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Disneyland New "Flex" Annual Pass

Disney Irish Bruh

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You can ride segways at the WDW parks?
Used to be able to until Disney banned them for being unsafe. There was even an attempt at a lawsuit to try and force Disney to allow them back because someone claimed them to be a Disability Vehicle (EVC).
 

flynnibus

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Is it really out of control though? $1149 I paid for my pass in October.

I will have gone by the time it’s over 8 days in Oct, 5 days in Dec, 6 days in Feb, 3 days in June, 6 in July and 5 in Oct again. 33 total days which works out to $34 a day. Am I willing to pay $34 a day for a park hopper, you bet. Therefore I don’t view the costs as out of control.
Ok, but now imagine you've grown up and are paying for a family of 5. No, not everyone will go every visit.. but you can't leave a child out either. That's $6k just for one form of entertainment.

I don’t think it would, Disney is a premium product and theme parks still cost much less then other forms of live entertainment (Sporting event tickets, ski lift tickets, Broadway Shows, concerts) I fully expect prices to continue to rise. I think a whole lot less people would own passes but I don’t see why they would cost less. You’re still looking at recouping the cost of your pass in under 15 visits (based on a one day ticket.)
15 visits.. the list of things I manage to repeat 15+ times in a year is short... sleep, eat, poop... etc
 

Touchdown

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Ok, but now imagine you've grown up and are paying for a family of 5. No, not everyone will go every visit.. but you can't leave a child out either. That's $6k just for one form of entertainment.



15 visits.. the list of things I manage to repeat 15+ times in a year is short... sleep, eat, poop... etc
I am grown up I just happen to be single, and the price increase is true for every form of entertainment. That’s why you rarely see families at concerts or sporting events.

Most families can only afford one big trip a year (weather it’s to Disney or somewhere else) annual passes aren’t for them, local families can buy lower passes. Not to mention, kids go to school and only have so much time off. I realize I’m in a unique position given I have the means to afford to travel a lot and the time (my job is 7 12 hour shifts then 7 days off, with vacation I get 28 weeks a year off.). However I was pointing out my position to show that even at this price point APs still make sense to some people. Disney is working on finding the perfect price point to make the most money with the fewest costs and stable attendance across the calendar year. Right now they have too many APs, too many people in the park on weekends, holidays and summer so the prices for APs are going up and they are trying to entice a large segment of APs to switch to the Flex pass.
 

flynnibus

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I am grown up I just happen to be single, and the price increase is true for every form of entertainment. That’s why you rarely see families at concerts or sporting events.
No, you just don't see full families going to 15 concerts or sporting events. And BTW... my NFL season tickets cost close to the Disney Sig AP... but I can also sell my tickets when I don't want to go or diffuse my costs :) I also don't have season tickets for the whole family.. but I can pick and chose who goes when.

We are also planning on two concerts already this summer.. with similar price points to a DL ticket.. but again, the difference is in the frequency.

In most other upsell to pre-paid plans... the break even point is usually 3-4 times. Regional parks try to get you at about 2.5-3x gate cost.

However I was pointing out my position to show that even at this price point APs still make sense to some people
I think you were just saying how it works for YOU.. and not quite capturing how your world isn't exactly typical.
 

Touchdown

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I’m trying to say there must be still a bunch of people out there for which this pass still works. NFL season passes are only for 8 games (10 if you include pre season) a Signature Plus pass is good for 365 days. Go more then 8 times to Disney and your price per day drops to less then the NFL tickets.

My problem is that you are widening your view to everyone, which is wrong.

Also Disney is leagues better then regional parks.
 

flynnibus

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My problem is that you are widening your view to everyone, which is wrong.

Also Disney is leagues better then regional parks.
I'm embracing more than a single type of demographic... the mobile, disposible income, unmarried type. Which is not the majority... especially for Disney.

The point was not to say regional parks are better or worse.. but to illustrate an example of typical upsell to 'all you can eat' pricing. Look around.. you'll find that 3-4x tipping point is quite common.
 

DanielBB8

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This is why public transportation is risky.

“Harrowing footage has been released by police showing a 74-year-old man being shoved off a bus so hard he eventually died.

Serge Fournier was reportedly telling a fellow passenger on the bus to be politer to others when he was pushed by a woman, landing head first on the pavement.

The woman, Cadesha Michelle Bishop, is facing a murder charge for the fatal shove on March 21 this year in Las Vegas.

On April 23 his death was ruled as a homicide by the county coroner.”

 

truecoat

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This is why public transportation is risky.

“Harrowing footage has been released by police showing a 74-year-old man being shoved off a bus so hard he eventually died.

Serge Fournier was reportedly telling a fellow passenger on the bus to be politer to others when he was pushed by a woman, landing head first on the pavement.

The woman, Cadesha Michelle Bishop, is facing a murder charge for the fatal shove on March 21 this year in Las Vegas.

On April 23 his death was ruled as a homicide by the county coroner.”

This is why little league games are risky.

https://abc7news.com/man-killed-after-car-tears-across-field-during-kids-game-in-maine/3553207/
 

nesboy43

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This is why public transportation is risky.

“Harrowing footage has been released by police showing a 74-year-old man being shoved off a bus so hard he eventually died.

Serge Fournier was reportedly telling a fellow passenger on the bus to be politer to others when he was pushed by a woman, landing head first on the pavement.

The woman, Cadesha Michelle Bishop, is facing a murder charge for the fatal shove on March 21 this year in Las Vegas.

On April 23 his death was ruled as a homicide by the county coroner.”

Lets not forget that it was only a year ago when Anaheim cleared out a lot of homeless from their biggest encampment and provided them with a hotel room, doctor visits, therapist visits, and training for jobs for a month. 90% of them abandoned the program before the month was up and went back to the streets.

Lets also not forget that Anaheim has syringe needle drop offs due to the amount that were left at public parks. I'm sorry but I do not want to take public transportation in Anaheim. There are nice areas to Anaheim but there are also problem areas and it is not worth the risk.
 

Ismael Flores

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is it limited for two days in 30 or is it two open reservation in 30?
so for example. you make a reservation for the next two saturdays. that fills up your two open reservations. then the first saturday arrives and you visit, that opens up one reservation of the two so can you make a new reservation on Sunday for the next saturday if space is still available ?

at any given time you only have two reservations open but can in theory you can go every saturday if there are still open spots.

ok yes i am going to quote myself :)

seems like i might have found some answers in regards to my own previous question. This information comes from coworker that has a sister working ticketing. He asked her because he was considering changing when his pass expires in July

1) The flex pass is limited to two Open reservations per a 30 day window but it is not limited to going only two reservation days per the 30 day window. In other words you can make both reservations and as soon as the first one comes open you can make another one. In theory if reservation openings are available you can go multiple times to the parks on a reservation day per the 30 day window.

or for example you can make a friday and saturday reservation when needed and as soon as your Friday reservation is used you can go online and make a reservation for Dunsay of the same weekend if there are still reservations open for either of the park or for park hopping.

2) something else i learned was that certain people might be able to get parking added to their pass for a fix yearly price. It will depend on your annual pass history. for example some people at some point had deluxe with parking added. some of those people still do and can change to flex and be able to keep the parking option since they would be grandfathered in. Also some people used to have deluxe passes with parking and at some point upgrade to signature. supposedly those passes are still grandfathered in and might be able to switch to flex and also keep parking option.

Seems like they might actually like people to consider this flex pass if that is the case even if it means loosing some signature holders that pay more. It might be better for internal crowd control since they will have more control of when those annual passholders go especially during reservation dates compared to just showing up whenever with the signature pass.

what will be good to know and i didn't find out is whether the parking option would be allowed for those that started off their annual passes as signature
 

mickEblu

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ok yes i am going to quote myself :)

seems like i might have found some answers in regards to my own previous question. This information comes from coworker that has a sister working ticketing. He asked her because he was considering changing when his pass expires in July

1) The flex pass is limited to two Open reservations per a 30 day window but it is not limited to going only two reservation days per the 30 day window. In other words you can make both reservations and as soon as the first one comes open you can make another one. In theory if reservation openings are available you can go multiple times to the parks on a reservation day per the 30 day window.

or for example you can make a friday and saturday reservation when needed and as soon as your Friday reservation is used you can go online and make a reservation for Dunsay of the same weekend if there are still reservations open for either of the park or for park hopping.

2) something else i learned was that certain people might be able to get parking added to their pass for a fix yearly price. It will depend on your annual pass history. for example some people at some point had deluxe with parking added. some of those people still do and can change to flex and be able to keep the parking option since they would be grandfathered in. Also some people used to have deluxe passes with parking and at some point upgrade to signature. supposedly those passes are still grandfathered in and might be able to switch to flex and also keep parking option.

Seems like they might actually like people to consider this flex pass if that is the case even if it means loosing some signature holders that pay more. It might be better for internal crowd control since they will have more control of when those annual passholders go especially during reservation dates compared to just showing up whenever with the signature pass.

what will be good to know and i didn't find out is whether the parking option would be allowed for those that started off their annual passes as signature
Thanks for the info. Do you think they ll let someone who had a Signature but downgraded to So Cal Select and then back up to flex add a parking pass?
 

mickEblu

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Thanks for the info. Do you think they ll let someone who had a Signature but downgraded to So Cal Select and then back up to flex add a parking pass?
Now I’m going to quote myself. The answer is no. I just called. To provide a little context, CM that answered was very short, seemed quite bored, monotone and unhappy with her job but said that only Sig and Sig+ have parking. She kind of sounded like she was on auto reply as I was asking questions so maybe she doesn’t care or know about the updates. The guy who transferred me to her in Member Services who was older and sounded like he was reading off a script said you could add a parking pass for $250.

If they want to get people to move to Flex I think you re right and they may allow Deluxes or Southern California passes to keep their grandfathered parking.
 

Ismael Flores

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Thanks for the info. Do you think they ll let someone who had a Signature but downgraded to So Cal Select and then back up to flex add a parking pass?
from what i understood at this point if you are one of those that had the parking option prior to them removing it and you have continuously been an annual passholder then you are grandfathered in then the parking option can be carried over. Might have to ask the Castmember and then they can look at your pass history and determine if you are able to keep it.

My co-worker annual pass history is as follows.

1) so cal pass
2) upgraded to deluxe and got the parking option when it was still an option.
3) upgraded to signature select when that came available.

according to his sister since he at one point had the deluxe pass and was paying for the parking option during the time parking option was removed he automatically got grandfathered in to be able to continue adding parking.
since he upgraded up to signature and not down his passes continuously maintain a parking option which was now included with his signature pass.
now going back to flex he is still eligible because of his previous pass history and grandfather clause.

seems a bit complicated and makes me wonder if most CM's would look into that. He also said that his sister advised him that if he does change to do it at the ticket window with an actual CM because the change online would not look at his history and would automatically remove him from the clause once the change is over.

will be interesting to see if this information is actually what happens once the passes go on sell Monday. Disney should recognize annual passholders history compared to new buyers but sometimes it doesn't work that way.
 
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