Disney workers robbed leaving work at the cast member parking lot at MK

[cw1982]

While I don't think that Disney necessarily has a liability here, it would be smart from a PR standpoint for them to do what they can to make their CM's feel a little more secure at this point. Maybe increased lighting in the parking lot and a small bump in increased security around that lot would do the trick. Many times, employees can tolerate a lot more, even suffering lower wages than they would like, if they feel like their company cares about them.

While the robberies were definitely not the fault of the victim, the sad truth is that, in this day and age, if you look like a victim, your odds of becoming one increase. My husband works with law enforcement (not a cop, but he does work very closely with them), and I constantly end up going to women's self defense courses as the local PD's sponsor them, just as much as a PR move for his company as anything else... but my point in mentioning those is that they always talk about ways to look less like a victim to decrease one's odds of being attacked. Perhaps, if this kind of thing continues, Disney could look at sponsoring a day when local PD's could run similar classes for CM's. As @BigTxEars said, that may be a bit premature at this point, since the reaction from media indicates that this does not happen often, if ever, on Disney property.

It's sad that we live in a day and age where people are encouraged to be paranoid on one hand and still told to live their lives without worrying on the other... those two things are often incongruous and confusing when placed together. Finding the right balance can be tough, and that's true of everywhere, from downtown Atlanta to the highest end vacation resort, and everywhere in between.

 

[unkadug]

What does "simple works wonder" mean?

Occam's razor

 

[BigTxEars]

Occam's razor

Ah back to the simplistic way of looking at others opinions I see. That's fine, I guess I am guilty of it as well at times.

Let's just hope at this point the scumbags thieves at this point get their just due in this case.

 

[rob0519]

HI Grumpy!!! It's called humor. Let me explain how it works, people say or try to say funny things about a situation that isn't funny. It happens all the time. We all know robbery is bad but no one got hurt so we can make the ha-ha!!

Hi ######, I won't stoop to calling you a name. Let me explain how it works. Humor is relative. What may be funny to you, may not be funny to others based on personal experience. It's obvious you, nor your family have ever been the victim of a crime at gunpoint or you wouldn't be making such outlandish statements. It is not something I would wish on anyone. Just because no one was shot, doesn't mean there will not be short or long lasting emotional damage to the victim. So, god forbid it happens, and you, your wife, daughter, son, other family member is robbed with a gun pointed at their head, but no one is shot, I can assure you that people making "ha-ha" about it on a public forum will not make you or them feel any better about it.

It was just my opinion that making light of the situation was out of line based on personal experience. Sorry if that upset so many of you. I'm done with this thread.

 

[unkadug]

Hi ######, I won't stoop to calling you a name. Let me explain how it works. Humor is relative. What may be funny to you, may not be funny to others based on personal experience. It's obvious you, nor your family have ever been the victim of a crime at gunpoint or you wouldn't be making such outlandish statements. It is not something I would wish on anyone. Just because no one was shot, doesn't mean there will not be short or long lasting emotional damage to the victim. So, god forbid it happens, and you, your wife, daughter, son, other family member is robbed with a gun pointed at their head, but no one is shot, I can assure you that people making "ha-ha" about it on a public forum will not make you or them feel any better about it.

It was just my opinion that making light of the situation was out of line based on personal experience. Sorry if that upset so many of you. I'm done with this thread.

You may be overreacting....did you not get that the person who said what offended you so deeply is a police officer?

Calm down dude.

 

[El Grupo]

I took just a few moments to scan the posts in this thread.

Wow!

Thank you all for the Sunday afternoon entertainment.

 

[EOD K9]

Wow folks. The problem with crime is that we (the police) cannot be everywhere as much as we strive to. When there is little to no crime in an area, the powers that be don't have us patrol as heavily in that section. Once the crimes take place, then we flood the area, crime is reduced and then people become complacent again. Some people in the affected area will continue to keep their heads on a swivel, but the status quo eventually will return. If it happened on Disney's property, they would do well to add extra lights and more vehicular patrols. They can also ask their "Disney Deputies" to increase the frequency of said patrols.
Now, I believe this thread was about two unfortunate CMs getting robbed. Lets get back on the topic of finding out if they are ok and what/will the Company do about it. Casting blame on the CMs for their phones, plans, cars, etc is not something we need to be discussing on here. And nobody better tell me just to skip the thread if I don't want to read about it. Have a Magical Day!!

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Occam's razor

I use Gillette.

 

[BigTxEars]

Wow folks. The problem with crime is that we (the police) cannot be everywhere as much as we strive to. When there is little to no crime in an area, the powers that be don't have us patrol as heavily in that section. Once the crimes take place, then we flood the area, crime is reduced and then people become complacent again. Some people in the affected area will continue to keep their heads on a swivel, but the status quo eventually will return. If it happened on Disney's property, they would do well to add extra lights and more vehicular patrols. They can also ask their "Disney Deputies" to increase the frequency of said patrols.
Now, I believe this thread was about two unfortunate CMs getting robbed. Lets get back on the topic of finding out if they are ok and what/will the Company do about it. Casting blame on the CMs for their phones, plans, cars, etc is not something we need to be discussing on here. And nobody better tell me just to skip the thread if I don't want to read about it. Have a Magical Day!!

I don't think any of us should be trying to limit what can and can not be posted in relation to a topic under debate. That would destroy the entire purpose of the debate wouldn't it? I would suggest if you don't like this thread or any others to not bother reading it, it's no different than clicking thru TV channels, don't like the show move on, like it then stay there and get involved

As far as the CMs they appear to be unharmed, at least the media did not relate any injuries. You know the media would have, violence seems to improve ratings on the news. I am sure Disney is deciding what if anything they should do in regards to this issue as far as security increases.

 

[unkadug]

Wow folks. The problem with crime is that we (the police) cannot be everywhere as much as we strive to. When there is little to no crime in an area, the powers that be don't have us patrol as heavily in that section. Once the crimes take place, then we flood the area, crime is reduced and then people become complacent again. Some people in the affected area will continue to keep their heads on a swivel, but the status quo eventually will return. If it happened on Disney's property, they would do well to add extra lights and more vehicular patrols. They can also ask their "Disney Deputies" to increase the frequency of said patrols.
Now, I believe this thread was about two unfortunate CMs getting robbed. Lets get back on the topic of finding out if they are ok and what/will the Company do about it. Casting blame on the CMs for their phones, plans, cars, etc is not something we need to be discussing on here. And nobody better tell me just to skip the thread if I don't want to read about it. Have a Magical Day!!

I still blame the cell phone mentality.

Don't you agree that people need to be vigilant in their awareness of their surroundings. Being glued to your cellphone is a mugging waiting to happen.

 

[BigTxEars]

I still blame the cell phone mentality.

Don't you agree that people need to be vigilant in their awareness of their surroundings. Being glued to your cellphone is a mugging waiting to happen.

It can't help with awareness that is for certain. Seeing people almost walk into walls when they are talking on their phone speaks to their awareness level. Seems to me if I were a thief I would prefer my victim to be unaware until the last second.

And I AM NOT saying that being on a cell phone means anybody deserves to be a victim. Just that we all have a personal responsibility to protect ourselves, cell phones can certainly help in that regard or hinder it. I do not even know if these young CMs were on their phones, just got off or whatever. But as a general comment younger folks seem to get almost sucked into their phone screens at times.

 

[Cesar R M]

Like I said if there is a record of this occurring in the past (which by the mere fact that it made the news, and where no previous issues were mentioned shows me it is not a common occurrence) then Disney has liability, otherwise they do not.

Agree there!

What does "simple works wonder" mean?

Simpler as in better, clearer..faster to understand..etc..etc..

Some people make huge walls of text that could be explained with a simple small line.
And most of them do it due of vocabulary, education or even to confuse the reader.

You may be overreacting....did you not get that the person who said what offended you so deeply is a police officer?

Calm down dude.

I still find it interested that many people are now (sorry to say the word...) over puss fied(self censor I do not want to get called again). Lately people get "Offended" over absolutely anything.
I could say my opinion about politics and this person will claim it "triggers her" something.
Sites like Tumblr.com now lash very hard to anyone who might have the minimal negative opinion on a lot of subjects.. they OVERREACT because they feel entitled about the importance of THEM BEING OFFENDED.

Also, many people USE JOKES and COMEDY as a way to scape the fear or stress something/someone/or an event that causes them.
I sure as hell have joked a lot when one of my parents died.. it doesn't mean "HEY EVERYONE! I DO WANT TO OFFEND SOMEONE".

Wow folks. The problem with crime is that we (the police) cannot be everywhere as much as we strive to. When there is little to no crime in an area, the powers that be don't have us patrol as heavily in that section. Once the crimes take place, then we flood the area, crime is reduced and then people become complacent again. Some people in the affected area will continue to keep their heads on a swivel, but the status quo eventually will return. If it happened on Disney's property, they would do well to add extra lights and more vehicular patrols. They can also ask their "Disney Deputies" to increase the frequency of said patrols.
Now, I believe this thread was about two unfortunate CMs getting robbed. Lets get back on the topic of finding out if they are ok and what/will the Company do about it. Casting blame on the CMs for their phones, plans, cars, etc is not something we need to be discussing on here. And nobody better tell me just to skip the thread if I don't want to read about it. Have a Magical Day!!

Agree with you!

I still blame the cell phone mentality.

Don't you agree that people need to be vigilant in their awareness of their surroundings. Being glued to your cellphone is a mugging waiting to happen.

Regardless of having a phone or not.. what else could they do?
Do you know the full information? the position of the people? the position of the thieves?
Were the thieves hiding? Were the thieves acting like other normal CMs/people?

Blaming again the phone is honestly a VERY DUMB THING TO DO.
If the thieves were very concentrated and wanted to steal AT ALL COSTS.. they would do it regardless if the CMs had their phones out or not.
Some thieves might run if they get surprised others might react violently. (Remember that one of them had a GUN!)

Also...The thieves might have even ambushed them by hiding near cars or just walking casual.
Noone expects to be a victim of thieves until they GET mugged. (unless of course you're dumb and you're walking at 3:00 am in the worst places of destroit or Mexico city)

So please, stop blaming the "hey.. they had phones.. they are guilty!".
and honestly, your line with "Being glued to a cellphone is a mugging to happen" is one of the (sorry to say ) dumbest blame shifting I've ever read/seen.

 

[unkadug]

Regardless of having a phone or not.. what else could they do?
Do you know the full information? the position of the people? the position of the thieves?
Were the thieves hiding? Were the thieves acting like other normal CMs/people?

Blaming again the phone is honestly a VERY DUMB THING TO DO.
If the thieves were very concentrated and wanted to steal AT ALL COSTS.. they would do it regardless if the CMs had their phones out or not.
Some thieves might run if they get surprised others might react violently. (Remember that one of them had a GUN!)

Also...The thieves might have even ambushed them by hiding near cars or just walking casual.
Noone expects to be a victim of thieves until they GET mugged. (unless of course you're dumb and you're walking at 3:00 am in the worst places of destroit or Mexico city)

So please, stop blaming the "hey.. they had phones.. they are guilty!".
and honestly, your line with "Being glued to a cellphone is a mugging to happen" is one of the (sorry to say ) dumbest blame shifting I've ever read/seen.

You totally skipped over the one key word...."Mentality"

I am not blaming the phone. I have no idea if they were on their phone or not. I do blame the cell phone MENTALITY of being unaware of everything except for your cellphone.

Being glued to your cellphone IS a mugging waiting to happen if your are in the wrong place.

 

[Tigger1988]

Being glued to your cellphone is a mugging waiting to happen.

Just as silly as the logic of "Well she was wearing tight jeans, she was asking for it!" Victim blaming, is victim blaming.

Where does it end? Is a woman carrying a purse a mugging waiting to happen? She probably has a phone and money in there!!

 

[unkadug]

Just as silly as the logic of "Well she was wearing tight jeans, she was asking for it!" Victim blaming, is victim blaming.

Where does it end? Is a woman carrying a purse a mugging waiting to happen? She probably has a phone and money in there!!

Let me guess...you are glued to your cell phone right now aren't you?

You are missing the point also....It's about the mentality not the use of the phone.

Pay attention please.

 

[Cesar R M]

You totally skipped over the one key word...."Mentality"

I am not blaming the phone. I have no idea if they were on their phone or not. I do blame the cell phone MENTALITY of being unaware of everything except for your cellphone.

Being glued to your cellphone IS a mugging waiting to happen if your are in the wrong place.

Were they "IN THE WRONG PLACE" according to your very special and cherrypicked opinions?

Your excuses sounds almost as bad as the "She was asking for it" rapists excuse when someone gets raped for using certain clothing (or any accessory)

Second.. as this been confirmed? that BOTH were GLUED to their phones when they got mugged?
Like I said there are many things NOONE KNOWS of the mugging.. but you're already pointing and claiming all the fault is due of the phones.
You're sounding VERY ILLOGICAL right now.

also, did BOTH muggings happened due of phones according to you?
Where both "in the wrong place" ?

Just as silly as the logic of "Well she was wearing tight jeans, she was asking for it!" Victim blaming, is victim blaming.

Where does it end? Is a woman carrying a purse a mugging waiting to happen? She probably has a phone and money in there!!

Agree!

Also Like I said, we do not know how the thing happened step by step.
The thieves might have been just "casual guys walking around" until they got close to the CMs and pulled a gun.
this could happen regardless if you're "GLUED TO A PHONE" or not.

Let me guess...you are glued to your cell phone right now aren't you?

You are missing the point also....It's about the mentality not the use of the phone.

Pay attention please.

you're sounding like a total utter moron at this point.
Now you're lashing @Tigger1988 and even inventing that "she is glued to the phone" to try to discredit @Tigger1988 's opinion?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU TODAY @unkadug ???

 

[unkadug]

Good God dude.. You are taking what I said completely out of context.

I never said they were glued to their phones.

I am not blaming anyone for what happened, just watch people anyday of the week bumping into each other because they are completely unaware of their surroundings.

If you happen to be in the wrong place then you just might get mugged.

Please go back and read what I ACTUALLY SAID ...and quit putting words in my mouth.

 

[englanddg]

I know it was a typo, but from now on I am going to call Detroit "destroit"

Too funny!

 

[BigTxEars]

If someone walks around unaware of what is going on around them they do indeed open themselves up to a more likely chance of being a victim of crime, getting hit by a car as they cross the street, falling in a open manhole, slipping on a banana peel or walling face first into a light post. Does not mean they deserve or were asking for any of that, just that their chances increase. No ideal what these two CMs were or were not doing that night. But a lot of kids today (at least around here) are so buried in their phone screens they have no ideal what is going on around them. I don't think it wrong to point that out.

I look both ways when crossing the street, I do the same things as I walk thru situations where I feel danger may be present. I don't think that is bad advice to offer.

 

[BigTxEars]

I know it was a typo, but from now on I am going to call Detroit "destroit"

Too funny!

That is funny