DrAlice
Well-Known Member
MiceChat is reporting that some cast members were taken to the hospital for smoke inhalation.
-
Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.
Disneyland Fantasmic Dragon Engulfed in Flames
- Thread starter SplashJacket
- Start date
Disney Analyst
Well-Known Member
I don’t think it will be that long. I assume it comes back in a few weeks, b-mode engaged.
Does a B-mode exist without "Murphy"? I mean, he doesnt need to breathe fire or even move at all. He just needs to rise up and be "present" for Mickey to make his big ending.
With no dragon at all? What would the show use to make that finaly? "Maybe" they roll out the "cherry picker" design with a molded head and cloth wings?
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in Mondays executive meetings about this.
Last edited:
I've been to F! at DHS. I do not recall emergency exits being discussed by cast to guests before the F! performance. I'm thinking if there was an incident then moving forward verbal instructions to find emergency exits would be discussed pre show.
Last edited:
Brian
Well-Known Member
CMs will usher guests to the closest emergency exit in the unlikely event of an accelerated exit becoming necessary.
gerarar
Premium Member
Why would it need to be discussed at each show? There's usually a CM or two at each emergency exit and they are clearly marked and illustrated. So if there is an emergency, directions can be given out and where to evacuate.
SaucyBoy
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- No
The B-mode without the dragon just sees Maleficent stay "levitating" on the stage. See below for a pic at WDW, I'm sure it's similar at DL
Brian
Well-Known Member
Yes, here's a video from WDW's version with B mode. They just utilize the face character a little more, plus projections.
Video starts at the scene.
Improvements on safety and safety spiel made after incidents happen. That's life.
Very quickly into the fire the jaw fell down several feet, suggesting something snapped, the hydraulics failed, or a change in pressure from the hydraulic fluid (bursting or otherwise) caused the movement.
All the hydraulics and pipes would need replacing, but even the full metal structure might be unsalvageable, a fire that concentrated can warp or diminish the strength of the steel.
It’s probably not worth the hassle and just better to make another dragon ground-up.
The show is surrounded by water. How much would it have cost Disney to install 4 or 5 jet pumps in the water with nozzels pointed right at the dragon? Flick an emergecy switch and the stage is blasted with an unlimited supply of water.
That would have been a VERY cheap solutuon that would have stopped this in seconds...and probably would have saved Murphy.
That would have been a VERY cheap solutuon that would have stopped this in seconds...and probably would have saved Murphy.
flynnibus
Premium Member
I'm not suprised about on the figure itself... but what I am surprised at is there was no larger scale fire fighting response built into their Operating model given the amount of pyrotechnics built into this show.
The island is of course access limited, but with so much pyro effects you'd think they'd have a plan in place to fight fires. Obviously not
Guess they relied so much on their thoughts of emergency cutoffs they never thought to address a breakout fire :/They seemed slow to stop the show too.. clearly the apparatus in the head failed and the head was engulfed for awhile before the show fully stopped.
That’s easy to say in hindsight.
You could prevent out greatly limit almost any disaster in hindsight, but even if you tried to account for everything and tripled every budget, stuff would still go wrong occasionally.
Extra money and effort was spent to increase the safety and resilience of the Titanic, yet it still sunk, and many lessons were still learned. Every time something like this happens (not comparing a Disney dragon burning to the Titanic) you learn how not to do something, or something else you should’ve done.
The last U.S. aviation crash was in 2009, which is a great accomplishment, but it’s because we had decades of learning what not to do and how to fix them, so the industry became safer.
Flying today is hundreds of times safer than it was 50 years ago, so if you applied the crash rates of planes 50 years ago now to today’s flight volumes, you would have about a crash a week (with hundreds of people onboard).
This doesn’t excuse when stuff goes wrong, when there’s negligence at play, people should be held accountable, but malfunctions or failures go wrong that weren’t accounted for.
Last edited:
gerarar
Premium Member
The B-mode without the dragon just sees Maleficent stay "levitating" on the stage. See below for a pic at WDW, I'm sure it's similar at DL
This is no longer the B-mode at DL, at least with F! 2.0. It still is at WDW like y'all noted.
It's now all projections with Mickey shooting his pyro hands at said-dragon projection (kinda lame imo).
They can always revert to the Malificient on the lift as a B-mode, but not sure how much work it would be to reprogram that segment of the show.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Safety plans - including fire response... is not 'hindsight'
Their fire response that night was a guy with a hand held fire extinguisher -- that's not acceptable.
Brian
Well-Known Member
Finally. A villain that isn't killed off by falling to their death!
flynnibus
Premium Member
My guess is this is the end of live fire effects in domestic parks anywhere near an audience, stage, or performers.
There is going to be serious scrutiny over the way this failure was not contained and the on the back of the previous parade failure you're going to see a huge barrier to beat... saying "why should we even risk it?"
F! is likely to see the show rescripted too - the only question would be is if they look to b-mode salvage the stage to run through the summer peak season.
There is going to be serious scrutiny over the way this failure was not contained and the on the back of the previous parade failure you're going to see a huge barrier to beat... saying "why should we even risk it?"
F! is likely to see the show rescripted too - the only question would be is if they look to b-mode salvage the stage to run through the summer peak season.