Disney workers robbed leaving work at the cast member parking lot at MK

[Walt is angry]

BTW, BigTxEars, you're fun to discuss things with. I can appreciate others POV and you handle yourself well.

 

[BigTxEars]

About this your absolutely correct. We have no way of reasonably ascertaining how Walt would feel about these life and times in the 21st century, per se. But Walt was a dreamer, not a business man. He wanted to make money to be sure, but that was never what drove him. These are facts that can be easily discerned. He believed that a quality product would bring him success so he never worried about failure (Roy did).

But back to our other disagreements, we fundamentally disagree. I pay my employees far more than my competitors and I make marginally less (I believe) than they do. But I have loyalty and I never worry about my employees dropping the ball and my future is bright while they always have to worry about turnover, shoddy work, etc. I make a bit less but sleep very well at night.

Regarding taxes. I pay because it's a privilege to live in the greatest country on earth and while things are far from perfect they are a damn sight better than anywhere else. Taxes? So what. If I hated them I'd move.

Andrew C. Not sure what you are referencing but Pandora, for now, has the chance to put Disney back on the imaginative map. Something they've not had in while. But perhaps I'm missing a Walt inference?

I am fine with paying my share of taxes, even if I do not always agree with the way they are used. I just think the ideal that the tax rate is progressive makes no sense, I do not think success should be penalized. But I am pretty sure you and I are going to change that on here!

I think Disney is very imagitive today, and they are sinking tons of money into the parks to improve them. Maybe not to everyones approval but I think they are making some great choices. I can only imagine how Walt would tour the parks today and what he would think. But I am a bit biased because I am 63 days out!

 

[BigTxEars]

BTW, BigTxEars, you're fun to discuss things with. I can appreciate others POV and you handle yourself well.

Thanks.

 

[PhotoDave219]

I cannot believe the amount of victim blaming is going on here.

Two people get mugged and you want to blame them?

 

[TP2000]

Again, WDW is not in or even near metro Orlando. Have you ever even been to Walt Disney World.

I've been to WDW many, many, many times since the early 1980's. I've seen Orlando go through huge changes. These muggings are unfortunately part of those changes.

I may be using a term that isn't known in your part of the country, but when I use the phrase "metro area" I'm referring to the greater Orlando area, not just the land within city limits. According to Google maps, this intersection where the muggings took place at the corner of Center Drive and Mears Road is about two miles from the Orlando city limits border.

The town of Windermere proper is north of Lake Butler five miles north of this employee parking lot, and this parking lot appears well beyond Windermere city limits on any map I've found; but if this apartment complex uses Windermere police and public services (not unusual in these types of communities) then we can call it Windermere. Windermere is a very, very small town though, with only 2,600 residents. I can't imagine their police department is big enough, nor cares enough to check on apartments five miles south of town on the edge of Disney property.

Metro Orlando has a very big crime problem, no matter which intersection you are at or which unincorporated patch of county land you may live on. And WDW is part of the metro Orlando area, whether Disney admits it or not.

 

[BigTxEars]

I cannot believe the amount of victim blaming is going on here.

Two people get mugged and you want to blame them?

I see it as not blaming WDW, as some others seem too want to do. But I agree it can appear that the victims are being blamed. Not my intention certainly, sorry if it came across that way.

 

[FireChiefGoofy]

I've been to WDW many, many, many times since the early 1980's. I've seen Orlando go through huge changes. These muggings are unfortunately part of those changes.

I may be using a term that isn't known in your part of the country, but when I use the phrase "metro area" I'm referring to the greater Orlando area, not just the land within city limits. According to Google maps, this intersection where the muggings took place at the corner of Center Drive and Mears Road is about two miles from the Orlando city limits border.

The town of Windermere proper is north of Lake Butler five miles north of this employee parking lot, and this parking lot appears well beyond Windermere city limits on any map I've found; but if this apartment complex uses Windermere police and public services (not unusual in these types of communities) then we can call it Windermere. Windermere is a very, very small town though, with only 2,600 residents. I can't imagine their police department is big enough, nor cares enough to check on apartments five miles south of town on the edge of Disney property.

Metro Orlando has a very big crime problem, no matter which intersection you are at or which unincorporated patch of county land you may live on. And WDW is part of the metro Orlando area, whether Disney admits it or not.

A Windermere police officer was also shot and killed by two teens last week. The crime is getting pretty bad in Orange County which is why we moved from Orlando to Clermont.

 

[TP2000]

I cannot believe the amount of victim blaming is going on here.

Two people get mugged and you want to blame them?

I'm not blaming the victims, I'm blaming the company they work for.

If in fact the first mugging took place on Disney property inside an employee parking lot, then that's Disney's fault. The news report didn't make it seem that way, but if that's what happened then Disney is to blame. Are there no fences surrounding this lot? Is it just open access from the sidewalk and anyone can enter the lot without passing a security checkpoint?

But if the muggings took place off Disney property, even if it's just 10 feet beyond the parking lot but on a public street, then I don't think Disney can be held accountable for the crimes.

However, what I am saying, is that Disney should be doing more to prepare their employees who are living in a city with one of the highest crime rates in the country, per capita. Greater Orlando; Orlando, Kissimmee, Sanford, etc. all have very high crime rates, and that's where the Disney CM's live. Perhaps Disney could train the CM's on not walking alone late at night, not carrying valuables with them late at night, etc., etc.? There are services and support a company could provide to keep their employees safer once they leave company property. It seems Disney has an opportunity to offer that to the CM's.

It would also seem that it's time for Disney to buy some chain link fence to surround the employee parking lots with, too. But again, the news reports are kinda sketchy on exactly where the crimes took place.

 

[PhotoDave219]

I see it as not blaming WDW, as some others seem too want to do. But I agree it can appear that the victims are being blamed. Not my intention certainly, sorry if it came across that way.

Well… That's essentially what you were saying.

 

[TP2000]

A Windermere police officer was also shot and killed by two teens last week. The crime is getting pretty bad in Orange County which is why we moved from Orlando to Clermont.

That's terrible. In a small suburb of only 2,600 people like Windermere, that must have been horrible for the community.

 

[PhotoDave219]

I'm not blaming the victims, I'm blaming the company they work for.

If in fact the first mugging took place on Disney property inside an employee parking lot, then that's Disney's fault. The news report didn't make it seem that way, but if that's what happened then Disney is to blame. Are there no fences surrounding this lot? Is it just open access from the sidewalk and anyone can enter the lot without passing a security checkpoint?

But if the muggings took place off Disney property, even if it's just 10 feet beyond the parking lot but on a public street, then I don't think Disney can be held accountable for the crimes.

However, what I am saying, is that Disney should be doing more to prepare their employees who are living in a city with one of the highest crime rates in the country, per capita. Greater Orlando; Orlando, Kissimmee, Sanford, etc. all have very high crime rates, and that's where the Disney CM's live. Perhaps Disney could train the CM's on not walking alone late at night, not carrying valuables with them late at night, etc., etc.? There are services and support a company could provide to keep their employees safer once they leave company property. It seems Disney has an opportunity to offer that to the CM's.

It would also seem that it's time for Disney to buy some chain link fence to surround the employee parking lots with, too. But again, the news reports are kinda sketchy on exactly where the crimes took place.

Westclock is surrounded by chain-link fence.

 

[TP2000]

Westclock is surrounded by chain-link fence.

Wow. So this mugger scaled over the fence, or is the lot's security checkpoint where vehicles and pedestrians enter/exit ineffective or unstaffed?

 

[FireChiefGoofy]

That's terrible. In a small suburb of only 2,600 people like Windermere, that must have been horrible for the community.

It was. The officer was in his early 30s. It's a very expensive community. Lots of pro athletes, executives, and other big $. Senseless crime isn't limited to low income areas.

 

[TP2000]

It's a very expensive community. Lots of pro athletes, executives, and other big $. Senseless crime isn't limited to low income areas.

No, it certainly isn't. Which was also my point that the very high crime rates in the metro Orlando area seeps everywhere, not just one particular neighborhood or a notorious street.

 

[Mr Bill]

Wow. So this mugger scaled over the fence, or is the lot's security checkpoint where vehicles and pedestrians enter/exit ineffective or unstaffed?

There's no checkpoint. You can see one of the entrances on Google Maps here

 

[BigTxEars]

Like I

Well… That's essentially what you were saying.

Like I said that was not my intention. I put 100% of the blame on the scumbag theives, none on the victims or on WDW.

 

[TP2000]

There's no checkpoint. You can see one of the entrances on Google Maps here

Wow. There is quite clearly an opportunity for Disney to install some chain link fence at these employee lots.

 

[BigTxEars]

I'm not blaming the victims, I'm blaming the company they work for.

If in fact the first mugging took place on Disney property inside an employee parking lot, then that's Disney's fault. The news report didn't make it seem that way, but if that's what happened then Disney is to blame. Are there no fences surrounding this lot? Is it just open access from the sidewalk and anyone can enter the lot without passing a security checkpoint?

But if the muggings took place off Disney property, even if it's just 10 feet beyond the parking lot but on a public street, then I don't think Disney can be held accountable for the crimes.

However, what I am saying, is that Disney should be doing more to prepare their employees who are living in a city with one of the highest crime rates in the country, per capita. Greater Orlando; Orlando, Kissimmee, Sanford, etc. all have very high crime rates, and that's where the Disney CM's live. Perhaps Disney could train the CM's on not walking alone late at night, not carrying valuables with them late at night, etc., etc.? There are services and support a company could provide to keep their employees safer once they leave company property. It seems Disney has an opportunity to offer that to the CM's.

It would also seem that it's time for Disney to buy some chain link fence to surround the employee parking lots with, too. But again, the news reports are kinda sketchy on exactly where the crimes took place.

I agree with the fence on company property, but other than that it's not Disney's responsibility to shepherd their CMs after they clock out and leave property. Where do we draw the line, should Disney be responsible for training their CMs on making the correct financial decisions, to not do drugs, not to drink and drive, practice safe intimate relations or be wary of Nigerian scam emails? f Disney wants to offer classes then that is fine, but to expect them to as if it is their responsibility I think is wrong. I work for my company, they do not need to shelter me when I am not there, nor do I want them to.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Wow. There is quite clearly an opportunity for Disney to install some chain link fence at these employee lots.

There used to be a security booth that you had to show your ID to pass. It was removed in 2004 when each individual park got the pop-up gates.

I believe that they were paid for with homeland security grants. Same time they removed the security gate from the middle-of-the-road in front of Fort wilderness. (Also why it suddenly goes to three lanes inexplicably)

 

[EpcoTim]

I agree with the fence on company property, but other than that it's not Disney's responsibility to shepherd their CMs after they clock out and leave property. Where do we draw the line, should Disney be responsible for training their CMs on making the correct financial decisions, to not do drugs, not to drink and drive, practice safe intimate relations or be wary of Nigerian scam emails? f Disney wants to offer classes then that is fine, but to expect them to as if it is their responsibility I think is wrong. I work for my company, they do not need to shelter me when I am not there, nor do I want them to.

So if someone walked onto your job and shot you in the back while you walked to your car, that's your fault, right?