Disneyland 3rd park Discussion

fctiger

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I seriously doubt it! And yes if so we are talking decades away.

And look at all the headaches they had just to add a freaking parking structure across harbor. They had to cancel that due to all the logistical and political headaches. Imagine the day when they want to open a DCA size park a few blocks away somewhere? Good luck.

And I think a lot of the two gate parks are not in a rush to add another one because they all have the issue with space and maintaining their other two parks. TDR was suppose to announce a third theme park a year ago. But they got so bogged down in trying to figure out where they can put it and make it all cohesive to the resort they finally gave up that idea and just decided to add multiple lands and a new five star hotel in TDS; which my guess would've gone into the third park.

DLPR has room for a third gate and contracted to make one by 2030 the latest. But considering the issues that place still has including WDSP (which was only built because it was contracted to do so) I suspect you will either see that pushed back or cancelled too.

Thats also why people hollering you should just put Star Wars and Marvel in this elusive third gate proves why fans can never be executives. Because on the internet anything is simple enough if you just type it in a post. Sure let Disney come up with a way to build a third park in an urban nightmare as they are still trying to convince people DCA is worth paying full price for while drinking rainbows and sitting on a unicorn to see this mystical park appear before Avengers 15 gets here. Some people mistake theme park magic for real magic I guess.
 
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Disney Irish

Premium Member
Oof, someone on there said "I have my doubts Anaheim will get a 3rd gate until DCA's attendance actually starts to match DLR's... and who knows if that will ever happen. "

So when DCA's attendance matches the entire Disneyland Resort's- we're getting a third gate!

Its written on the Interwebs so it must be true!
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I seriously doubt it! And yes if so we are talking decades away.

And look at all the headaches they had just to add a freaking parking structure across harbor. They had to cancel that due to all the logistical and political headaches. Imagine the day when they want to open a DCA size park a few blocks away somewhere? Good luck.

And I think a lot of the two gate parks are not in a rush to add another one because they all have the issue with space and maintaining their other two parks. TDR was suppose to announce a third theme park a year ago. But they got so bogged down in trying to figure out where they can put it and make it all cohesive to the resort they finally gave up that idea and just decided to add multiple lands and a new five star hotel in TDS; which my guess would've gone into the third park.

DLPR has room for a third gate and contracted to make one by 2030 the latest. But considering the issues that place still has including WDSP (which was only built because it was contracted to do so) I suspect you will either see that pushed back or cancelled too.

Thats also why people hollering you should just put Star Wars and Marvel in this elusive third gate proves why fans can never be executives. Because on the internet anything is simple enough if you just type it in a post. Sure let Disney come up with a way to build a third park in an urban nightmare as they are still trying to convince people DCA is worth paying full price for while drinking rainbows and sitting on a unicorn to see this mystical park appear before Avengers 15 gets here. Some people mistake theme park magic for real magic I guess.

Couldn't agree more, while its fun to discuss I would say that 95-99% of the fandom (myself included) couldn't actually make the realistic real world business decisions that go into running a multi-national conglomerate like TWDC let alone just run the P&R. We live in a constantly changing world with ever changing consumer trends in a highly political country. Its takes very skilled and very business savvy individuals to run a company like TWDC. So while the fandom take pot shots at the executive teams like Chapek and Iger, put in the same position most of us would fail and likely bring the company down with us.
 

Stevek

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I certainly think it will happen at some point but probably a loooong way off. They have the land, the demand is there and if done correctly (i.e. not another DCA) it will be successful. It's really just a matter of wanting to invest the capital AND the relationship with the city. Many start have to align to get it off the ground.
 

PB Watermelon

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Screw the City of Anaheim. They wouldn't even have the tax base they enjoy today if not for Disney.

Forget them. Disneyland Texas. People complain about rising prices -- basic economics will tell you that limited supply of a product with ever-increasing demand from a growing population means prices rise according to supply and demand. Want to take the pressure off prices? Increase supply. Put a new Disneyland in Texas -- tons of land, very friendly to business, good weather (at least in Central Texas) -- free to imagineer their guts out.
 

DanielBB8

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Forget about fixing rising prices. Disney is not about giving anything away without extracting a high price. What will convince Disney to build a 3rd park is all about economics. Building it cheap and selling it high. Iger might say Star Wars Land costs $1 Billion to build, but I’m skeptical. It could be valued at $1 Billion if appraised, but I’m sure it could be built for a lot less. Otherwise, how can they profit? A 3rd park can’t be built without city subsidies or tax abatements. Anaheim voters ensured nothing will be built for a long time.
 

PB Watermelon

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Forget about fixing rising prices. Disney is not about giving anything away without extracting a high price. What will convince Disney to build a 3rd park is all about economics. Building it cheap and selling it high. Iger might say Star Wars Land costs $1 Billion to build, but I’m skeptical. It could be valued at $1 Billion if appraised, but I’m sure it could be built for a lot less. Otherwise, how can they profit? A 3rd park can’t be built without city subsidies or tax abatements. Anaheim voters ensured nothing will be built for a long time.

You'd need a city south of Austin and north of Houston that's...

a) Not in a flood plain
b) Doesn't have issues historically with wildfires
c) Or Tornadoes
d) Or Hurricanes
e) Or Snow and Ice
e) Not in Austin or anywhere else in Travis County
e) Willing to spend themselves blind on a new airport, infrastructure, and tax incentives
 

BasiltheBatLord

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I am convinced a third resort is never coming to the U.S. As much as I would love a Disney park in Texas I just don't think there is a need for more than 2 full-scale resorts in the U.S. Prices are always increasing yes, but so far I'm not sure if there's any evidence that that has cut into revenue in any significant way... The existing parks are as popular as ever.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Screw the City of Anaheim. They wouldn't even have the tax base they enjoy today if not for Disney.

Forget them. Disneyland Texas. People complain about rising prices -- basic economics will tell you that limited supply of a product with ever-increasing demand from a growing population means prices rise according to supply and demand. Want to take the pressure off prices? Increase supply. Put a new Disneyland in Texas -- tons of land, very friendly to business, good weather (at least in Central Texas) -- free to imagineer their guts out.

This is Disney, if it were ever to create a 3rd resort in the US, even in TX, it would still cost the same as in either CA or FL. So no "Disneyland Over Texas" wouldn't take pressure off of prices.

However lets be realistic, Disney is never likely to build anywhere else in the US besides CA and FL. And I assume you keep bringing up TX because you live in TX. :hilarious:
 

The Mur

Well-Known Member
One of the big drawbacks to a 3rd gate in Anaheim is distance from the other parks. People love how easy it is to park hop. That would not exist with the 3rd gate. It would require a walk or a shuttle or a monorail ride (which would never be put in and many would whine about incessantly) so it would be a big deterrent.

A 3rd park requires not only all the attractions but the infastructure as well. DL and DCA have infastructure even if it requires upgrades to expand.

I was just at the park with a friend who is a construction project manager. He said the billion dollar price tag (if not more) is absolutely realistic.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
One of the big drawbacks to a 3rd gate in Anaheim is distance from the other parks. People love how easy it is to park hop. That would not exist with the 3rd gate. It would require a walk or a shuttle or a monorail ride (which would never be put in and many would whine about incessantly) so it would be a big deterrent.

A 3rd park requires not only all the attractions but the infastructure as well. DL and DCA have infastructure even if it requires upgrades to expand.

I was just at the park with a friend who is a construction project manager. He said the billion dollar price tag (if not more) is absolutely realistic.
It will be interesting to see how Universal Orlando Resort handles having an “off site” park.

Even $1 billion is not enough for a new Disney park.
 

Disneylover152

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Even $1 billion is not enough for a new Disney park.

Let's not forget that the DCA overhaul was only $1.1 billion, and that really didn't include that much infrastructure, only TSM, TLM, Carthay Circle, and Cars Land. Everything else was a overlay to existing structures. Not to mention how Galaxy's Edge is costing, from what I heard, around $1 billion.
 

PB Watermelon

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This is Disney, if it were ever to create a 3rd resort in the US, even in TX, it would still cost the same as in either CA or FL. So no "Disneyland Over Texas" wouldn't take pressure off of prices.

However lets be realistic, Disney is never likely to build anywhere else in the US besides CA and FL. And I assume you keep bringing up TX because you live in TX. :hilarious:

No, it's the only other location in the United States that makes any sense. God forbid they open Disneyland Las Vegas.
 

Disneylover152

Well-Known Member
Disney needs to figure out what they are doing with the current U.S. parks before they move into new US resorts.

I would like to see Disney Springs or Downtown Disney entertainment areas around the country. A Disney-fied mall around the country, and they can add a hotel and character experiences. Sort of giving more Disney experiences around the country but not needing to go as far as building new parks. They can be put in major cities like Philadelphia, DC, Boston, NY, Seattle, Chicago, etc.
 

TheIndoorKid

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Disney needs to figure out what they are doing with the current U.S. parks before they move into new US resorts.

I would like to see Disney Springs or Downtown Disney entertainment areas around the country. A Disney-fied mall around the country, and they can add a hotel and character experiences. Sort of giving more Disney experiences around the country but not needing to go as far as building new parks. They can be put in major cities like Philadelphia, DC, Boston, NY, Seattle, Chicago, etc.

They'd make for a decent future Defunctland episode, at the very least
 

TwilightZone

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