Californian Elitist
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There is no fight, it is what it is.
I don’t feel bad that non-California residents won’t be able to visit the parks when they re-open, as there are plenty of us that can carry attendance.
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Disneyland officially reopening April 30th
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I don’t feel bad that non-California residents won’t be able to visit the parks when they re-open, as there are plenty of us that can carry attendance.
George Lucas on a Bench
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Raven's Gatekeeping, as the kids on the internet are saying these days. Pay no mind.
ToTBellHop
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And fill the hotels?
Californian Elitist
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And George continues to seek attention. Feed his need however you guys and gals see fit.
Californian Elitist
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Of course.
TP2000
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The CM's are back. Disney will survive. I'm not worried one bit about the CM's who were recalled to work at A Taste of Disney. They already got their jobs back. Disney does not need my financial support to buy a $75 ticket for $25 worth of food.
But I am very worried about the mom n' pop places, even the franchised chains that are simply owned by small family business trusts, throughout the Anaheim Resort District. Have you driven through that area lately? It's apocalyptic.
For every storefront and motel and restaurant that is closed and boarded up now in Anaheim, there is a destroyed dream and a life's work flushed down the toilet. Keeping Oregonians from visiting Anaheim is not only not supported by the science and data, it's not supported by any person who has ever worked to keep a family business alive.
TP2000
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I don't know what that means, but I'm now pretty convinced that several folks here have never actually managed a for-profit business or worked for a small family firm that needed to keep the money flowing quarter to quarter to stay alive and pay all the taxes.
The Anaheim Resort District is full of those types of small businesses. I was just talking about the Stovall family the other day here. Their motel business has been destroyed, and dozens of their long-term employees had to be let go. It was heartbreaking for them.
That story plays out again and again behind the boarded up windows of every single abandoned small business in the Anaheim Resort District. Keeping Oregonians out and keeping the motels and restaurants emptier is not only idiotic and arbitrary, it's mean-spirited.
Every closed small business and mom n' pop motel has heartache and a destroyed dream behind the boarded up windows.
George Lucas on a Bench
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They're simply irrelevant in the New Order.
Californian Elitist
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Trust me, I’m concerned about the mom and pop shops as well. But at the same time, I somewhat understand keeping out-of-staters away from the theme parks FOR NOW. Someone last week or so bragged about living in a state without mask mandates and going to WDW several times. No.
It’s been a year. At this point, if a business is hanging by a thread and on the heels of having to shut down, no Oregonian, Ohioan, Floridian, Texan, Alaskan, Hawaiian, or what have you is going to save them. It’s a very unfortunate reality, but a reality no less. I don’t see this lasting for very long. People are getting vaccinated and things seem to be improving a little.
Huddle your California friends and family members together and encourage them to support the businesses as much as they can.
TP2000
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Darkbeer1
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>>Q: Amusement parks are reopening, subject to various conditions, one of which apparently is we can’t scream on a roller coaster. Is that legitimate? We have to ride in silence?
-B.W, Anaheim
A: As of early April, theme parks in California can reopen, subject to various conditions. Face coverings, for example, will be required, there will be possible modifications to seat loading patterns, as well as limitations on capacity (including possibly for in-state visitors only), indoor dining may not be permitted and tickets will have to be purchased in advance online. As to yelling or screaming on a roller coaster, let alone other rides, the rationale is to limit activities that may spread the virus. But, the California Attractions and Parks Association has clarified it did not say shouting or screaming must, in fact, be banned. CAPA earlier released information for industries to take into consideration in an effort to prevent or impede the spread of the virus, which can include limiting activities such as shouting. When the parks reopen, we will find out more about how they will try to safely operate. (I am guessing, but I think shouting on a roller coaster ride may still be ok. We will know soon.)
Q: Who regulates amusement rides here?
-T.B., Long Beach
A: Amusement rides in California are regulated by the Amusement Ride and Tramway Unit, which is part of Cal/Osha. The website is dir.ca.gov/dosh/aroffices. ART oversees various aspects of temporary/portable amusement rides, permanent amusement rides and passenger tramways (ski lifts). The website has a detailed booklet titled “Portable Ride Owner Inspection Guide.”<<
www.ocregister.com
-B.W, Anaheim
A: As of early April, theme parks in California can reopen, subject to various conditions. Face coverings, for example, will be required, there will be possible modifications to seat loading patterns, as well as limitations on capacity (including possibly for in-state visitors only), indoor dining may not be permitted and tickets will have to be purchased in advance online. As to yelling or screaming on a roller coaster, let alone other rides, the rationale is to limit activities that may spread the virus. But, the California Attractions and Parks Association has clarified it did not say shouting or screaming must, in fact, be banned. CAPA earlier released information for industries to take into consideration in an effort to prevent or impede the spread of the virus, which can include limiting activities such as shouting. When the parks reopen, we will find out more about how they will try to safely operate. (I am guessing, but I think shouting on a roller coaster ride may still be ok. We will know soon.)
Q: Who regulates amusement rides here?
-T.B., Long Beach
A: Amusement rides in California are regulated by the Amusement Ride and Tramway Unit, which is part of Cal/Osha. The website is dir.ca.gov/dosh/aroffices. ART oversees various aspects of temporary/portable amusement rides, permanent amusement rides and passenger tramways (ski lifts). The website has a detailed booklet titled “Portable Ride Owner Inspection Guide.”<<
Now we can’t scream on roller coasters? Ask the lawyer
As of early April, theme parks in California can reopen, subject to various conditions.
www.ocregister.com
TP2000
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So... now it's Wednesday. And Orange County just moved down into the Orange Tier suddenly.
The goalposts are moving so fast it's hard to keep up. But here we are suddenly. Orange Tier! Not that anyone in OC actually cares any more, but still. Orange! Orange County! Orange Tier!
Oregonians need not apply.
The goalposts are moving so fast it's hard to keep up. But here we are suddenly. Orange Tier! Not that anyone in OC actually cares any more, but still. Orange! Orange County! Orange Tier!
Oregonians need not apply.
Darkbeer1
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So... now it's Wednesday. And Orange County just moved down into the Orange Tier suddenly.
The goalposts are moving so fast it's hard to keep up. But here we are suddenly. Orange Tier! Not that anyone in OC actually cares any more, but still. Orange! Orange County! Orange Tier!
Oregonians need not apply.
And tomorrow, I head up north to a city that is, per the state, in the Orange Tier, but the local folks in charge want to wait until Easter Monday to go to the Orange Tier.
But still, I will find a place to eat Wednesday night, head to the Hotel, get whatever breakfast they hand out (in San Diego, it was a pre packed bag of a bottle of water, a Hospital Muffin and an Orange. If you want coffee, make it yourself in the room), and head to the a Theme Park that has the most Roller Coasters in the world, and RIDE!!! (While wearing a mask). In fact, TWO days at SFMM, and on the way home, doing Westcoaster at Pacific Park on the Pier!
It will be a wonderful 4 day weekend. (last weekend, I had major side effects from my first Moderna shot, including a fever of 104.6, knocked me down for the weekend, lying in bed asleep or trying to..... And yes, will get the second shot, just planning for some down time in advance. Next week, my wife Lisa will finally find out if she got the J&J shot or a placebo. If she got the placebo, then she gets the shot right away.
Our 33 day adventure to Ohio, Pennsylvania and New Jersey starts June 1st. Looks like 14 parks and a visit to the PTC factory, where they make coaster cars!
So happy, we are in the Orange Tier day! Hopefully by the end of April, we can celebrate Happy Yellow Tier Day! And if the fine folks in Sacramento can figure out what a Green Tier is, maybe that by Memorial Day!!!
ToTBellHop
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My, how much damage this has done to us. This narrative that people from the state next door are somehow dirtier than your immediate neighbors is crazy, especially when those dirty people will still be on CA. They’ll just be in restaurants, malls, and the San Diego Zoo. And while you worry about those heathens, apparently the pure OC citizens have stopped wearing masks.
Anywho...
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yensidtlaw1969
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That's . . . not what's being said.
ToTBellHop
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That’s literally what was implied in the post I quoted. I even bolded it.
yensidtlaw1969
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No, what's implied is that the poster understands bringing people across state lines has the potential to further the spread in damaging ways that aren't worth the risk - yes, the neighbors *may* be "dirtier" and track mud into YOUR house, but the neighbors also may well be cleaner, and if they come to your house and get sick they're bringing it back to everyone else. We can't know which, so right now it makes sense to discourage inter-state travel where possible. There certainly are people who would be traveling to California just to visit Disneyland who now won't be because they can't get in until things improve.
I read both your post and theirs before responding, and it's not like Raven's post was some manifesto on disparaging thy neighbor.
ToTBellHop
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Her post disparages people from states without mask mandates while posters here report those in the OC barely wear masks, too. It is either safe enough to reopen the parks with current masking levels or it isn’t. And having a rule just for theme parks while hundreds of flights come into CA daily is, again, arbitrary. If it is actually dangerous, close the airports and barricade highway entrances.
Thank goodness the vaccines protect you against unmasked Texans as well as those from the OC (perhaps even a bit better since CA has its own “variant of concern.”).
yensidtlaw1969
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ToTBellHop
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Indeed, a blanket “No.” to people coming from a state with a Governor who made a questionable decision is disparaging. Shall we say “no one from red states” or will we avoid saying the quiet part out loud?