News Disneyland modifies mask policy - UPDATE 7/28/21

[Stevek]

"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers." - Thomas Jefferson

Condescending much?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I agree, those who have been vaccinated, worn their masks, and have complied with the lockdowns should not be punished. Yet, here we are. But let me ask you something, why do you not want the unvaccinated out and about? Do you not trust the vaccine to keep you safe? The science says the vaccine works. Do you not trust the science?

Because the numbers of unvaccinated people are such that hospitals are filling up again, which leads to the postponement of surgeries and other treatments for people who don't have covid. It also leads to difficulty treating people who experience other emergencies.

The longer and more often we let the virus keep infecting large numbers of people, the more likely it is to mutate to a point where it can evade the vaccines.

There are still millions of children who can't be vaccinated. (I'm not willing to chance unknown long-term effects for my 10-year-old...he's chomping at the bit for his turn.)

It's not that I want ALL unvaccinated people to stay home - only those CHOOSING to be unvaccinated. Because there's huge overlap between them and those who are anti-mask. And these are the people who have been causing problems since the beginning.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

No they're not.
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That's not how mutations work, that's how natural herd immunity works.

Mutations are a result of a virus changing in order to overcome the obstacle of immunity, whether acquired through a vaccine or by having previously contracted the virus prior. If everybody were to contract the virus at the same time, however, it would allow for a simultaneous immunity in the population, preventing the virus from further spreading or mutating. By drawing out the process, that allows time for the virus to grow and adapt.

There is no scientific evidence of Covid-19 posing a real danger to children. Any attempt at claiming such is a conspiracy theory as valid as those who believe the vaccine has long term side effects.

How do you discern the difference? Furthermore, is it just to imprison a people for their reluctance to surrender their right to their body? You may say that they can spread the virus if they are unvaccinated and thus are a risk to more than just themselves, very well, but they are only a risk to those who are likewise unvaccinated and have accepted the risk. If you are vaccinated, you are not at risk (unless you deny the science and don't trust the vaccines). The only risk, then, becomes overwhelmed hospitals, which we see is not occurring.

Yeah...you're one of those. You're not even reading information you're posting - look at the hospital occupancy rates.

Buh bye.

 

[Supreme Leader]

People choosing not to wear masks and get vaccinated can pound sand and stay home.

Or I guess just die.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Or I guess just die.

Sounds like it’ll be a super spreader funeral…

 

[SoCalDisneyLover]

Or I guess just die.

There will be a # of Under 12 year olds who die, and they're unable to get vaccinated yet. Regardless of how low that percentage is, they are still human lives that will be lost, through no fault of their own. More blood on the hands of the irresponsible, not that it will matter to them.

 

[the_rich]

It's too bad we can't return to the world before Covid when no child ever died.

What an ignorant statement. If a death can be prevented easily, which it can in this case, then it should be.

 

[the_rich]

Last I checked, children get not get vaccines, therefore the deaths cannot be easily prevented.

Yes they can if the adults around them are responsible and get their vaccinations.

 

[Supreme Leader]

There will be a # of Under 12 year olds who die, and they're unable to get vaccinated yet. Regardless of how low that percentage is, they are still human lives that will be lost, through no fault of their own. More blood on the hands of the irresponsible, not that it will matter to them.

Right. I totally forgot that people under 16 can't get vaccinated yet.

 

[iLikeMountains]

The CDC just did more to increase anti-vax sentiment than anything else in this country. You have a huge % of the country that is on the fence about getting the vaccine that can still be persuaded. Whether it's the eventual FDA approval to push them over the edge, the continual promise of getting back to normal and no more masks, or pointing to the percentage of people who are dying from the Delta variant that are unvaccinated (something like 99.2%). Once again you have the CDC kowtowing to the mainstream liberal media and completely undermining what they were saying just a few months ago about the efficacy of the vaccines and how masking is completely unnecessary for the vaccinated. Now all my unvaccinated peers are saying... Why bother, I'll still have to wear a mask... So frustrating.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

The CDC just did more to increase anti-vax sentiment than anything else in this country. You have a huge % of the country that is on the fence about getting the vaccine that can still be persuaded. Whether it's the eventual FDA approval to push them over the edge, the continual promise of getting back to normal and no more masks, or pointing to the percentage of people who are dying from the Delta variant that are unvaccinated (something like 99.2%). Once again you have the CDC kowtowing to the mainstream liberal media and completely undermining what they were saying just a few months ago about the efficacy of the vaccines and how masking is completely unnecessary for the vaccinated. Now all my unvaccinated peers are saying... Why bother, I'll still have to wear a mask... So frustrating.

A large number of the unvaccinated will use literally ANY excuse to not get the shot.

 

[el_super]

The CDC just did more to increase anti-vax sentiment than anything else in this country. You have a huge % of the country that is on the fence about getting the vaccine that can still be persuaded.

I think we're past persuasion. This thing will never end unless people stand up and demand it. If that means demanding employers make vaccinataion mandatory, or even laws requiring vaccination, so be it.

 

[iLikeMountains]

I think we're past persuasion. This thing will never end unless people stand up and demand it. If that means demanding employers make vaccinataion mandatory, or even laws requiring vaccination, so be it.

I disagree. The largest divide between vax and non-vax is class. Lower income and educated communities are among the highest percentages of non-vaccinated. This is the same class of people who have the highest mistrust of institutions in this country. Force will have the exact opposite outcome in my opinion and further divide us.

 

[el_super]

Force will have the exact opposite outcome in my opinion and further divide us.

We force people to wear a shirt at 7-11 and to wash their hands when cooking food... some things are worth forcing.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I disagree. The largest divide between vax and non-vax is class. Lower income and educated communities are among the highest percentages of non-vaccinated. This is the same class of people who have the highest mistrust of institutions in this country. Force will have the exact opposite outcome in my opinion and further divide us.

Disagree. They've polled the unvaccinated, and the results were not shocking to many of us, but may be shocking to others. I can't post a link because I'll risk getting banned from the thread.

 

[el_super]

Also just so this isn't all doom and gloom, whether the misinformation is finally giving way, or people are seeing the effects first hand, vaccinations in the state are going up:

The speed of new COVID-19 vaccinations is increasing in nearly every part of California, and some of the biggest boosts are coming in counties with low cumulative vaccination rates or where the delta variant’s recent surge has hit hardest.​

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First-dose vaccinations for the seven days ending Monday were up 21% statewide compared to the previous week, a Sacramento Bee review of California Department of Public Health data found, continuing a trend that started around the time health officials began giving dire warnings about the highly contagious delta variant.​

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And the pace has increased faster than that average in all five counties with the highest recent case rates, as well as in four of the five counties with the lowest proportions of their populations at least partially vaccinated.​

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https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavirus/article253112048.html

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[Wendy Pleakley]

The CDC just did more to increase anti-vax sentiment than anything else in this country. You have a huge % of the country that is on the fence about getting the vaccine that can still be persuaded. Whether it's the eventual FDA approval to push them over the edge, the continual promise of getting back to normal and no more masks, or pointing to the percentage of people who are dying from the Delta variant that are unvaccinated (something like 99.2%). Once again you have the CDC kowtowing to the mainstream liberal media and completely undermining what they were saying just a few months ago about the efficacy of the vaccines and how masking is completely unnecessary for the vaccinated. Now all my unvaccinated peers are saying... Why bother, I'll still have to wear a mask... So frustrating.

How is this still confusing?

Vaccines are effective against COVID. No one, not the CDC, is saying otherwise.

If people followed the rules, to wear a mask if not vaccinated, we wouldn't be in this position where masks have to be mandated for all.

Vaccines work, unfortunately it's a group effort to get to something closer to herd immunity. Your unvaccinated peers fail to understand that they are the problem, that they are the reason for continued mask mandates, and that the CDC is correct.

It's a bizarre lack of logic:

"If you get vaccinated, we won't need masks"

"I'm not getting vaccinated"

"Then we still need masks"

"Vaccines are pointless and the CDC is lying"

I can't even any more with the stupidity.

 

[iLikeMountains]

We force people to wear a shirt at 7-11 and to wash their hands when cooking food... some things are worth forcing.

And you would get some that comply. But the 7-11, Taco Bell and Walmart in my town are desperately looking for employees. Not sure company mandated vaccines is going to help there. These companies probably won't be too confident on how this will effect their bottom dollar either after you off 40% of the public who are unvaccinated.

You can't legally mandate a non-FDA approved vaccine at the federal level anyways. And let's say it is approved tomorrow, I don't think the Biden administration has any interest in doing so. Not with midterms on the horizon and a downward trending approval rating (still decent, but trending downward.) Also, individual rights are bred into this country. Rational or not, everyone has a right to not take the vaccine. I believe maintaining those rights is more important at this point, especially when we have this incredible vaccine available to anyone for free.

 

[el_super]

And you would get some that comply. But the 7-11, Taco Bell and Walmart in my town are desperately looking for employees.

That wasn't really the point. The point was that we force people to engage in certain behavior that we believe is beneficial to all of society. That's why public health laws exist. It isn't outrageous to force people to get the vaccine in order to protect all of society.

Rational or not, everyone has a right to not take the vaccine.

I don't remember that being in the constitution.

 

[iLikeMountains]

How is this still confusing?

Vaccines are effective against COVID. No one, not the CDC, is saying otherwise.

If people followed the rules, to wear a mask if not vaccinated, we wouldn't be in this position where masks have to be mandated for all.

Vaccines work, unfortunately it's a group effort to get to something closer to herd immunity. Your unvaccinated peers fail to understand that they are the problem, that they are the reason for continued mask mandates, and that the CDC is correct.

It's a bizarre lack of logic:

"If you get vaccinated, we won't need masks"

"I'm not getting vaccinated"

"Then we still need masks"

"Vaccines are pointless and the CDC is lying"

I can't even any more with the stupidity.

I'm not confused... Maybe you misinterpreted my rant. My frustration with the CDC backtracking is the message it sends concerning the efficacy of the vaccine. Basically get the vaccine, you're not going to die and you can take the mask off. You had the CDC director on national television saying "the science" has proven these vaccines work, they're proving it in the real world. You're completely safe to take your mask off if you are vaccinated. Now the CDC loses credibility to many once again by running it back.

As for my peers, most have had the "wait and see" mentality. Others have a major mistrust of big pharma, others are so deep in there social media echo chambers that you will never convince them. I have sympathy for them and will continue to try to convince them to get the vaccine, but I'll never hate or blame them either.