Disney Union Workers Rally for Better Pay

[roj2323]

So the question is.
Does Disney give bonuses and exceptional raises to those CMs who really put effort and bust their ?
or they all always stay the same?
Does the Manager eat these "exceptional performances" bonuses? similar to how many managers eat the praise that was for the guys below them?

I have a one inch binder full of great service fanatic and guest relations acknowledgements and never received anything for my efforts except for opportunities to move up. Performance is recognized by opportunities rather than pay. This has both positive and negative affects but it depends highly on your goals within your role and how your management team perceives you.

 

[The Crafty Veteran]

People do realize where the money is going to come from for any kind of potential wage increase?

 

[Matt_Black]

People do realize where the money is going to come from for any kind of potential wage increase?

In a perfect world, it would come from the executives' ridiculously high salaries, but then I've often been accused of being overly idealistic.

 

[Tom Morrow]

I have a one inch binder full of great service fanatic and guest relations acknowledgements and never received anything for my efforts except for opportunities to move up. Performance is recognized by opportunities rather than pay. This has both positive and negative affects but it depends highly on your goals within your role and how your management team perceives you.

For every cast member that actually gets promoted for their performance alone, there's 20 more who get nothing at all for it. There is very little incentive at WDW to go "above and beyond" in your job beyond simply if you happen to enjoy doing it.

"How your management team perceives you" = how much you are willing to kiss their butts, constantly brag about the good things you did, and tattle on your fellow co-workers. I know that this is hardly restricted to Disney, but still. It is pretty prominent at WDW because often your management team consists of multiple individuals who barely know you, if at all, and aren't around enough to actually observe your job performance. Not everyone is willing to subject themselves to this mentality.

 

[Matt_Black]

For every cast member that actually gets promoted for their performance alone, there's 20 more who get nothing at all for it. There is very little incentive at WDW to go "above and beyond" in your job beyond simply enjoying doing it.

"How your management team perceives you" = how much you are willing to kiss their butts, constantly brag about the good things you did, and tattle on your fellow co-workers. I know that this is hardly restricted to Disney, but still. Not everyone is willing to subject themselves to this mentality.

Indeed. Success SHOULD be as simple as "Work really hard, do a good job, and get rewarded", but it's not, sadly.

 

[The Crafty Veteran]

In a perfect world, it would come from the executives' ridiculously high salaries, but then I've often been accused of being overly idealistic.

Which executives have ridiculously high salaries? I find it hard to believe people in corporate positions of power who have been as successful as Bob Iger for example, don't deserve what he makes.

 

[Matt_Black]

Which executives have ridiculously high salaries? I find it hard to believe people in corporate positions of power who have been as successful as Bob Iger for example, don't deserve what he makes.

Not that they don't deserve to be fairly compensated, but this country on average has a ridiculously out-of-whack concept of what constitutes "fair". The ratio of executive to worker pay in Japan is something like 20:1; here in the States, it is something like 350:1, higher than any other industrialized nation.

 

[CDavid]

People do realize where the money is going to come from for any kind of potential wage increase?

Yes, the increased cost for employers will generally be passed along to the consumer. However, the amount of increase is nearly always grossly exaggerated. The very modest price increases which might be implemented do make a difference, admittedly, but there are also benefits to society and the taxpayer to higher wages for lower-income earners. Specifically, less demand for food stamps and other programs would reduce government expendatures, while higher wages give workers more money to spend (typically on consumer products).

 

[PhotoDave219]

Which executives have ridiculously high salaries? I find it hard to believe people in corporate positions of power who have been as successful as Bob Iger for example, don't deserve what he makes.

Bob Iger hasnt been ridiculously successful.

 

[wm49rs]

People do realize where the money is going to come from for any kind of potential wage increase?

The quarterly profits that TWDC advertises on a regular basis?

 

[natatomic]

For every cast member that actually gets promoted for their performance alone, there's 20 more who get nothing at all for it. There is very little incentive at WDW to go "above and beyond" in your job beyond simply if you happen to enjoy doing it.

"How your management team perceives you" = how much you are willing to kiss their butts, constantly brag about the good things you did, and tattle on your fellow co-workers. I know that this is hardly restricted to Disney, but still. It is pretty prominent at WDW because often your management team consists of multiple individuals who barely know you, if at all, and aren't around enough to actually observe your job performance. Not everyone is willing to subject themselves to this mentality.

This is pretty much true. My most common feedback (after "you're too black and white," because apparently I'm not supposed to enforce rules) is that I need to talk about myself more. I never thought modesty would be something to hold me back in life...

 

[Cesar R M]

The quarterly profits that TWDC advertises on a regular basis?

keep dreaming, they will probably have to cut more maintenance or increase ticket prices.
You dont want pesky workers to get in the disney wall strete index!

I wonder if Disney would go as bad as the protesting kids in wall street. (harassment via police..etc..)

 

[roj2323]

For every cast member that actually gets promoted for their performance alone, there's 20 more who get nothing at all for it. There is very little incentive at WDW to go "above and beyond" in your job beyond simply if you happen to enjoy doing it.

"How your management team perceives you" = how much you are willing to kiss their butts, constantly brag about the good things you did, and tattle on your fellow co-workers.

I agree with your first paragraph.

Your second paragraph is simply not accurate. I worked my butt off, helped others when I could and volunteered for jobs I personally enjoyed doing. There was ZERO butt kissing, just a true enjoyment of the job.

Yea the pay sucked and the hours were worse but I always had fun.

 

[Tom Morrow]

I agree with your first paragraph.

Your second paragraph is simply not accurate. I worked my butt off, helped others when I could and volunteered for jobs I personally enjoyed doing. There was ZERO butt kissing, just a true enjoyment of the job.

Yea the pay sucked and the hours were worse but I always had fun.

I believe you and I know it does happen, and I know not everyone that advances did so through playing the "game." On average though, hard work alone doesn't yield much for the typical CM. Again, I know this apples to any corporate setting, but its particularly prominent at WDW). It simply just doesn't get noticed. Or if it does get noticed, you get a pat on the back (pieces of paper that say "great job!")

 

[Lord_Vader]

In a perfect world, it would come from the executives' ridiculously high salaries, but then I've often been accused of being overly idealistic.

Yeah, that might work in a smaller company but in mine the entirety of our CEO's salary would only add about 2% to each employee so not nearly the impact many expect when the CEO is making $30M a year. Although I would prefer to get my 2% than him live the way he does but that is another discussion. My point is, look at the percentage a CEO makes compared to total payroll and not the multiplication factor of the average employee's salary.

BTW, CEO's of large companies are overpaid for what they do. By and large they are salespeople, convincing Wall St. to invest in their companies.

 

[psukardi]

BTW, CEO's of large companies are overpaid for what they do. By and large they are salespeople, convincing Wall St. to invest in their companies.

They also worked hard to get there, put in untold hours and have ulcers the size of basketballs in their stomach. And at the end of the day are responsible for the careers of tons of people. But sure, any Tom, Dick or Harry could come off the street and do it. Might as well let a janitor perform brain surgery too

 

[rael ramone]

People do realize where the money is going to come from for any kind of potential wage increase?

As I've posted before, the money to do so has already been provided by guests and the premium prices they pay for, along with other things, premium customer service. Maybe instead they can only repurchase 7 billion dollars worth shares of their own stock instead of 8 billion - but for some reason they think reinvesting in their workforce is somehow burning their money & repurchasing all those shares with a 21.7 P/E (for comparison, Apple after it's huge recent run is only at 15.5) somehow isn't.

 

[DisneyCane]

They also worked hard to get there, put in untold hours and have ulcers the size of basketballs in their stomach. And at the end of the day are responsible for the careers of tons of people. But sure, any Tom, Dick or Harry could come off the street and do it. Might as well let a janitor perform brain surgery too

Agree with your point 100%. The problem that happens in a lot of these discussions is that everybody thinks it is easy to run a company and that the executives got there by kissing rears.

When I was in high school and college, I worked in movie theatres. In college I was an assistant manager of a location. Us peons would always discuss what the company should do. We'd talk about the various equipment they should buy, how many payroll hours we needed to have, how much we should raise people's pay and the maintenance that should be done. WE had all the answers as to what would make our location (and the whole company) great.

Fast forward to when I got into movie theatre ownership years later. I discovered that all of these idealistic ideas don't work. I learned the hard way about the difficulties of cash flow management and budgeting. I learned of the countless decisions that needed to be made. I went into it wanting to implement my ideal vision that was formed as a peon. I got out of it realizing how the real business world works and how much stress is involved and the negative effects that stress had on my family.

Everybody wants to get paid more. The problem is that with jobs that don't require expertise or a high level of education and training, literally just about anybody is capable of doing the job. That means that there is a huge supply of potential employees and that each position is not worth much in wages. It doesn't mean that the person doing the job doesn't have "worth," it is just in an economic sense.

Finally, like somebody said above, Iger making $30 million to run Disney is not the same as if I ran a company with 200 employees and was making the same. The multiples need to be looked at as a ratio of executive pay to total non-executive payroll, not a multiple of the average pay. Of course, that doesn't play well in the media because it isn't a "shocking" figure.

 

[PrincessNelly_NJ]

People do realize where the money is going to come from for any kind of potential wage increase?

Or just lead to this...
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/port-orleans-to-test-self-check-in.885143/

 

[DisneyCane]

Or just lead to this...
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/port-orleans-to-test-self-check-in.885143/

Exactly! If productivity is increased (translated to less employees for the same revenue) then the remaining employees can be paid more.

For example see Southwest Airlines. Their work rules for flight attendants allow them to save on other staff. Therefore they can pay their flight attendants more than other airlines but the flight attendants have more job responsibilities.