Disney workers robbed leaving work at the cast member parking lot at MK

[unkadug]

If someone walks around unaware of what is going on around them they do indeed open themselves up to a more likely chance of being a victim of crime, getting hit by a car as they cross the street, falling in a open manhole, slipping on a banana peel or walling face first into a light post. Does not mean they deserve or were asking for any of that, just that their chances increase. No ideal what these two CMs were or were not doing that night. But a lot of kids today (at least around here) are so buried in their phone screens they have no ideal what is going on around them. I don't think it wrong to point that out.

I look both ways when crossing the street, I do the same things as I walk thru situations where I feel danger may be present. I don't think that is bad advice to offer.

Thank you....you understand what I am saying and are not putting words in my mouth.

Now be prepared for the onslaught of name calling which will now commence.

 

[TP2000]

While I don't think that Disney necessarily has a liability here, it would be smart from a PR standpoint for them to do what they can to make their CM's feel a little more secure at this point. Maybe increased lighting in the parking lot and a small bump in increased security around that lot would do the trick. Many times, employees can tolerate a lot more, even suffering lower wages than they would like, if they feel like their company cares about them.

Exactly.

At the start of this thread, we didn't have a lot of information. We have much more information now. And I think Disney has a situation they simply must address.

(Initially I had thought these muggings couldn't have taken place on Disney property inside the lot because SURELY the lot was fenced and security controlled. It's NOT a fenced lot?!? What is TDO thinking in such a high crime area?!?)

There needs to be fencing put up ASAP around this CM parking lot, and a dedicated entry/exit point staffed by Disney security to check and electronically scan employee ID's before allowing entry. That would go a very long way in helping to keep criminals out of the lots to mug kids walking to their cars at the end of their shifts.

The fence and security perimeter is the bare minimum Disney must do to protect their CM's when they are on Disney property. But TDO could also take this a step further and provide public safety information to their CM's to help them live safer lives in the real world they live in beyond the pixie dust. Orlando metro has a very serious crime problem, and it seeps into every corner of the community from upscale towns like Windermere, to rough neighborhoods in Parramore or downtown, to Cast Member parking lots behind the Magic Kingdom.

Disney could be doing a better job in educating their employees on how to act and behave when out in public to prepare them for the very real environment these CM's live in around greater Orlando.

 

[unkadug]

you're sounding like a total utter moron at this point
Now you're lashing @Tigger1988 and even inventing that "she is glued to the phone" to try to discredit @Tigger1988 's opinion?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU TODAY @unkadug ???

Actually I think your posts are pretty moronic since you can't seem to comprehend English at this point.
I am done with this thread and I am done with @Cesar R M

 

[Cesar R M]

I know it was a typo, but from now on I am going to call Detroit "destroit"

Too funny!

Yikes sorry for the mistake D:
I sometimes miss the red words in my autodictionary due of names and special words = not always fixed correctly.

If someone walks around unaware of what is going on around them they do indeed open themselves up to a more likely chance of being a victim of crime, getting hit by a car as they cross the street, falling in a open manhole, slipping on a banana peel or walling face first into a light post. Does not mean they deserve or were asking for any of that, just that their chances increase. No ideal what these two CMs were or were not doing that night. But a lot of kids today (at least around here) are so buried in their phone screens they have no ideal what is going on around them. I don't think it wrong to point that out.

I look both ways when crossing the street, I do the same things as I walk thru situations where I feel danger may be present. I don't think that is bad advice to offer.

I agree in your case of people walking unaware on their surroundings.
But where these people really like that? We do not know, People are assuming too much based on the small information that is around.
But honestly, sounded a lot like stereotyping... "oh dumb kids being blind due of playing angry birds on their phone!".

Like I said, they could have been ambushed or hiding behind a car, a corner..etc..
It would have happened regardless if they were on their phones or not.
Worse if the zone is as dark as I imagine.

Good God dude.. You are taking what I said completely out of context.

I never said they were glued to their phones.

I am not blaming anyone for what happened, just watch people anyday of the week bumping into each other because they are completely unaware of their surroundings.

If you happen to be in the wrong place then you just might get mugged.

Please go back and read what I ACTUALLY SAID ...and quit putting words in my mouth.

hilarity is, you keep pushing the "I never said they were glued to the phones" yet you insult @tiger1988 with the same thing.

And id love to know how "Cell phone mentality.. when someone is focused 100% on their phones and not their surrounds" is different than the other word of "glued to their phones".
They are inherently similar in value.
Almost feels like you're doing your best to get away from a horrible miswording you did.

Also, before I get blamed more.. I never took "glued to their phones" in the literal sense, but in the same meaning as "being completely concentrated on the phone to ignore their surroundings".

Actually I think your posts are pretty moronic since you can't seem to comprehend English at this point.
I am done with this thread and I am done with @Cesar R M

Fine.
I hope someday you stop blaming people people who dont deserve such blame when they are the victims.
Or blaming others when you make mistakes (like you claiming I'm the moron one, when you keep pushing your skewed opinion on everyone).

And the saddest thing is, I actually had a good opinion on you until you started your barrage of finger pointing.
It seems it requires a strong opinionated thread to know what people are really behind their "nice guy" masks. (just like many liars claiming to be "insiders" have been caught)

Good luck in whatever thing you do in the future.

 

[unkadug]

Fine.
I hope someday you stop blaming people people who dont deserve such blame when they are the victims.
Or blaming others when you make mistakes (like you claiming I'm the moron one, when you keep pushing your skewed opinion on everyone).

And the saddest thing is, I actually had a good opinion on you until you started your barrage of finger pointing.
It seems it requires a strong opinionated thread to know what people are really behind their "nice guy" masks. (just like many liars claiming to be "insiders" have been caught)

Good luck in whatever thing you do in the future.

You obviously never read my posts that you continue to say that I have said things that I have NEVER said.

I have never blamed the victims, I have never pointed fingers...show me where I said that....oh that's right you can't because I never said that.

You don't understand what I am saying and have started a witch hunt to discredit me. So be it....

 

[Cesar R M]

You obviously never read my posts that you continue to say that I have said things that I have NEVER said.

I have never blamed the victims, I have never pointed fingers...show me where I said that....oh that's right you can't because I never said that.

You don't understand what I am saying and have started a witch hunt to discredit me. So be it....

Not a Witchhunt, I just say you're attacking the wrong thing. aka "blame shifting".

Heres some points you said:

Don't you agree that people need to be vigilant in their awareness of their surroundings. Being glued to your cellphone is a mugging waiting to happen.

Let me guess...you are glued to your cell phone right now

Not only you said these.. but you also directed towards tigger1988 who had a very valid opinion on a well proven case of victim blaming.

bonus points for claiming "I never read your posts".
Considering we have discussed many things in more than one forum thread on this forum.. I find laughable you pull that immature stunt to shift all your blame to me.

Please GO.. leave, you already said you were leaving.. you hate me.. I understand, put me on ignore since you hate me so much!
Blasting on me again to make yourself feel better MIGHT work, but will not make you any better... specially after pulling that annoying "I AM THE VICTIM!" maneouver.

but Remember, I did not went to insult 2 people just to try to prove my point (and I mean your uncalled rant at @Tigger1988 ).

And if there was some hardcore misunderstanding, id love to have a third party middle instance that can find a level ground to resolve this in a mature way, something that can happen with insults, namecalling, dramatic stunts or other things happening.

 

[Nemo14]

If I could just step in here for a minute...
I think what unkadug was saying was not meant to accuse the victims of this crime, but rather to call attention to the fact that people in general have become less vigilant about the world around them.

 

[unkadug]

I stand by what I said 100%.

Think what you will of me as it makes no difference in the long run.

I made a blanket statement that you seem ignore half of and to apply the last half to the victims...If someone is so out of touch with reality that they have no concept of their surroundings then bad things are likely to happen to them.

I didn't apply this statement to the victims.....you did.

 

[UncleMike101]

I swore when I retired I wouldn't get involved in another Domestic dispute.
Since this thread has devolved into a "You said, He said, I said", I guess I'll just sit this one out.

 

[Cesar R M]

If I could just step in here for a minute...
I think what unkadug was saying was not meant to accuse the victims of this crime, but rather to call attention to the fact that people in general have become less vigilant about the world around them.

It would have been very easy to make this clear. Just like you just did.

but he kept using the word "Being glued to your cellphone is a mugging waiting to happen." or variants of it.

 

[BigTxEars]

1. The CMS

If I could just step in here for a minute...
I think what unkadug was saying was not meant to accuse the victims of this crime, but rather to call attention to the fact that people in general have become less vigilant about the world around them.

I agree that was the point being made, and it's true. I do not think saying people need to pay attention to their surrondings and actions is the same as saying they get what they deserved if they don't. Using the cell phone example I don't think people texting and driving should drive into a tree, but I know they increase their chances to do so by texting and driving. What on Earth is wrong with saying that even after a accident occurs? It could just prevent it from happening again, even once.

 

[unkadug]

It would have been very easy to make this clear. Just like you just did.

but he kept using the word "Being glued to your cellphone is a mugging waiting to happen." or variants of it.

You kept on ignoring the preceding statements. You cannot take things out of context.

That has been my issue with you this whole time....you pick and choose what you want to argue about instead of reading the whole post.

 

[BigTxEars]

It would have been very easy to make this clear. Just like you just did.

but he kept using the word "Being glued to your cellphone is a mugging waiting to happen." or variants of it.

How about "Being glued to your cellphone is a increased chance of a mugging waiting to happen" ?

I would think that statement is 100% accurate, crimnials like unaware victims as it makes their job easier. It's not placing blame on the crime victim just pointing out their actions increased their chances of being a victim. To me it's not a insult or accusation, it's a truth of the real world we live in.

 

[Nemo14]

It would have been very easy to make this clear. Just like you just did.

but he kept using the word "Being glued to your cellphone is a mugging waiting to happen." or variants of it.

You kept on ignoring the preceding statements. You cannot take things out of context.

That has been my issue with you this whole time....you pick and choose what you want to argue about instead of reading the whole post.

Perhaps you both kind of fanned the fire, but I think its abundantly clear that no one here is blaming these 2 CM's for what happened to them.

 

[unkadug]

I think this needs to be posted again:

 

[BigTxEars]

I think this needs to be posted again:

View attachment 50510

Oh man one single banana peel and their all down for the count!

And is there anyone on here who thinks that if they are walked headlong into a light post that would not be a epic video to watch

 

[Cesar R M]

How about "Being glued to your cellphone is a increased chance of a mugging waiting to happen" ?

I would think that statement is 100% accurate, crimnials like unaware victims as it makes their job easier. It's not placing blame on the crime victim just pointing out their actions increased their chances of being a victim. To me it's not a insult or accusation, it's a truth of the real world we live in.

That is even more accurate , but id remove the "waiting to happen".

As muggings might occur regardless if you have a phone, distracted by it( or anything else) or not... specially if the Thief is armed.

I think this needs to be posted again:

View attachment 50510

http://i.imgur.com/2qVBh9Q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AAZToD8.jpg

These apocalypses happened before, people survived

In other news, I think its time we talk like the mature adults we are in an adult conversation.

 

[BigTxEars]

That is even more accurate , but id remove the "waiting to happen".

As muggings might occur regardless if you have a phone, distracted by it( or anything else) or not... specially if the Thief is armed.

http://i.imgur.com/2qVBh9Q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AAZToD8.jpg

These apocalypses happened before, people survived

But they are sitting, not walking, not driving the train. They are not placing themselves in any danger by reading those papers. I remember the days before cell phones, I never saw anyone driving and reading a newspaper. I certainly don't remember seeing people attached to their newspaper 24 hours a day

Crime can occur regardless no doubt, I am just not a fan of doing things to help the criminal is all. I am very observant as I walk in areas where I get that "feeling" I need to be on guard.

 

[Cesar R M]

But they are sitting, not walking, not driving the train. They are not placing themselves in any danger by reading those papers. I remember the days before cell phones, I never saw anyone driving and reading a newspaper. I certainly don't remember seeing people attached to their newspaper 24 hours a day

(ps, check the other links I put below the first image)

Crime can occur regardless no doubt, I am just not a fan of doing things to help the criminal is all. I am very observant as I walk in areas where I get that "feeling" I need to be on guard.

Agree, but there are still way too many variables to think how "be on alert" will work 100% of the time.
Hell it even might be worse in some cases I can imagine.
Start running, the guy gets scared and shots... now you end with 2 dead CMs and a Murderer on the lose.

The guy(the thief) could also be walking like an everyday guy walking in the street, then when very close.. he pulled the gun and got the "give me all you have" .

Variables variables!

(edited to fix typoo)

 

[BigTxEars]

(ps, check the other links I put below the first image)


Agree, but there are still way too many variables to think how "be on alert" will work 100% of the time.
Hell it even might be worse in some cases I can imagine.
Start running, the guy gets scared and shots... now you end with 2 dead CMs and a Murdered on the lose.

The guy(the thief) could also be walking like an everyday guy walking in the street, then when very close.. he pulled the gun and got the "give me all you have" .

Variables variables!

No doubt, but I still like to know who is walking up to me. I still turn around and look when someone walks up behind me. I just would not be as vigilant if I was buried in my phone, a hand help video game or book etc.

As far as the scumbag shooting if you run, that (run, resist or comply) is something to be judge in each situration I think. Many folks here (and in Florida) carry concealed handguns for that very reason. One of the fundamental concepts of carrying a concealed handgun for protection is that one always needs to be observent of their surroundings. In fact see below, I think a phone in the face puts you at white, I rather be at yellow at least.

The Color Code System of Awareness
So what is the color code system of awareness? Simply, it is 5 states of readiness. They are:

• White - unaware, not paying attention

• Yellow - attentive, but relaxed

• Orange - focus is directed, there is an immediate potential threat

• Red - there is a definitive threat

• Black - you are actively fighting

http://www.self-defense-mind-body-spirit.com/awareness.html