speak is basically never. We hear about these types of things all the time and invariably plans change 5 times before we actually see it executed, or more often never at all.
It actually has to happen in DCA first (which isn't even a for sure thing, as basically most plans sit on a back burner to SDL/Star Wars). It actually has to be well received. Then it's only an overlay in DHS, meaning it can and will be able to go away. Not to mention extra complicating factors like money and the total operational disaster that is DHS during its forthcoming makeover.
I'm not saying the information right now is not true, people definitely want to clone this to save money. I'm just saying that we've seen this enough times that what we are hearing right now is way too far out (at DHS) to actually happen exactly as is being discussed.
Case in point - Star Wars. Yes it's happening, but how similar is it to the original plan (Tomorrowland/Subs). Not a whole lot.
I also remain convinced that, yes, Disney does listen to fans. There is enough blowback (and unlike DCA) the ToT in DHS has no real issues that I just don't think TDO will pull the trigger. Someone leaked this specifically to Spirit, to get it killed in DHS, and my gut instinct says it will be.
It's kind of too bad we had to learn about this whole thing from the WDW angle first. It's really not a WDW-centric plan and it's hard to really critically evaluate this when it's being presented primarily to get it killed at DHS. You can't have a positive opinion towards the whole thing when the WDW fans are (rightfully) having an emotional breakdown over a proposal that wasn't meant for their park.
I love Spirit and his current info is always well sourced and accurate. But I don't always agree with his personal opinions and everything he presents is always heavily filtered by his agenda (getting it killed) and preferences. He also wildly, wildly speculates and theorizes, which often are opinions presented as fact.
Plus, you know you'll go back for Star Wars regardless, even if you give the middle finger to an overlayed ToT as you walk by.
Curious Constance
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With Star Wars Land currently being built, I'm surprised they are considering building/refreshing any other areas of the resort during it's construction. There is already so much money being spent. I take that as a good sign.
Phroobar
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Not sure what they gain with a retheme. The ride is already extremely popular. It's not like its a walk on all the time. Why spend 30 million on a retheme and deal with the downtime for very little, if any, customer gain. It just doesn't seem like a smart business move.
Mike S
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Most likely yes, but like I said I won't be paying for it. I know both a former and a current CM that I can get tickets from. I'll take in my own snacks with cargo shorts if I have to. I'll stay offsite (maybe at Uni) and even get a cab or Uber to take me to Disney just for the principal of not giving them a single cent, not even for parking.Plus, you know you'll go back for Star Wars regardless, even if you give the middle finger to an overlayed ToT as you walk by.
BrianLo
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Touche!
Although you'll still buy the merch and food in the cantina, ha ha ha. It's a losing proposition.
Or just stick it to WDW and go to Disneyland.
Mike S
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That too.
FigmentForver96
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This would be that ONE thing that one 50/50 thing that would somehow become a go. 50/50 is enough hope for me, but then I realize the same crap is happening to Disneyland as well so much can't be said.Mike, I'll say it here, but let's be realistic, it's probably not going to happen at DHS.
Spirit has already wound back to 50/50 - which in TDO speak is basically never. We hear about these types of things all the time and invariably plans change 5 times before we actually see it executed, or more often never at all.
It actually has to happen in DCA first (which isn't even a for sure thing, as basically most plans sit on a back burner to SDL/Star Wars). It actually has to be well received. Then it's only an overlay in DHS, meaning it can and will be able to go away. Not to mention extra complicating factors like money and the total operational disaster that is DHS during its forthcoming makeover.
I'm not saying the information right now is not true, people definitely want to clone this to save money. I'm just saying that we've seen this enough times that what we are hearing right now is way too far out (at DHS) to actually happen exactly as is being discussed.
Case in point - Star Wars. Yes it's happening, but how similar is it to the original plan (Tomorrowland/Subs). Not a whole lot.
I also remain convinced that, yes, Disney does listen to fans. There is enough blowback (and unlike DCA) the ToT in DHS has no real issues that I just don't think TDO will pull the trigger. Someone leaked this specifically to Spirit, to get it killed in DHS, and my gut instinct says it will be.
It's kind of too bad we had to learn about this whole thing from the WDW angle first. It's really not a WDW-centric plan and it's hard to really critically evaluate this when it's being presented primarily to get it killed at DHS. You can't have a positive opinion towards the whole thing when the WDW fans are (rightfully) having an emotional breakdown over a proposal that wasn't meant for their park.
I love Spirit and his current info is always well sourced and accurate. But I don't always agree with his personal opinions and everything he presents is always heavily filtered by his agenda (getting it killed) and preferences. He also wildly, wildly speculates and theorizes, which often are opinions presented as fact.
Plus, you know you'll go back for Star Wars regardless, even if you give the middle finger to an overlayed ToT as you walk by.
JoFu
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I agree, I feel like all the stuff they cram into the DHS Fantasmic! makes it feel cheaper. They need to be careful about how much they add to the Disneyland version IMO.
Californian Elitist
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True, but this still hasn't been announced, regardless. Plans could change. I'm pretty certain WestCOT was announced, and it doesn't exist.